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AcousticGod
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posted September 06, 2012 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone aware that Mitt's father's family received government aid after fleeing Mexico?

Mitt's Father George Romney was part of the Mormon exodus from Mexico around 1912.

    Aided by an appropriation of $100,000 from the United States government, most colonists, uncertain of what awaited them in Mexico, dispersed to new locations in the western United States.100
    http://www.orsonprattbrown.com/MexRev/import-arms.html
    (The family name is peppered throughout this article.)

A video is circulating on the internet of Lenore Romney talking about George Romney existing on welfare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DgB3WASwXA

I'm glad that government assistance kept George's family afloat, and gave George a chance at a decent life.

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jwhop
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posted September 06, 2012 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh really fact-less one? So now tell us exactly which government welfare program was in existence in 1912. Please do!

"Aided by an appropriation of $100,000 from the United States government, most colonists, uncertain of what awaited them in Mexico, dispersed to new locations in the western United States"

Where did you find this in the story you linked? And, if true, who says the Romneys received a cent?

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posted September 07, 2012 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mitt's mom, Lenore. Did you watch the video or her talking about her husband? It's right around the minute mark. Her word for the assistance is "welfare."

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jwhop
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posted September 07, 2012 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, the audio is so poor, I couldn't hear it.

Nevertheless, there were no federal government welfare programs in the US in 1912 and if you can find any reference...by name, by legislative Acts of Congress, by date, then by all means post it/them here.

There were private assistance programs..charities operating to assist the needy.

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posted September 07, 2012 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
George Romney on Welfare: More Evidence From George Romney Himself

by Gangster Octopus

I know there was earlier evidence form George Romney's wife, but here is more from the man himself...

From the archives: Mitt Romney’s father defends his success A sidewalk encounter with George Romney from 1967. NBC’s Brian Williams reports.

Transciprt:


GEORGE ROMNEY: I've been poor. I worked from the time I was 12. My parents were driven out of old Mexico when i was only 5. My people were revolutionary refugees. They had to be fed by the United States government and housed by the United States government . I know what poverty is. I've been up through it.

George Romney is indeed a man to be admired. I doubt he is perfect, but there is no denying that he did accomplish a lot, but note what he said and what he did not say. He said he was poor, he was. He said he worked hard, he did. He was trying to relate that he was not always wealthy, not always privileged, an argument he had the right to make. But nowhere does he say it was in spite of the Government, nowhere does he say he did it independently. And in fact he almost proudly states that the Government helped him. He almost seems to be saying, that look what a little boost from the Government can do for somebody like him. The Government made an investment in him and he succeeded

sound okay on this one?

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posted September 07, 2012 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The fact is that the appropriation made by Congress is documented by Mormons themselves. I don't think that warrants me spending a lot of time hunting down the legislative act of Congress that appropriated it. If Mormons say it happened, and Mitt's mom, Lenore, said it happened, there's not a lot of doubt that it did, in fact, happen.

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posted September 07, 2012 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop just wants to quibble words. "welfare" may not have been established at the time, but govt aid was certainly available and used.

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posted September 08, 2012 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and, interestingly, by the romneys, who left the US because polygamy was illegal, but came running back to safe home when the mexican revolution scared them...and were happy to be housed and fed by the govt.

this was not a permanent situation, mind you, nor is it for most people who need to lean on their tax money and the services it pays for, once in awhile or once in a lifetime;

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posted September 10, 2012 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was told correctly by Thomas Freidman that Mitt Romney is just "renting" the GOP to fulfill his family ambition or even a personal agenda. This man can sell his Nation for a few dollars more in his investment accounts and has 'wisely' picked a liar as running mate to cover his accounting tracks. Though she may be criticized a lot, Sarah Palin as a genuine patriot chose to distance herself from these two carpetbaggers. I am sure Santorum's and Ron Paul's supporters would be secretly happy to see a Obama victory.

At least in a parallel Universe, I hope Ron Paul is the GOP candidate.

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posted September 10, 2012 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At least in a parallel Universe, I hope Ron Paul is the GOP candidate.

