posted January 10, 2013 11:38 AM            

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on gun control.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/10/joe-biden-obama-prepared-to-use-ex ecutive-action-on-gun-control/

Straight out of the dictator playbook.

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This is what I have been telling these mind numbed robots

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posted January 10, 2013 11:44 AM            

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Biden did not specify what kind of action the president might take. In the past the Obama administration has used executive orders, which have the force of law, to require gun dealers to report when customers buy multiple high-powered rifles and to increase penalties for violating gun laws. A new order, nearly certain to face legal challenges, could seek to tighten enforcement of laws governing private sales of guns or to beef up background checks.

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Is it just the notion of an executive order by the admin or serious attempt of control of weapons of mass human destruction?

posted January 10, 2013 01:24 PM            

the fact is that congress is in the grip of the NRA lobby and dragging its feet NOT FOR YOUR RIGHTS but for their vested interests.

as congresswoman gabby giffords points out "“Special interests purporting to represent gun owners but really advancing the interests of an ideological fringe have used big money and influence to cow Congress into submission,” she wrote in an editorial with husband Mark Kelly, an astronaut. “Rather than working to find the balance between our rights and the regulation of a dangerous product, these groups have cast simple protections for our communities as existential threats to individual liberties.”

posted January 10, 2013 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Faith, which part of Bidens statement appears as dictatorship?

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Gun banning happens in dictatorships.

Dictators make unilateral decisions that override their country's formerly upheld Constitutions or legal framework.

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Is it just the notion of an executive order by the admin or serious attempt of control of weapons of mass human destruction?

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It's the executive order.

And Biden hasn't divulged what the order will entail...it's too soon to be sure that he will only ban "weapons of mass human destruction." He could also ban regular handguns that people keep to defend themselves from thieves.

posted January 10, 2013 02:17 PM            

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It's the executive order.

And Biden hasn't divulged what the order will entail...it's too soon to be sure that he will only ban "weapons of mass human destruction." He could also ban regular handguns that people keep to defend themselves from thieves.

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Thank you for your reply. It is indeed too soon to know the ex. order and speculation depends on each persons belief system. I speculate it will be much as talked about. A stricter control of assault weapons & who has access..

A ban of hand guns of the garden variety will not apply. Until I hear different, I`m not going to buy into fear and and paint the ugliest picture of a future dictatorship.. Of course, you may speculate I`m dreaming....

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“Rather than working to find the balance between our rights and the regulation of a dangerous product, these groups have cast simple protections for our communities as existential threats to individual liberties.”

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posted January 10, 2013 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
yes he is "considering"...and "just because we can't do it all doesn't mean we can't do anything" these are such dictatorial suggestions. it actually sounds to me like they are trying to push congress to do something before an executive order is the only way to get ANYTHING done.

the fact is that congress is in the grip of the NRA lobby and dragging its feet NOT FOR YOUR RIGHTS but for their vested interests.

as congresswoman gabby giffords points out [b]"“Special interests purporting to represent gun owners but really advancing the interests of an ideological fringe have used big money and influence to cow Congress into submission,” she wrote in an editorial with husband Mark Kelly, an astronaut. “Rather than working to find the balance between our rights and the regulation of a dangerous product, these groups have cast simple protections for our communities as existential threats to individual liberties.”

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He has gone above and beyond the constitution, several times. He is sending out a trial balloon to inure people. It is a baby step in the process i.e THE FROG

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posted January 10, 2013 02:57 PM            

people are jumping to conclusions in a big way about the suggestion that obama MIGHT use executive order to do SOMETHING about the MISUSE OF FIREARMS in this country. again i see it as a bargaining ploy.

little question: what would you do? send your child to school armed as some did the week after the shooting?

posted January 10, 2013 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
ami i am going to nominate you for president and see how all powerful you feel when you get there.

people are jumping to conclusions in a big way about the suggestion that obama MIGHT use executive order to do SOMETHING about the MISUSE OF FIREARMS in this country. again i see it as a bargaining ploy.

little question: what would you do? send your child to school armed as some did the week after the shooting?

EVERYTHING is baby steps in politics. how do you change course in a population of 300 million people who are all looking out for number one? snap your fingers and say abracadabra, you are all intelligent thoughtful people now?

