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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted August 31, 2012 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-08-31/israelis-say-un-report-strengthens-iran-warnings

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juniperb
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posted August 31, 2012 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The United States opposes Israeli strikes. The strain between Washington and its longtime Israeli ally has been on full display this month, with a top U.S. military officer, Gen. Martin Dempsey, twice speaking out against a go-it-alone strike, saying on Thursday he would "not want to be complicit" in such an assault.

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posted August 31, 2012 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Energy resources in Iran consist of the fourth largest oil reserves and the second largest natural gas reserves in the world.[1] Iran is an energy superpower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Iran


The Rise of the Washington Neocons:

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And their Middle East plan? The US establishes a reasonably democratic, pro-western government in Iraq. When Palestinians see Iraqis beginning to enjoy real freedom and economic opportunity [they'll] demand the Palestinian Authority reform politically and negotiate with Israel. A democratic Iraq will also hasten the fall of the fundamentalist Shia mullahs in Iran, whose citizens are gradually adopting anti-fanatic, pro-western sympathies. Jordan's pro-western Hashemite monarchy would likely come into full bloom. Syria would be no more than a pale reminder of the bad old days. (If they made trouble, a US invasion would take care of them, too). The corrupt regimes of Saudi Arabia and Egypt would [look like] holdouts against the democratic tide. We could decide whether to ignore them as harmless throwbacks to the old days or deal with them, too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/14/usa.theeditorpressreview

And since when did we just go abroad attacking all these countries that "threaten" us? Part of the answer is....

Analysis: Wolfowitz’s 1992 vision as 2002 U.S. Foreign Policy Reality http://pnac.info/2003/analysis-wolfowitzs-1992-vision-as-2002-us-foreign-policy-reality/

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posted August 31, 2012 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes we are the saviours of democracy, HOWEVER when a country asks us to LEAVE and let them practice democracy THEIR way, they are really benighted...

and when a country arranges a timeline for our leaving and our govt agrees with them, they are "pussyfooting around"...

mitt seems to think that one can break camp in a place like afghanistan in 24 hours, never mind the deals and promises we break, and the impossibility of carrying such an exit out overnight.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted August 31, 2012 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Make no mistake. The moment Israel strikes, Iran will launch cruise missiles against US aircraft carriers in the Straits of Hormuz. The US response will be swift and decisive. So don't think the US will not participate in this one even if it doesn't want to. Britain too.

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Ami Anne
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posted August 31, 2012 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peeps
Listen up.
Israel is the canary in the mine. If Israel is taken out( God forbid), they are coming after the US.
You can't appease them by throwing Israel at them. There is no appeasement. Wake up and smell the espresso, you foolish sleeping people.

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juniperb
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posted August 31, 2012 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Peeps
Listen up.
Israel is the canary in the mine. If Israel is taken out( God forbid), they are coming after the US.
All you sleeping fools, wake up and smell the espresso.


No one is a sleeping fool.

You said we paid too much attention to stoopid things like Iran

and to watch Obamas house of burning cards. Which is it?

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Trump tweeted: “What's more dangerous for the country--the Iranian nuclear threat or @BarackObama as President?”

your reply:

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I know. People are all up in arms about the stoopidist things and don't look at the real house of cards which is burning

I said:

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Really AA??

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad represents the Iranian Nuculear threat.

Ahmadinejad has called Israel's existence an "insult to all humanity", in one of his sharpest attacks yet on the Jewish state . As Israel openly debates whether to attack Iran ...

AFP via Yahoo! News - Aug 17 12:23pm
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told an annual anti-Israel protest in Tehran on Friday that the Jewish state was a "cancerous tumour" that will soon be excised


Ahmadinejad Calls for Annihilation

of Israel

Perhaps you are right tho,it is just stoopid to worry about that crazy Iranian threat to the free world.


To which you replied:

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See 2016 so you will know WHO O'Bomber is. Wake up and smell the coffee

Who is sleeping??

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Ami Anne
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posted September 01, 2012 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Israel is the canary in the mine. If you can't see that, that is your inability to see. I can't change that for you or anyone else.
Peace

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iQ
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posted September 01, 2012 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More than a dozen wise countries have counseled a superior Path ahead for Iran ion the last few days. Thus, Iran will never attack the USA even when provoked.

All they have to do is avoid a retaliation towards Israel should Israel unilaterally attack, and then it will be unlimited peace and prosperity for Iran as the rest of the World shows a middle finger to US imposed sanctions and does 100% open business with Iran. Also, Israel would then re-open themselves to karmic retribution [they were safe from this for decades because of the Holocaust], as it is Iran which would come under Jesus' Protection for showing the other cheek.

Iran might actually show their full Nuclear Program to neutral countries in the coming months, further isolating Israel for their desire to unilaterally attack Iran.

