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Topic: Romney Predicted To Win!
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Ami Anne
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posted August 24, 2012 06:32 PM
  
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Ami, I think this will be my last post to you today. There's no value in responding to obvious nonsense.YTA, no idea what you're trying to say with your post.
Well, you don't respond to Jwhop who gives you tons and tons of info. You want to go find Sheeple(MSM) info as an erroneous refutation.
If you don't understand that good man, you won't understand me, either, as I believe the same way.
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Randall
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posted August 24, 2012 06:58 PM
I said misinformed, not stupid. Big difference.IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted August 25, 2012 02:10 PM
yes, true. my bad. but if you read his post he doesn't sound like he hasn't been paying attention, does he? ie he is NOT uninformed. you have a tendency to dismiss those whose train of thought doesn't lead to the same place as yours. either they're lying, or they hate their country, or they are "uninformed" ie making snap judgments?IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 25, 2012 03:21 PM
Nope, that's your train of thought, not mine. I'm just saying, if you're going to write something supposedly factual, then get your facts straight. It takes away from the credibility of what he's conveying, but I suppose it wouldn't have the same impact if he wrote the truth (that there isn't bank secrecy any longer), which leads me to believe moreso that he is intentionally lying. I guess he hasn't heard of 911 or the war on terror.  And if he's being sincere, then that would make him misinformed, would it not? In fact, it's the very definition of the term. IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted August 25, 2012 04:49 PM
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As Newt Gingrich put it, “I don’t know of any American president who has had a Swiss bank account.” But Mitt Romney also has accounts in the tax havens of Luxembourg, Bermuda, and the Cayman Islands....Mitt's desire for secrecy is so great that one time he neglected to include a Swiss bank account on required financial disclosure forms.
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If Mitt loses [there is definitely a 25% chance that he might lose], it would be only because of this bizarre need for financial secrecy. What is he trying to hide? I hope he does not get blackmailed by a foreign power after winning, considering that he is hiding so much. The worst case situation is that he bet against the US dollar from a foreign account, or invested in a foreign hedge firm that made money by betting against the US Recovery. Will there be a Wiki-Leaks surprise in October about Mitt's money?Cannot wait till November. This could be the most important US election for a hundred years [ because the next President is the one who might make an official UFO Disclosure ], and the competitors just do'nt appear serious enough.
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AcousticGod
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posted August 25, 2012 05:50 PM
Randall, it is actually factual.
Your ideas about what the Patriot Act put into place are inaccurate. That act didn't close the foreign tax haven loophole. There has been an act since then that has endeavored to make shielding your personal wealth from taxes difficult. It's called FATCA, but it's implementation has been problematic.
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katatonic
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posted August 25, 2012 06:12 PM
well money-laundering and private offshore accounts are not my field of expertise, but one has to wonder why mitt has all those tax-haven accounts if they are not tax-havens and/or more private than you have been led to believe?i did find reference to one case in the turks&caicos islands banking system, where THEIR laws prohibit them forking over information to the US or anyone else. the US just went to their ONSHORE US bank/affiliate and slapped a fine on them of $100K per day that the requested info was not handed over. it took three days. so the govt CAN find ways of getting this information but it is not just hiding in plain daylight where it can be seen without a lot of arm-twisting... but again, why does mitt have all those offshore monies if they are not protecting him from official snoops? makes me wonder, and even if they are not strictly "secret" i don't think the gentleman above is necessarily wrong on all counts even if he IS wrong on that ONE. an awful lot of people are quick to call others liars these days, perhaps we should remember that one BIT of info being wrong does not mean the mistake is evidence of either lying or ignorance in general. in any case, even if the government knows all about mitt's activities, he is not interested in letting "you people" in on the facts. echo: what is HE hiding? he is running on his business record, but doesn't want any details aired; he is running on his Mass. governorship, but he isn't campaigning massachussetts or talking about that period; he is running on his "superior plan" but he won't talk about that either...and yet obama is accused of being a "cipher" because he doesn't publish his SCHOOL transcripts...? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 25, 2012 06:33 PM
These countries report to the IRS and other US agencies now if involving terrorism. They volunteered to do so, but still... ------------------
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katatonic
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posted August 25, 2012 06:41 PM
"if involving terrorism" excludes an awful lot of non-terrorist financial activity, wouldn't you say?no one has yet suggested that romney is a terrorist, just that he likes to keep his money safe from taxes outside the country... IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 25, 2012 06:55 PM
You're missing the point. These entities were strict privacy institutions. No exceptions. The real world effect is that if there is an investigation, it is a simple matter to get the records. It's just part of following the money trail of ill gotten gains. You don't have to be proved to be a terrorist. It's about conducting investigations. Of course, true that tax evasion isn't a terroristic activity. And most countries just consider that a form of political protest. So, it had better be a more serious charge than that...but still... IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 25, 2012 06:56 PM
And having offshore accounts isn't a crime. He can do anything he wants to with his money, as long as it isn't laundered.IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted August 25, 2012 07:03 PM
no one said it was a crime. however many people who don't send their money abroad for its education consider it a strange trait in a prospective president.what struck me most about this piece was what he said about the "taxing the job creators" concept...that if he gets a tax break, it is not going to inspire him to expand his business unless he sees consumer desire for such expansion...he will spend the extra money (or save it) on something he wouldn't have otherwise been able to afford, like a holiday, trip (or dressage horse?) which strikes me as more what the average businessman will do. he doesn't want to create more WORK for himself unless he has reason to believe it will improve his business or satisfy customer demand. but if NOT cutting the "creators'" taxes helps the AVERAGE CONSUMER to spend more money in his business, that is much more profitable to him. IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted August 26, 2012 05:56 AM
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And having offshore accounts isn't a crime. He can do anything he wants to with his money
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He will lose tons of Political Mileage if his investments are shown to be in countries like China, or in hedge funds that bet against USA.
