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Topic: The Truth Doesn't Mean a Thing to demoscats
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8853 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2012 01:52 PM
i understand that it takes more mental energy and discipline to consider all the different variations in people's ideas about government.however, progressives are not the same as socialist/commie/marxists and by putting them all in the same bracket with Liberals or Leftists is just a lazy, narrowminded and unproductive MO. IMO Progressives sought to enable the citizenry to rule more directly and circumvent political bosses. from wiki, admittedly not the last word but often impartial and therefore preferable to quoting partisan writers... IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6666 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2012 01:58 PM
Indeed Kat. Jwhop, this is absurd. quote: failure to heartily endorse signifies disapproval?
Tell me the last time I entered a policy debate with, "You're racist." Failure to follow the edict leading up to statement being put out there signifies disapproval. Duh. This is just ridiculously lame. It's lame on the basis that you're making Democrats as not about the truth, when you so often get the truth wrong. It's lame on the basis of trying to lump all Democrats or left-leaning people into having a single ideology. It's lame on the basis that reducing arguments to non-salient terms is something YOU engage in all the time, and now you're attempting to demonize people that do AS YOU DO! It's rubbish. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8853 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2012 02:17 PM
i have condemned the idea that democrats are alone in acting this way. i have pointed out that a super-pac is not equivalent to the party it chooses to endorse. i am sure there are some people who operate that way...including you, jwhop.it's not my way. i avoid pigeonholes to the best of my ability and spend most of my time here trying to expose the very pigeon-hole approach you use consistently. in fact it makes your individual attempts pretty much irrelevant as they are all variations on the theme that democrats all live in the same house and think the same thoughts and all those thoughts are wrong. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5885 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2012 03:01 PM
Ummm, don't look now but the usual suspects still can't muster up even faint disapproval over one of their own low lifes saying...DON'T TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN POLICY. INSTEAD, CALL THEM RACISTS. Why not? Because they believe wholeheartedly in the lying tactic. Why do they believe in the bottom feeding tactic? Because the truth means nothing to leftists. End of the story. Case proved. Oh, and there's nothing "progressive" about those who have their heads up the ass of Karl Marx. Someone should tell leftists Marx has been dead for more than 100 years and they should change their label to "Regressives"...because that's what they are.  IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6666 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2012 03:36 PM
 Nice try, but our words are still here, and still represent the truth. Furthermore, it's not your case that's proved, but mine, which has gone virtually unanswered by you. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5885 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2012 09:58 PM
Yeah, your words sure are here and not one of those words express any disapproval whatsoever for the concept of deliberate lying about political opponents.Hey ace, you were given every possible chance to express even mild disapproval of your leftist brother's lunacy. But, you failed the test...just as I knew you and the rest of the usual suspects would fail the test.  IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8853 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 16, 2012 11:40 AM
and you, jwhop, have been given every opportunity to have a reasonable conversation, but you refuse. may it bite you on your chauvinist arse.IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8853 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 16, 2012 11:55 AM
and now the republicans have decided to cancel congress until after the election. just in case one or two of them had aNY Ideas about passing any bills or doing ANYTHING about governing the country.and of course, in november it will be a lameduck congress, so despite what is going on in the middle east they are not planning on doing anything, really, for the next 3-4 months. except, probably, complaining if obama tries to DO anything about the sitch in the middle east or anywhere else. they are paid what, 175K/year? let's a)dock them two months pay, that would be about 3 months each; and b) fire their butts and replace them on the 6th before they try to come back. http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress-legacy/after-next-week-house-stopping-work-until-election-20120914 maybe one day there will be an admission that the democrats don't have a monopoly on stupidity and self-interest. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6666 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 16, 2012 12:10 PM
Jwhop, as I said, I regularly demonstrate disapproval of this sort of thing. Actions speak louder than words. I don't feign outrage, and put on a show like you do. I do the right thing, and the right thing speaks for itself.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5885 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 16, 2012 02:43 PM
And still, the usual suspects continue to run their mouths and flap their lips...about everything..other than any show of even mild disapproval over one of their loony-tunes brothers saying...LIE, LIE, LIE.DON'T TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN POLICY. INSTEAD SAY REPUBLICANS ARE RACISTS. It's hysterically funny that leftists think no one notices that when one of their coven of leftists gets caught red handed....they try to change the subject.  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 36811 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 16, 2012 04:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: And still, the usual suspects continue to run their mouths and flap their lips...about everything..other than any show of even mild disapproval over one of their loony-tunes brothers saying...[b]LIE, LIE, LIE.DON'T TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN POLICY. INSTEAD SAY REPUBLICANS ARE RACISTS. It's hysterically funny that leftists think no one notices that when one of their coven of leftists gets caught red handed....they try to change the subject. [/B]
The democrat of yesterday was nothing like these people. Our grandparents and great grandparents would NEVER recognize the circus called the Democratic party.
