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YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4433 From: Registered: Oct 2011	posted December 30, 2012 10:10 AM I predict there's going to be a one-month extension amendment to retroactively waive any "default." It'll be a short-term stop gap measure. Never mind there's a three-day "sitting" period for the sake of the broad Congress and the public. Cutting the military alone isn't enough. Taxing the "rich" alone is not enough. There has to be much deeper cuts and much higher revenue raising. IP: Logged
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4433 From: Registered: Oct 2011	posted December 30, 2012 04:37 PM I'll say it now, and I'm ready to get flamed. There should be a 25% decrease in Social Security payouts and Medicare. There has to be a halving of unemoyment benefits and equally deep cuts to the federal drpartments of energy, education, state, commerce, defense and intelligence services. Taxes should be raised for 75% of Americans. Either swallow the bitter medicine or remain sick forever. IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9251 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted December 30, 2012 10:53 PM not interested in flaming you but you do realize, don't you, that social security is completely separate from the budget moneys? it is a paid-for stand alone fund which rumour says has been dipped into by the "they" in washington and that is why it is not as flush as supposed to be. i hear however that the rumour is false and there is plenty of money in it and a HUGE generation coming up to keep adding to it. since i don't work for the SS (ours or germany's) i don't know for a fact what their books look like (anymore than you do). the idea that social security costs the budget or the govt anything apart from admin costs is, frankly, balls. the fact that there is little interest currently being paid on savings may well effect the longterm pot for social security, depending on how long it goes on... but it looks like, as always, the profiteers have their eyes on taking over any solid structure in the govt and turning a profit on what was paid for by - once again - the people who earn less than 100K per year. personally i don't trust the investment managers to manage my money any better than they did the 401ks and mortgage market. as far as the supposed "cliff" goes, it's a dramatic metaphor but i think the NEW congress will deal with it more efficiently than this crowd has dealt with anything at all. lol, they even failed at their NUMBER ONE PRIORITY...keeping obama out of a second term! IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9251 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted December 30, 2012 10:55 PM when obama shaved a huge amount off medicare by trimming waste and fraud the republicans just used it as a campaign gimmick to say he was "robbing" medicare. now they want to cut it more? and you agree? medicare is much leaner and better than it was a few years ago. IP: Logged
Randall Webmaster Posts: 24337 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009	posted December 30, 2012 11:55 PM Social Insecurity is broke. There never was a trust fund. It all goes into the general tax fund. ------------------ "Fall down 100 times, get up 101...this is success." --ME IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 38911 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 31, 2012 07:42 AM quote: Originally posted by Randall: Social Insecurity is broke. There never was a trust fund. It all goes into the general tax fund. Obama wants to destroy the US as a country where people make their own opportunities. We wants to turn it into a country where the "rich"( which is a teacher and a cop who are married, for example) give to the poor. It can't work is the problem. If you take all the money from "the rich", it will fund the government for a very short time Like a few months) Then, there will be no more rich and no one to take from. Obama wants to punish the people he blames for slavery. I would feel that way, too, if I were black. The problem is that it won't work. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
juniperb Moderator Posts: 5729 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009	posted December 31, 2012 07:53 AM quote: We wants to turn it into a country where the "rich"( which is a teacher and a cop who are married, for example) give to the poor seriously. a Teacher and a cop among the rich? They may be rich in spirit for helping society but they sure as heck are NOT "rich" by definition of your post. www1.salary.com/High-School-Teacher-salary.html http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-Lansing-MI.aspx ------------------ We need to listen to our own song, and share it with others, but not force it on them. Our songs are different. They should be in harmony with each other. ~ Mattie Stepanek IP: Logged
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4433 From: Registered: Oct 2011	posted December 31, 2012 09:25 AM Taxes will rise for 90% of American families. We got to where we are by spending way too much, not taxing too little. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 38911 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 31, 2012 10:05 AM quote: Originally posted by juniperb: seriously. a Teacher and a cop among the [b]rich? They may be rich in spirit for helping society but they sure as heck are NOT "rich" by definition of your post. www1.salary.com/High-School-Teacher-salary.html http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-Lansing-MI.aspx [/B] 250,000 could be a small business like a restaurant, gift shop, real estate business or hair salon. 250,000 could be two professionals such as 2 lawyers who are married, two doctors or two architects etc What Obama calls rich is high middle to upper middle class, in which 2 people are working, in many cases( and working darn hard) ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 38911 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 31, 2012 10:11 AM If someone worked hard and went to medical school or some other skill such as interior design and opened up a business and these two married, why should Obama take their money and give it to someone who did not break their back pulling themselves up. I agree the handicapped should be taken care of( and most people do) but Obama wants to punish the achievers because of his own hatred, rooted, deeply, in his past. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 38911 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 31, 2012 11:18 AM dp IP: Logged