It brings his patriotism under a cloud.
I recall Arnie getting a huge vote swing when he invested millions of his own cash to make "Terminator 3" in California than other cheaper areas.
If its discovered that Romney has not used the Bain Capital gains to create American jobs, but has made more money by a route where Americans lost more jobs, then its all over for him. There will be a wave of resentment at the rich guy who personally gained at an individual American's misery. This is mass psychology, the common folk will overlook Obama's economic gaffes because Obama did not personally mint money. He is just on a salary.
Mitt is not dumb, this is why he is hiding his tax records and financial secrets.I do not trust Obama as a leader who can positively affect the World but I cannot trust someone who can sell his Nation out for a greater percentage return for his investments. It is not a good time to be an American voter. Same situation in India too, both major parties are heavily corrupt. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 26, 2012 07:35 AM
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I do not trust Obama as a leader who can positively affect the World
Wise words, as always! I disagree about overseas investments, as due to O'Bomber, investing in overseas has become needed, as the US's investment possibilities are not like they used to be ime ------------------
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juniperb
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posted August 26, 2012 08:07 AM
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I do not trust Obama as a leader who can positively affect the World but I cannot trust someone who can sell his Nation out for a greater percentage return for his investments. It is not a good time to be an American voter. Same situation in India too, both major parties are heavily corrupt
In context , it`s the old damned if you do and damned if you don`t situtation .
Next president may admit to UFO`S ?
Wouldn`t that make a great campaign promise! It would assure electability 
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katatonic
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posted August 26, 2012 01:45 PM
juni, the president who admits to UFOs will probably use them as the threat of the decade to buy even MORE of our civil liberties "for our own protection".have you come across the schools that teach about the MER-KA-BA? they believe that there are no SOLID spaceships, but energetic ones...and according to the main author i have read, the government is perfectly capable of, and do, track them... IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted August 26, 2012 01:50 PM
Yes, I`m familiar with the Merkaba  Kinda off the path, but wasn`t there a president who said he looked forward to digging into the UFO business and then was disappointed to learn there was no info available to the president? ------------------
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katatonic
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posted August 26, 2012 01:57 PM
thought you might be. nothing much seems to get by you...  as to presidential info, i firmly believe that fuller was right when he said no president since 1970 has really been in a position to DO anything but tinker with the web that has been woven behind the scenes, by the corporate lawyers and their acquisition of all the structures built with taxpayer money. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted August 26, 2012 02:02 PM
I first became familiar with Merkaba in the book
Nothing in This Book Is True, But It's Exactly How Things Are ... by Bob Frissel. Good stuff in there  ------------------
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Randall
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posted August 26, 2012 05:31 PM
Have you read his second book?------------------
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juniperb
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posted August 26, 2012 06:44 PM
Yes, Something In this Book Is True as well as Flower of Life and You are a Spiritual Being. I always loved his interviews on Ancient Aliens too. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 26, 2012 07:33 PM
It is very interesting as to who and what are the aliens? ------------------
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juniperb
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posted August 26, 2012 07:37 PM
Enjoyed all the books BUT don`t take the Drunvalo Melchizedek's (sp?) channeling serious tho. I believe Bob is dead now  Sorry for derailing the thread ------------------
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