It is truly a 3 ring circus  ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6666 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 16, 2012 07:09 PM
Jwhop You know you're nonsense.Ami, I don't think you comprehend how far different your party is from our grandparent's generation. I was just reading the Republican Party Platform from 1956 yesterday. It would not correspond with today's views. Even Reagan would have a tough time in today's Republican party. It just shows how literally out of touch you are with anything political. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5885 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 16, 2012 07:41 PM
And still...post after post after post after post, it's just more of the same lip flapping, ducking, bobbing, weaving and evading by the usual suspects but still not one word of disapproval for the idiot leftist who told his fellow leftist activists....LIE, LIE, LIE...:DON'T TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN POLICY. INSTEAD, CALL REPUBLICANS RACISTS. And no one is supposed to notice that the usual suspects are attempting to change the subject. Delicious!  Yep Ami, this sure isn't your father's or my father's Democratic Party. They wouldn't have tolerated this bunch of lying leftist loons for 10 seconds. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 36811 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 16, 2012 08:26 PM
In all honesty AG, if O'Bomber wins, America is over as a first rate power. That is what hinges on this election.America is not in Bible Prophecy? WHY? Perhaps, it became a 2nd rate power with no influence on the global scene. I don't know. At any rate, this election IS the choice between two entirely different ways of life for all the people of the US. I am in a pivotal state, Thank Goodness. That does help me feel a little more empowered. They will try to steal it. Can they? Romney needs to win big enough to overcome the stealing, as they will try. It is out of our hands other than to vote and contribute, which I did, to Romney.
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6666 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 17, 2012 11:49 AM
Jwhop, no amount of pressure of exertion on your part is ever going to influence my actions. No one here, aside from possibly you, is dumb enough to think the words of some Democrat somewhere automatically have some place in my life. The moral high ground isn't won with pretend indignation, but with character. Get some.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5885 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 17, 2012 12:01 PM
That's right acoustic. You're not smart enough to see just how wrong you are and/or see how wrong "MOST" Americans would view the lying tactics of your loony-tunes leftist brother.  That's the reason you're still here flapping your lips, ducking, bobbing, weaving and evading showing even the mildest disapproval of your little leftist loony-tunes brother telling the other leftist loons to...LIE, LIE, LIE... DON'T TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN POLICY. INSTEAD, SAY REPUBLICANS ARE RACISTS.. Because the truth doesn't mean a thing to leftists. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3792 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted September 17, 2012 12:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: In all honesty AG, if O'Bomber wins, America is over as a first rate power. That is what hinges on this election.