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4433 From: Registered: Oct 2011	posted December 31, 2012 01:06 PM Mitch McConnell is asking for a floor of the 1% at $385K married filed jointly, and Joe Biden is refusing to budge. The whole negotiation is at an impasse. Now, any family making more than $45K is going to be taxed through the wazoo. IP: Logged
pire Knowflake Posts: 2020 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted December 31, 2012 05:36 PM 250k for a couple, divided by 2: 125k each, divided by 12 month: 10k each per month. I suppose it isn't rich. it is what everyone would hope to get. and I understand that this class of people fight for their good income. if those who earn less were not struggling to make ends meet, they would probably have more compassion for this suffering class that they would happily join. IP: Logged
MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1147 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009	posted December 31, 2012 06:57 PM No, $250k for a couple or family is NOT rich. It's upper middle class. Likely, small business owning folks that have to save for their own retirement and pay for their own insurance unlike a teacher or police officer who may not make as much in salary but have things like tenure, pensions and lifetime health benefits. Add in that many people making $250k also live in big metropolitan areas where the cost of living is much higher. (Our rent, for instance on a SMALL 2 bedroom and 1 bathroom is $3000 a month.) Not that I'm saying "Oh poor upper middle class people" but it's not as simple as some people make it out to be. We fit into that bracket and it's not like we're living the high-life and flying first class anywhere. The fact is, the government could tax everyone that makes amount of money and more at 75% and it won't solve the problem. American has a spending problem. IP: Logged
MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1147 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009	posted December 31, 2012 06:58 PM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: 250,000 could be a small business like a restaurant, gift shop, real estate business or hair salon. 250,000 could be two professionals such as 2 lawyers who are married, two doctors or two architects etc What Obama calls rich is high middle to upper middle class, in which 2 people are working, in many cases( and working darn hard) Ditto this. And also probably with lots of student loan debt to pay off! IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 38911 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 31, 2012 08:26 PM Tthe other thing jealous people seem to forget is that you need people who make 450,000 or more a year because many of these are medium sized businesses. For a business, 450, 000 is not that much. It may sound like a huge amount but a medium size firm of 3 professionals, such as 3 dentists or 3 interior designers, could have a business this size. A nice restaurant could make this or a nice store. These people EMPLOY people. Hating the producers will ruin this country but Obama wants to ruin this country because he hates it's values. It's values are NOT white. They are "human" and for the betterment of humans of all colors and creeds. Slavery was a horrible thing, but we should not have to pay for that mistake, forever. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4433 From: Registered: Oct 2011	posted January 01, 2013 11:17 AM It's a $100 billion increase in tax revenues with almost zero cuts in spending and no debt pay down. Geithner has already said that the US has hit the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling. What a farce!!! IP: Logged
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4433 From: Registered: Oct 2011	posted January 01, 2013 11:18 AM The tax immunity threshold is now $450K instead of $250K. IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9251 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted January 02, 2013 04:59 PM when you want something that costs 100 for 50 you offer 25...elementary bargaining 101. this is only until we get a more reasonable congress and start it up again. debt ceilings are red herrings. the constitution insists that we HONOUR OUR DEBTS. CONGRESS CREATES the debts by its budgetting. and since everyone owes everyone else, who actually is ever going to pay off their debts? it's high camp theatre. what would really kill our economy would be to REFUSE to raise the debt ceiling. that's why it NEVER happens. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 38911 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted January 03, 2013 07:31 AM quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: The tax immunity threshold is now $450K instead of $250K. That is not much for a business. Obama is going to ruin small business. He wants to ruin "the man". "The man" has no color. He is an American who want to live a good life. Obama will ruin people of all colors, as when he takes down "the man", he takes down ALL men. You guys are so dumbed down that you can't see simple common sense things. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4433 From: Registered: Oct 2011	posted January 03, 2013 07:49 AM Listen up. The "fiscal responsibility" deal right now is: (1) raise $1 in tax revenues, (2) spend $16, (3) borrow $15. In my house, you: (1) earn $1. (2) spend 50 cents, (3) give away 20 cents, (4) invest 20 cents in the financial markets, (5) save 10 cents in the bank. Which do you think is that path to financial solvency? IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9251 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted January 03, 2013 01:43 PM not so dumbed down that i can't spot the deliberate lies and twisting of facts by rush to delude the "low info voter" he thinks makes up the majority of america. in fact he counts on the morons not even really listening to what he is saying, or i assume he does, since his points don't add up but contradict themselves and his so called conclusions. he as good as says he thinks his audience (you!) are morons. it is what it is ami. be reassured by the fact that there are plenty of thriving businesses in all those "socialist gulags" you are so afraid we will become. and we are talking INCOME TAX not gross receipts for your biz. IP: Logged

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