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posted January 10, 2013 06:49 PM            

it is being assumed that that is what the POSSIBLE executive order will be about.

does anyone here know how many executive orders gw implemented? and tens of them were classified, ie no one knows what's in them or is allowed to for years yet.

posted January 11, 2013 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Is anyone here foolish enough to think a ban will make any kind of a difference whatsoever on gun violence? The opposite has been proven to have an effect, though. A county near Atlanta has made it a crime to not own a firearm, and while I disagree with that, violent crimes have gone way down, and robberies/burglaries have dropped to nothing.

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Interesting...but then, there is also Washington, DC, where guns were totally banned in 1975, and which became "the murder capital of the world" by the 1990's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/real-capitalists-move-our-money-big-banks-cre dit-unions

My opinion is, guns don't kill people, people kill people. And CRAZY people kill a lot of people.

I would like for there to be more scrutiny of the psych drugs that school shooters and mass murderers are taking. I believe Big Pharma is culpable for covering up its role in these tragedies.

Most people who are killed by guns each year, in and out of schools, are not killed by assault weapons. So if someone wants to protect the children in schools, look at 1) psych drugs, and 2) the school environment that cultivates and allows bullying, and 3) regular handguns.

If the schools and drugs were better, the right to own a handgun would not be threatened. But as such, it's undeniable that regular guns play a role in school violence. Banning assault weapons won't end the school violence.

posted January 11, 2013 09:49 AM            

Strangely, I think the word "dictatorship" is relative. America is already enough of a dictatorship, because of its legal framework, the Patriot Act, constant warrantless surveillance, TSA, and other codified infringements on human rights, to make me uncomfortable to the point where I am always trying to figure out where my family could move to.

When I say Obama is doing things out of the dictator playbook, I'm not meaning to call him a dictator. So far, to me, he hasn't warranted that very ominous label. He would have to be responsible for more deaths.

However, I haven't been following his decisions that affected the lives of people abroad; a closer look at the death toll rising from his policies might warrant, for me, that label after all. In that case he would be dictator over an undeclared empire more than a "traditional" dictator who reigns over one country.

posted January 11, 2013 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Juni,

Strangely, I think the word "dictatorship" is relative. America is already enough of a dictatorship, because of its legal framework, the Patriot Act, constant warrantless surveillance, TSA, and other codified infringements on human rights, to make me uncomfortable to the point where I am always trying to figure out where my family could move to.

When I say Obama is doing things out of the dictator playbook, I'm not meaning to call him a dictator. So far, to me, he hasn't warranted that very ominous label. He would have to be responsible for more deaths.

However, I haven't been following his decisions that affected the lives of people abroad; a closer look at the death toll rising from his policies might warrant, for me, that label after all. In that case he would be dictator over an undeclared empire more than a "traditional" dictator who reigns over one country.

But I'm not educated enough to have a real opinion.

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posted January 11, 2013 11:06 AM            

America has been declared a battlefield, torture of American citizens has been okay'd, assassination of American citizens for political reasons has been carried out with impunity.

Preventive detention is now legal.

Preventive detention is the logic behind concentration camps.

posted January 11, 2013 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ I agree, the writing is on the wall.

America has been declared a battlefield, torture of American citizens has been okay'd, assassination of American citizens for political reasons has been carried out with impunity.

Preventive detention is now [b]legal.

Preventive detention is the logic behind concentration camps.

If I sound alarmist it's because the facts are alarming.[/B]

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posted January 11, 2013 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
so when are you emigrating, ami?

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I am emigrating in the Rapture

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posted January 11, 2013 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am emigrating in the Rapture

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posted January 11, 2013 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
Okay darl good luck with that. Has it ever occurred to you that your hatred of the world is part of the problems you see every where? YOUR hate and fear are reflectedback to you...

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Nope

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posted January 11, 2013 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
YOUR hate and fear are reflectedback to you...

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Is this a spiritual principle you adhere to, kat? I disagree with how you are applying it here.

When the Chinese took over Tibet and starting murdering people wholesale, as is their wont, the Tibetans were afraid.

The Tibetans didn't invite the Chinese in with their hate and fear; only after the Chinese began oppressing them did they succumb to terror and hatred.

The situation was so desperate that the Dalai Lama himself was constantly distraught.

If the Dalai Lama was inviting more terror into his country by being terrified of the savages who were taking over, then I would imagine that we are all screwed.

People are afraid because things are getting scary.