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AcousticGod
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posted September 15, 2012 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
by Donna Leinwand Leger, USA TODAY

Hours after learning of Ambassador Chris Stevens' death, the Libyan Youth Movement transformed its Facebook page into a tribute to the slain diplomat. It changed its cover photo from "Free Libya" graffiti sprayed on a Tripoli wall to a somber photo of Stevens with the tag "RIP Christopher Stevens1960-2012."

"As North America wakes up, dread washes over me. What a rough night. I'm sorry for the horrible day the world is about to face," the administrator of the Shabab Libya page wrote. "We are sorry."

As anti-American protests swept across North Africa and the Arabian Gulf, a counter-protest of apology emerged. Photos of Libyans carrying hand-lettered signs condemning the violence and expressing contrition for their countrymen appeared on Facebook. "Sorry" became the trending mantra of Libyans on Twitter.

At one counter-protest, an unidentified man carried a crude sign phonetically written in English with blue marker on lined notebook paper, "Sorry People of America this not the Pehavior of our ISLAM and Profit."

Another sign in red, white and blue read: "Chris Stevens wasa friend to all Libyans."

On Facebook, one group formed The Sorry Project, designed to collect thousands of personal, written apologies from Libyans. Its profile photo is a man holding a sign, "USA. We are sorry. We are sad."

"We Are Sorry," the group wrote on the page created Sept.11. "We would like show that as Libyans we do not support on the actions committed by these criminals. USA, we are sorry and we will say it one thousand times over. Our apologies will never be enough, but the Libyan people will always be grateful for you since you were the first to stand by us in our fight for freedom and hopefully you will continue supporting us."

One commenter, Hajer Sharief, vowed to avenge Stevens' death by rebuilding a "new civilized democratic Libya."

"We promise, we will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail," Sharief wrote. "This is the way real Libyans will pay you back Mr. Ambassador Chris Stevens."

At the ceremony Friday outside Washington to repatriate the remains of the four American victims, President Obama acknowledged Libya's internal conflict.

"I know that this awful loss, the terrible images of recent days, the pictures we're seeing again today, have caused some to question this work. And there is no doubt these are difficult days. In moments such as this -- so much anger and violence -- even the most hopeful among us must wonder," Obama said. "But amid all of the images of this week, I also think of the Libyans who took to the streets with homemade signs expressing their gratitude to an American who believed in what we could achieve together. I think of the man in Benghazi with his sign in English, a message he wanted all of us to hear that said, 'Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans.'" http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012/09/15/libyans-express-sorrow-over-killing-of-americans/57785218/1

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posted September 15, 2012 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Ambassador Chris Stevens would have wanted us to do in the Middle East


By Robin Wright, Published: September 14

The last time I saw Chris Stevens was in May, at his swearing-in ceremony for his first post as ambassador, in Libya. We’d been friends since he was a junior diplomat on the Iran desk, when we used to gab for hours about Tehran’s cryptic politics. We later met up in Mideast hot spots, from Syria and Saudi Arabia to the Palestinian territories. He always had funny tales about diplomatic mischief.

During an earlier tour in Tripoli, when Moammar Gaddafi was still in power, Chris once grabbed the camera off a Libyan intelligence goon on his tail, turned and, with a big smile, took the guy’s picture. Then he gave the camera back. The lanky Californian could be both charming and disarming, even as he made his point.

Chris was posted in Jerusalem during the second intifada, when Palestinians were blowing themselves up on Israeli buses and Israeli troops were raiding West Bank villages. In a bit of unorthodox public diplomacy, Chris and a junior officer went outdoors during a rare snowstorm and started lobbing snowballs at each other. Young Palestinians and Israeli border guards on opposite sides of the divide joined in. It broke the tension, at least temporarily.

His antics were misleading, however. Chris fast became one of America’s savviest envoys.

In April 2011, two months after the Libyan uprising erupted, he was dispatched on a cargo ferry from Malta to Benghazi to set up a U.S. liaison office to the rebels, working out of a hotel room. Colleagues dubbed him the expeditionary diplomat.

