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Randall
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posted November 15, 2012 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/john-metz-hurricane-grill-wings-dennys_n_2122412.html?utm_hp_ref=small-business&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D234886

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posted November 15, 2012 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It'll be a nice opportunity for his competitors.

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posted November 15, 2012 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I need to look what is so scary in obamacare for sane people like u randall to complain about it. To my eyes, it doesn't make sense to be so harsh against such a logical policy in the biggest economy in the world.

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posted November 15, 2012 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The surcharge is a bad idea, although if the law requires ALL employees in the future to be given insurance (as he anticipates it will), then it makes sense. But the point is that Obamacare is hurting the wage earners who will now have their hours reduced and no more overtime.

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posted November 15, 2012 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see.
I heard a radio program here during the US elections that said the the costs to get a medical treatment was the highest of the western countries. May be reducing the prices done in hospitals or by doctors would lower the costs for the companies..
Obamacare seems a very interesting topic to investigate. I notice it was a really long political battle.

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posted November 15, 2012 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But the point is that Obamacare is hurting the wage earners who will now have their hours reduced and no more overtime.

But they'll also have essentially free healthcare that they weren't previously receiving.

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posted November 15, 2012 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My insurance premiums went up $160.00 a month as soon as The Supreme Court passed it through.

Priority Health stated it WAS directly because of Obamacare

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posted November 15, 2012 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Denny’s Pancakes With a Side of Obamacare Tax? Not Yet

Fans of the Grand Slam breakfast, fear not. The Denny’s franchise owner who told a reporter that he would be adding a 5 percent “Obamacare” surcharge to diners’ meals has walked back that statement.

John Metz, who owns around 40 Denny’s and multiple Dairy Queen Locations in Florida, as well as a franchise called Hurricane Grill & Wings, made news and ruffled diner food fans’ feathers when he told the Huffington Post that he planned to add a 5 percent surcharge at the start of next year in addition to cutting back some full-time employees to part time. His reasoning, he said, was that the measures are necessary to offset the costs of the Affordable Care Act, which goes into full effect in 2014.

But now representatives for Metz are walking back those statements, telling ABC News in a statement that while Metz will cut back hours his employees work, the 5 percent surcharge was merely speculation, and never was his actual intention.

“Hurricane Grill & Wings will be implementing the 28 hour [maximum hour] rule in all corporately owned and operated restaurants starting in Q1 of 2013. The 5 percent surcharge mentioned in various online outlets is pure speculation and only a potential option should the law be re-written to include full-time equivalents,” the statement read. “The surcharge is not to be implemented or considered at this time.”

ABC News was denied a request to interview Metz.

The Affordable Care Act states that employers who do not provide health insurance but have over 50 full-time employees will be charged a penalty for every employee above 30 full-time employees.

Metz is not alone in promising to cut back on workers’ hours as a way of avoiding this provision. He joins employers such as Papa John’s, Apple-Metro, Jimmy John’s and Darden restaurants, all of which have already announced plans to cut back the number of hours certain employees work.

Yet how the ACA would impact the restaurant industry – whether in decreased profits, increased prices or lower wages for employees – has yet to be fully determined.

“The market is going to ultimately decide how the restaurant industry absorbs this penalty, and no one entrepreneur is going to affect how that occurs,” said Bruce Vogel, associate professor in the Department of Health Outcomes and Policy at the University of Florida. “It’s a competitive market, and he’s a pretty small player in a relatively large market, he’s probably going to backtrack pretty quickly.”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/dennys-pancakes-with-a-side-of-obamacare-tax-not-yet/

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posted November 15, 2012 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would they have free healthcare? Their hours are being cut so as not to pay for their healthcare. And free healthcare doesn't pay the rent or put food on the table. Wages are important to people who live paycheck to paycheck.

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posted November 15, 2012 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I already told you how: medicaid or tax breaks.

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posted November 15, 2012 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn`t medicaid like Goverment welfare for the poor?

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posted November 15, 2012 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then how is that different than now where taxpayers cover it?