I suspect he is

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posted September 10, 2012 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"From the archives: Mitt Romney’s father defends his success A sidewalk encounter with George Romney from 1967. NBC’s Brian Williams reports.

Transciprt:.........."

Where's the link to this transcript katatonic? I want to see it. And why didn't you post the link?

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posted September 10, 2012 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 14, 2010 12:58 PM
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Romney's support for the Massachusetts health care system IS the very reason he is not going to be the Republican nominee for President...no matter how many leftists praise him, no matter how much the Treason Times praises him...no matter what.

the oracle has spoken...

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. No party has a monopoly on wisdom. No democracy works without compromise. But when Governor Romney and his allies in Congress tell us we can somehow lower our deficit by spending trillions more on new tax breaks for the wealthy – well, you do the math. I refuse to go along with that. And as long as I’m President, I never will.

I refuse to ask middle class families to give up their deductions for owning a home or raising their kids just to pay for another millionaire’s tax cut. I refuse to ask students to pay more for college; or kick children out of Head Start programs, or eliminate health insurance for millions of Americans who are poor, elderly, or disabled – all so those with the most can pay less.
President BHO 9/2012

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posted September 10, 2012 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where's the link to this...."sidewalk interview" with George Romney?

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posted September 10, 2012 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Node for bringing that back up and I did say that. Romney is not my guy...obviously.

But if Daffy Duck was the Republican nominee, Daffy gets my vote. Daffy is far more rational than O'Bomber has proved to be.

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posted September 10, 2012 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be fair to JWH, he has been consistent about the "Daffy Duck is better than Obama" concept.

Here is the link: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/45934570#45934570

Shameless of Mitt Romney to criticize the US government's welfare programs for his countrymen when his dad emphatically asserts that his own family was fed and given shelter by the US Government when they fled Mexico.

How will this man protect America when he has virtually no foreign policy skills, no integrity, poor people skills and at best amateurish leadership skills? If its a businessman that the GOP wanted, then Jim Rogers is a better candidate. Mitt made millions, but Jim made billions and Jim does not flip-flop.


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posted September 11, 2012 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks IQ for the link ...and George Romney does say he and his father's family were fed and housed by the US when they were forced out of Mexico. I just don't know under what provisions of law this happened because at that time, there were no welfare programs in effect in the US. Still, he said it.

I agree with you. If Jimmy Rogers were running for President, he would certainly get my vote...depending on certain other qualifications like natural born citizenship which I can't speak to.

Romney is head and shoulders better qualified to be prez than O'Bomber...even with 4 years of on the job training under his belt he still can't cut the mustard. O'Bomber proposes to keep doing more of what he's been doing that's already failed and hoping for a different outcome. That's the definition of insanity. HOPE AND CHANGE HAS TURNED INTO...HOPE THEY DON'T NOTICE I FAILED.

Daffy is more rational and more coherent than O'Bomber and at least Daffy is funny

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posted September 11, 2012 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Romney's support for the Massachusetts health care system IS the very reason he is not going to be the Republican nominee for President...no matter how many leftists praise him, no matter how much the Treason Times praises him...no matter what.

I`m still dumbfounded he IS the candidate.

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posted September 11, 2012 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's funny that the person who first pointed the "tax dodger" finger at mitt was newt, who went down soon after, didn't he? santorum, too, was crying for his tax returns.

but now the hatchet MUST be buried, at all costs, and hopefully in obama's skull...so all the pundits can recall is democrats implying there might be something fishy there...and no republican DARE go there.

romney was handpicked for the job, juni, by grover norquist...

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posted September 12, 2012 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
10 Thumbs up to JWH for liking Jim Rogers

I am just an amateur in political analysis but there is a good chance that if Mitt wins and flip-flops on the Conservatives, then the Democrats will win majority in the House of Congress in 2015. This could pave the way for more painful policies by the President who wins 2016. Political Happiness for the Americans will be possible only when the Ivy League candidates are purged from the system, and those with ears and heart closest to the ground win a majority. Irrespective of the parties.

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