“He very quickly developed these amazing circles of contacts,” recalled Jeffrey D. Feltman, a former colleague and now an undersecretary at the United Nations.

More than anyone else, Stevens soon convinced Washington that the Transitional National Council (NTC) had the political bona fides to pick up the pieces after Gaddafi’s 42-year rule.

His assessment has so far proved accurate. When Libyans went to the polls in July, the majority rejected hard-line Islamists as well as separatists. And many NTC officials won the popular vote.

Most colleagues thought Chris was daft for taking the ambassadorship, in what would be his third Libyan tour. But he was excited. “You’ve got to come out,” he told me. “It’s going to be fascinating. Wild, but fascinating.”

A week before his murder in Benghazi, we exchanged e-mails about my plans to visit Libya in a few weeks. A State Department travel warning last month cited increasing assassinations, car bombs and gunmen abducting foreigners. Clashes among militias “can erupt at any time or any place in the country,” it cautioned.

Yet Chris saw the potential over the peril. He was not among those declaring that the Arab Spring had only made the region worse. Quite the reverse. He understood that the Middle East is moving into the second phase of its traumatic transition as Arabs vie to define a new order.

So as the United States deployed gunships and drones this past week to track his killers, I started thinking about what Chris would have wanted the United States to do — about his death, the latest turmoil and in the years ahead. I suspect his message would have been: Waver not.

But he was less an advocate of U.S. influence than of U.S. enabling. Two days after his murder, Chris was supposed to inaugurate the first “American Space” in Libya. That’s why he went to Benghazi. The center would offer a library, computers with free Internet access, language classes and films.

In prepared remarks he never got to give, Chris was going to say, “An American Space is not part of the American Embassy. It is owned, operated, and staffed by our Libyan partners, while the United States provides materials, equipment, and speakers. An American Space is a living example of the kind of partnership between our two countries which we hope to inspire.”

In this fragile phase, as Libyans and other Arabs reclaim control of their lives from autocrats and colonial rule, Chris was pressing Washington to let the newly empowered take the lead.

He was famous for his “pleasant silences,” Feltman said. “He would sit there as if he had all the time in the world. Yet it was comfortable enough in ways that the interlocutor started talking more.”

After a brief visit to Benghazi in August 2011, Feltman went to say farewell to Ali Tarhouni, the NTC’s minister of oil and finance. Chris suggested that they all “hang out” a bit. During one of Chris’s silences, Tarhouni began to outline the rebels’ military plan for the takeover of Tripoli. Residents in several neighborhoods were going to rise up simultaneously, then militias from other areas would move into the capital. The NTC wanted Tripolitanians to feel ownership, not as if armed gangs from rival provinces were moving in. It all played out the next day, and Gaddafi fled the capital.

Two days after Chris died, President Obama vowed: “We are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice. . . . No act of terror will go unpunished.”

But Chris would almost certainly have urged his bosses to hold off on extraterritorial intervention.

The trial of Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the former ruler’s son and political heir, will be a pivotal test for Tripoli. A former lawyer, Chris was aware of the need for real justice under the government elected this year, rather than a repeat of Ghaddafi’s murder after rebels caught him trying to escape through a sewer pipe last year. But Chris understood the sensitivity about any U.S. attempt to help write a new Libyan constitution. He instead favored American assistance on the basics of the rule of law, such as training police on collecting credible evidence, judges on courtroom procedures, and prosecutors and defense lawyers on honoring the restrictions as well as the responsibilities of the law. He wanted Libya to become a model for a region prone to capricious justice.

Chris was already deep into the kind of nation-building projects that the United States often blew during a decade in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even as he helped develop plans to track missing parts of Libya’s deadly arsenal — including chemical and anti-aircraft weapons — he also pressed for the integration of some militias into a new Libyan military.

“He recognized that they were not all rag-tag ruffians running around with guns,” said Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Ray Maxwell. “A lot see themselves as patriotic.”

One of the most striking things about Chris was that he was not afraid of the future, as many may be after the latest attacks on U.S. targets. “I never understood why he never flinched,” his sister Anne Stevens e-mailed me the day he died. “I guess because he always had good relationships with people, he always came out okay.”