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posted November 15, 2012 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Besides costing taxpayers a lot more since it's not emergency care.

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posted November 15, 2012 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Then how is that different than now where taxpayers cover it?

You beat me to the question.

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posted November 16, 2012 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The benefit will come very quickly from intangible wealth, it will take some time to manifest as tangible wealth.

Lets say A High Frequency Baby [maximum such babies are slated to be born after 2012 Dec 21], born to a poor working class couple with no insurance, develops some serious ailments. Without Obamacare, she will die as the parents cannot afford 100-200000 dollars for sophisticated treatment. All those who contributed through Obamacare "premiums" have contributed to saving this baby and millions GAIN spiritual benefit and High Frequency Blessings.

The thing is, one must think of additional premium as "Money Given Away". We know that this creates twice a return. It is Sacred, Inviolable Law. But one must think positive about it. If given grudgingly, then it takes a lot more time to manifest.

All the Elites who are planning to terrorize employees and punish them for electing Obama, well, they are in for a surprise. Ordinary Employees are going to get better as the High Frequency Shift in Consciousness steps up.
Slowly, they will become job creators themselves, and network faster and better. They will reject employment from Abusive Corporate Sharks.

Humane Elites will get the new cream of the workforce and catapult to great heights.

Pluto in Capricorn is going to cut every evil Business Elite and every evil government to size. Even this popularly elected government has to perform well or perish, such is the nature of this transit.

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posted November 16, 2012 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But they'll also have essentially free healthcare that they weren't previously receiving.

"free healthcare"

Somebody always pays, AG.

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posted November 16, 2012 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you guys forgetting how the bill got passed? Reconciliation anyone? What does that mean regarding the bill?

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posted November 16, 2012 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Freedom isn't free. And neither is healthcare.

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posted November 16, 2012 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All I see are excuses not to like healthcare. If that is not an illogical stance, I don't know what is.

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posted November 16, 2012 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's illogical about understanding the oppressive financial burden it places on businesses and that they will avoid that burden within the confines of the law? If I had 50+ employees, you can bet none of them would get over 30 hours a week. Welcome to the new America--an America of mostly part-time workers!

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posted November 16, 2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One would hope that if you owned a business that required 50 full time workers, you'd understand that these jobs typically come with benefits, and you'd strive to meet the status quo to ensure you've got good talent.

I take it you didn't read that article I posted about how the law is generally beneficial for most businesses.

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posted November 16, 2012 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, that depends on the type of business I have and what types of jobs we are talking about. You assume much in saying that these jobs typically come with benefits. Whether servers or pizza delivery drivers or cashiers--just because more locations are opened up and one reaches a certain number of them does not denote that they just suddenly become jobs that typically come with benefits.

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posted November 16, 2012 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are non-benefit full time jobs out there, but the larger the company, the less likely the company doesn't offer benefits. If you're a multiple franchiser with a significant amount of full time employees (like the managers of those restaurants), chances are you've looked in to offering benefits. That's just a matter of being a business owner. Sooner or later you're going to find people won't stay without insurance. Would you rather have an ever-revolving door of people coming into and leaving the non-benefit job, or would you rather treat your employees in a manner that will ensure their continued productivity?

You assume you can divine how entrepreneurs conduct business without understanding that the benefits they offer are a key component of what draws good, qualified people into working full time.

Have you seen the benefits list at Papa John's Corporate? http://www.papajohns.com/careers/benefits_02.shtm

What John Schattner proposed about franchisees doesn't apply to the talent brought in to corporate. His views at corporate are at odds with his views for the potentially small business person that owns a franchise. The ACA is going to make it easier for the small business owner to provide insurance, though.

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posted November 16, 2012 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you AG. You are wise indeed. I am a temp worker, qualufied in my field. I see many bosses. And what you say is true. A good boss treats well his employees.

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posted November 16, 2012 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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All I see are excuses not to like healthcare. If that is not an illogical stance, I don't know what is.

Logic has nothing to do with it, it's only a matter of preference.

What does logic have to do with your refusal to like the system the way it was before ObamaCare?

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