Excuse me, Ami. What first rate power has a credit rating of "AA-" with negative outlook by a US rating agency? DaGong, the rating agency of the US's largest creditor rates US debt at "A" with (negative outlook). It's over regardless of who wins some silly election. U.S. Monetary Policy is simply pathetic. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 2229 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 17, 2012 12:24 PM
Jwhop,I am offended by your vitriol. These attacks on people you call "leftist loons" only show the glaring deficiencies in your own character. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5885 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 17, 2012 12:29 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah Faith, blah, blah, blah!!Now Faith, do you want to take a shot at showing some disapproval of a moronic leftist loon telling his fellow activist loons to....LIE, LIE, LIE... DON'T TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN POLICY. INSTEAD, SAY REPUBLICANS ARE RACISTS. Or Faith, is this a tactic with which you agree? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6666 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 17, 2012 12:52 PM
Jwhop, attempting to comment on my intelligence or how "wrong" I am is a most definitive loser for you. Posting an article that advocates YOUR favorite diversion tactic, which is changing the narrative to something else isn't EVER going to win you points. This is you looking in the mirror once again. You're upset at people or a person that advocates CHANGING THE SUBJECT. That's got YOUR name all over it, buddy! Just look at my thread titled Romney's Foreign Policy Blunders. Thanks to YOUR influence you're on the topic of British colonialism. You might oddly think that wasn't YOUR diversion, but it was. You decided to latch on to the LEAST important aspect of IQ's post in order to form your rebuttal. You didn't CHOOSE to tackle the MEAT of his argument. No, I'm sorry. I will not be seen as wrong in this thread where you attack a Democrat for doing exactly as you do. Nor will I be seen as wrong for not denouncing behavior I don't engage in, just as a good, devout Catholic priest wouldn't be seen as wrong for not choosing to speak out on the ills of the greater church. An individual is judged on their own character, and what they choose to engage in. We DON'T live in a FANTASYLAND where we have to PRETEND to be OUTRAGED at every sin we see associated with some faction we may be part of. You didn't say a word against the Mohammad video that inflamed those people in Egypt and Libya, did you? No outrage whatsoever. It was most certainly an ill-advised production, and you defended it with the First Amendment. Well, the First Amendment also covers the douche in your lead-in article in this thread. I'm not invoking that in defense of what he said (as I know you'd be apt to latch on to), but rather illustrating in rather literal terms the folly of your position here. Now, do I need to lecture you further, or do you have it? IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8853 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 17, 2012 01:42 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah Faith, blah, blah, blah!!oh no not more "civility" from jwhop? it may not have occurred to you jwhop but you do enough slamming of the dems all by yourself that no one else gets a look in. it might seem fun to you if we all just agreed how bad the dems are, but your strictly one-pronged approach leaves it to the rest of us to point out that not only the dems house poisonous creatures in their midst. this is NOT a democrat problem, but a countrywide, even worldwide one. MOST of the rest of us here have been trying to say that, and insert some measure of reality into your over-the-top claims, for many moons now. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 2229 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 17, 2012 01:45 PM
What is accepted as standard behavior from Jwhop would shut down countless threads on other forums, coming from other people.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5885 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 17, 2012 03:38 PM
See, here's the thing. I know damned well that you're in no way outraged by the outrageous lies deliberately hatched by your little moronic leftist brothers.You approve wholeheartedly! Hell, you weren't even outraged when one of your loony-tunes leftist pacs supporting your little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber put a liar in an ad claiming Romney killed his wife. There is no bottom level to the pit of lies leftists are willing to descend to. There is no line which leftists are will to draw and say...this far and no farther. So, we get a loony-tunes moron leftist exhorting his fellow loon activists to...LIE, LIE, LIE.... DON'T TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN POLICY. INSTEAD, SAY REPUBLICANS ARE RACISTS. And then, we get the usual suspects circling the wagons and avoiding any discouraging words against those blatant lies and trying to change the subject.  acoustic, you're way too over-invested to see how unintelligent and illogical most of what you say here would appear to rational people.  IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6666 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 17, 2012 03:58 PM
quote: I know damned well that you're in no way outraged by the outrageous lies deliberately hatched by your little moronic leftist brothers. You approve wholeheartedly!
No. You're very much in possession of the knowledge that I don't go for that sort of thing. You've had encounter after encounter with me, and this has never been MY tactic. That means in no uncertain terms that you're lying right here for all to see. quote: Hell, you weren't even outraged when one of your loony-tunes leftist pacs supporting your little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber put a liar in an ad claiming Romney killed his wife.
As I said, just as you expressed no outrage whatsoever over the Mohammad film. There's no shortage of people not expressing outrage against groups they are in some way affilliated with. There was recently announced a white supremecist meeting in Tennessee: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012/09/13/white-supremacists-to-gather-in-tenn/57779764/1 Just because I'm now aware of it, because I searched "white supremecist" to make my point here, doesn't mean I'm obligated to say a thing about it, though I am white. I'm not a white supremecist myself, and I can rest assured that people know my character well enough to know that I wouldn't be associated with that. You continue not to be in a position to talk about rational people. Rational people don't post something vaguely having to do with other people, and claim that they all must be the same. Rational people recognize that you've posted an article that espouses one of YOUR primary argument techniques. When are you going to address that? I will continue lecturing you on this for as long as you like. You've never had and never will have the least bit of moral superiority over me. My maturity has always played very well against your immature antics. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8853 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 17, 2012 04:16 PM
you know nothing of the sort. no matter what people say to try to bring reason into the conversation, you just keep repeating yourself, louder and louder. hint: logic doesn't depend on volume. IP: Logged |