There is also a pending deal with China where China will attack Israel with nukes if Israel attacks Iran, in return for a generous portion of the Oil and Gas Reserves. This is well known in Israeli Military circles,which is why the military top brass is aghast at Bibi's madness.

Only some mad neocons want an Israel-Iran conflict, the Rest of the World has different plans, more oriented to lasting peace.

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posted September 01, 2012 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only some mad neocons want an Israel-Iran conflict, the Rest of the World has different plans, more oriented to lasting peace.


(This is to say I don`t count anyone posting here as the above)


A war is a horrendous thought and maybe time to focus more on peaceful solutions.

Hear that Iran and Israel?

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juniperb
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posted September 02, 2012 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I still pray for a peaceful resolve.


By Jeffrey Heller | Reuters – 6 hours ago


JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged world powers on Sunday to set a "clear red line" for Tehran's atomic programme that would convince Iran they were determined to prevent it from obtaining nuclear arms.

Netanyahu's remarks suggested a growing impatience with Israel's main ally, the United States, and other countries that have been pressing him to give diplomacy and sanctions more time to work and hold off on any go-it-alone strike on Iran.

Recent heightened Israeli rhetoric has stoked speculation that Israel might attack Iran before the U.S. elections in November, believing that President Barack Obama would give it military help and not risk alienating pro-Israeli voters.

"I believe the truth must be stated: The international community is not placing a clear red line for Iran and Iran does not see international resolve to stop its nuclear programme," Netanyahu told his cabinet.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-urges-international-red-lines-stop-iran-111903742.html

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iQ
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posted September 03, 2012 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bibi is a liar, there has been a very clear red line placed on the enrichment: No permission to enrich beyond 20%. 80% plus is needed for nuclear bombs. This is light years away IF they are still trying, which they are not.

There is definitely another red line the International Community can place, by limiting the total number of centrifuges. If Iran needs more enriched rods for nuclear power generation, it can purchase from China under international supervision.

As per International Law, Bibi also has to disclose the number of nuclear weapons in Israel's arsenal, and a clear red line to desist their production. There cannot be different rules for Israel and Iran. Iran has never attacked a democracy with missiles. Even Iraq under Saddam attacked Israel. Iran did not and will not, they have even called nuclear attacks a theological sin.

Bibi also has to explain the violation of Mordechai Vanunu's Human Rights. Any violator of a peaceful Jewish Individual's Human Rights after WW2 is no different from a Nazi. Vanunu is the brave Israeli Jew who blew the whistle on Israel's illegal nuclear weapons program.

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Lei_Kuei
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posted September 03, 2012 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only winner of a conflict in the Middle East is China, and to a lesser degree Russia

Scenario A:

If Israel Strike Iran, such would be a prelude to the US and Israel most likely occupying Iran, or at the very least establishing ground bases there in an effort to control its resources.

Scenario B:

If Iran Strike Israel (Even is its vaporized), The US would have a high probability that it will vaporize Iran. Such would be a prelude to the US most likely occupying Iran, or at the very least establishing ground bases there in an effort to control its resources.

If you think for 2 seconds that China will sit back and allow a US/Israel occupation of Iran, or just allow the US to have ground bases there forget it..!

China will turn the ENTIRE Middle East to glass (including Israel) before they would allow such.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China%E2%80%93Iran_relations

In which case, its likely the US will back off completely from the middle east and scramble whats left of its Military to the Pacific region, and all ground forces to its West Coast. Leaving Europe to fend for itself

US would not attempt to Nuke China. As they are overtly dependent on them for trade, nor will China nuke the US, just a new Cold War but this time on the West Coast

Anyways, just my opinion...


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iQ
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posted September 03, 2012 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spot on LK. Spot on.

The Neocons have no clue whatsoever about Chinese Excellence. The Chinese have fusion weapons and even Scalar Electromagnetic Weapons. The Chinese do not hush up information on UFOs. Did they get their own Roswell crash?
They have cornered 90% of all the new Rare Earth Metals mines discovered in Africa. This means the rest of the world will beg for rare earth metals for use in Plasma Tech, Space Communication and even future space missions. I bet 90% of the US Politicians do not even know where the rare earth elements start in a periodic table, leave alone have the savvy to identify and buyout such mines. Sadly, they cannot think beyond crude oil. Both parties.

One of the world's most brilliant minds is Thomas Friedman, and he wrote how talking from China to USA in a mobile is like talking to an American neighbor, and how in many US Territories, talking to one another in the same locality is like speaking long distance to China from the USA.

China is the Nation that produced the "Art of War". It is said by crazed anti-semites that Zionists make 100 year plans. Well, in that case, the Chinese make 500 year plans. Allowing the West to lose all resources, deflate all currencies, destroy the minds and morale of all their youth.... and then they will occupy the World.

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