Chris would have been heartened by another demonstration in Benghazi the day after he died. A sign held high by a young Libyan in blue jeans declared, in big red letters, “Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans.”

Robin Wright, a joint fellow at the U.S. Institute of Peace and the Woodrow Wilson Center, is the author of “Rock the Casbah: Rage and Rebellion Across the Islamic World.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-ambassador-chris-stevens-would-have-wanted-us-to-do-in-the-middle-east/2012/09/14/b9cd9abe-fe74-11e1-a31e-804fccb658f9_story.html

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posted September 15, 2012 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris Stevens' family remembers his calm demeanor
By GARANCE BURKE and TERENCE CHEA Associated Press Posted: 09/12/2012 05:49:08 PM PDT
Updated: 09/12/2012 07:50:00 PM PDT

SAN FRANCISCO—The brother and stepfather of the U.S. ambassador killed in the brazen attack on a U.S. consulate in Libya remember his fearless nature and remarkable composure, even when facing danger.

Ambassador Chris Stevens was among four Americans who died Tuesday night in Benghazi after they were attacked by gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades.

Stevens' stepfather Bob Commanday, 90, of Oakland, said the diplomat's postings to numerous conflict zones worried his mother Mary.

But Commanday said his stepson, with his characteristic cool, would retort that his assignments in the Arab world were "no more dangerous than Oakland."

"He was selfless," said his younger brother Thomas Stevens, an assistant US Attorney in San Francisco. "He got along with everyone he met because he was interested in them, not in himself. That's what made him a great diplomat."

Stevens, 52, grew up in a family of doctors and lawyers in Piedmont near Oakland, but showed an early interest in foreign policy. In high school, he was active in the Model U.N. club.

"What a bore it is, waking up in the morning always the same person," said his quote in the 1978 high school yearbook. "I wish I were unflinching and emphatic and had big eyebrows and a Message for the Age."

Following his father, Jan Stevens, he graduated from the University of California, Berkeley in 1982. He then volunteered for the Peace Corps as an English teacher for two years in a remote village in Morocco's High Atlas Mountains.

There he learned Arabic and would later return to the Middle East after earning a law degree at the University of California's Hastings College of Law in 1989.

Stevens' early postings were in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Israel and Egypt—where he regularly beat his superiors in tennis matches. He was dispatched to Benghazi during heavy fighting in April 2011 to set up an office to work with the Libyan opposition.

Relatives said Stevens was not married and had no children, but he left behind a large circle of friends. His family last saw him about four months ago, Commanday said, when they threw him a farewell party in the San Francisco Bay area.

His brother was not surprised to hear that Stevens risked his life to help his staff.

"He's loyal. He doesn't bail out," Thomas Stevens said. "The thought of driving away was not consistent with who he was."
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_21529222/chris-stevens-family-remembers-his-calm-demeanor

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posted September 15, 2012 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for posting this, AG.

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posted September 15, 2012 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I sincerely hope that we may finally have learned something in the aftermath of the tragedy in Libya. I hope it might finally serve as a wake-up call that our interventionist foreign policy is causing us real harm. It is bankrupting our economy and it is turning the rest of the world against us.

-Ron Paul
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/249545-the-libya-fiasco-and-the-folly-of-intervention


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posted September 15, 2012 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting this in its entirety, Acoustic. It helps put things in perspective.

The expression of sorrow by the Libyans certainly helps at a time like this and shows that they are different from the radicals and extremists.

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posted September 16, 2012 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG, someone is asking for you in the Lindaland FB Group.

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posted September 17, 2012 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tried to join.

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posted September 17, 2012 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I went to approve you this morning, and your request isn't there. Did you withdraw it?

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posted September 17, 2012 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope. Weird. Earlier when I checked it gave me the option of cancelling request, but I didn't do it. Now, it just let me request again as if I hadn't.

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posted September 17, 2012 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An out and out Hero.

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posted September 18, 2012 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is some evidence that Libyans tried to rescue Stevens from the terrorists. I wish I had saved the link.

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posted September 18, 2012 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me too

I believe , from what I saw on cell video, they did.

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