posted February 08, 2013 02:33 PM            

among several things that he said, he mention at the bigining of the interview that he thinks the Obama's administration is using the NDAA to cover actions they already carried out, such as killing Anwar al-Awlaqi, a US Citizen, and "a senior talent recruiter and motivator who was involved with planning operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda." source wikipedia

posted February 09, 2013 03:54 PM            

Interview with him begins around 16:00.

* He talks about Obama memo-writer's very "amateur" effort to justify "activities they've already carried out" including assassinations of US citizens.

* Hedges has a strong suspicion that they are already using section 1021 of the NDAA (and he gives technical reasons for that.)

* Quote: "This is a steady march forward in terms of stripping away our most basic civil liberties."

* NDAA wasn't mentioned on major news networks...NY Times was the only news organization that covered the story

* "Long, contiguous process over the past decade, to strip away all our Constitutional rights." (Powers That Be are using 9/11 the same way the Nazis used the burning of the Reichstag, to remove civil protections.)

* "dire, serious, and frightening" changes

Of course, Hedges sees his life as potentially being in danger, because of the ambiguous way the law is written, and how his interactions with members of Al-Qaeda, as a journalist, could be branded as "support."

posted February 09, 2013 07:52 PM            

Is your willpower that weak? It's only been like two days.

Anyhoo...

Kat's interest in this topic seems to be in conflict with her aversion to "doomsday" scenarios, which she continually mocks me for paying attention to.

Your interest and comment might cause "unrest in people's minds."

What's the big difference between Hedges and the "Alex Joneses of the world"?

Not much.

So, apparently, you both think you can talk about the dire state of affairs, and that's fine, but if I do it, there's something fundamentally wrong with my approach.

posted February 09, 2013 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
you also said you didn't like me but wished me happy birthday. are you hypocrit? or polite enough to wish someone's birthday but tell him that you don't like this person?

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Where did I say I didn't like you? YOU said you didn't want to talk to me, I never said I wasn't going to talk to you.

Wished you happy birthday because even though I quarrel with you here, I assume you are a good person, I admire you for learning English and astrology, and I wanted you to have a happy birthday.

I have a somewhat argumentative Aquarius Mercury.

I have an overwhelmingly compassionate Pisces moon.

posted February 09, 2013 08:10 PM            

And one may notice they are being allowed to do so. As for the NDAA, you should hear what rand paul has to say about how that got passed and THEN altered by McCain's committee to remove the protective amendment con cerning due process - that amendment got it thru the senate and then they got blamed for the doctored final version.

I don't care much for rand paul either but everypne has their good points - and should not be written off unless one has proof beyond hearsay and internet articles.

posted February 09, 2013 08:16 PM            

I'm a stay-at-home mother of five, I'm not Chris Hedges, and I resent you for continually insinuating that I am doing nothing, just because I'm not famous.

You don't even know me.

*But*

Seeing as how that's your standard, maybe you can show us the YouTube videos of interviews that RT conducted with YOU? Because you wouldn't dare to express an opinion here without doing serious legwork out in the real world first, and gaining some prominence, would you?

So what activism have you done that gives you your right to an opinion?

posted February 09, 2013 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
There is an NDAA every year and yes, thisis meant to make it legal to strike down targetted enemies ... And it is part of a yearly appropriations bill that, had it not passed would have meant no funding for the military - a situation that the majority of congress would not stand for, even though under bush the wars were not on the books at all.

But the story of bush's credit card wars, the interest for which is a large part of "obama's" deficit, is another subject

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Yes, but you just ignored the whole drama of the Obama administration explicitly asking for new, controversial language to be put in the 2011 NDAA, having Senator Levin reveal that on C-Span, and then having Obama pretend that he regretted the language was there.

As if that didn't happen.

posted February 10, 2013 02:15 AM            

Yes, but you just ignored the whole drama of the Obama administration explicitly asking for new, controversial language to be put in the 2011 NDAA, having Senator Levin reveal that on C-Span, and then having Obama pretend that he regretted the language was there.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/11/1044215/-The-Rest-of-What-Levin-Said-on-NDAA-Provisions
(DiFi=dianne feinstein just in case it's not obvious)

i am not a glutton for drama, in fact i find it is usually used to OBSCURE facts.

you gotta be careful with youtube vids, often posted either INTENTIONALLY to mislead, or out of credulity by people who jump to conclusions.

but remember, when bush was elected, his detractors and conspiracy theorists were SURE he stole the elections, he was going to cancel all future elections and assume permanent residence in the white house, he was hitler, he was going to kill us all after he forced us to eat the bible for breakfast...

sound familiar? just because the shoe is on the other foot doesn't make it any less hysteria. this is how LYNCHINGS get going, not due process, nor does it actually produce any real solutions or even knowledge.

i am tired of soundbites, memes, slogans and easy judgments.

posted February 10, 2013 02:50 AM            

Most activists are not on youtube. Talking heads tend to get swollen.

posted February 10, 2013 01:02 PM            

I'm not trying to knock hedges. he is a journalist of some standing and integrity, not a conspiracy theorist.

posted February 11, 2013 08:26 AM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
NDAA-Provisions]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/11/1044215/-The-Rest-of-What-Levin-Said-on-NDAA-Provisions[/URL]
(DiFi=dianne feinstein just in case it's not obvious)

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I've seen that link before. Shoddy argumentation, not that you are capable of recognizing shoddy arguments, when they defend Obama and seem credible. Bold mine, italics the Obama administration's:

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In this case, there's a lot of digging to be had, starting back in mid-November, when the Administration released this statement in response to the original detainee provisions of the FY 2012 Budget, as drafted by Congress:

The Administration strongly objects to the military custody provision of section 1032, which would appear to mandate military custody for a certain class of terrorism suspects. This unnecessary, untested, and legally controversial restriction of the President's authority to defend the Nation from terrorist threats would tie the hands of our intelligence and law enforcement professionals.

So we have Obama on record as opposing the indefinite military detention of American Citizens; he advocated for the removal of that section outright.

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1) Clearly, here, you see the Obama administaration protesting restriction of his power to detain.

2) To say that Obama is against indefinite military detention is not to say he is against indefinite detention. Not at all! In fact he's clearly saying there, that he wants power to "defend the nation from terrorist threats."

What I gather from that is, he wants the power to do it unilaterally, without military oversight.

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Originally posted by katatonic:
you gotta be careful with youtube vids, often posted either INTENTIONALLY to mislead, or out of credulity by people who jump to conclusions.

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I was careful. You gotta be careful with Daily Kos editorials, which can intentionally mislead as well.

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Originally posted by katatonic:
but remember, when bush was elected, his detractors and conspiracy theorists were SURE he stole the elections, he was going to cancel all future elections and assume permanent residence in the white house, he was hitler, he was going to kill us all after he forced us to eat the bible for breakfast...

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What he did to innocent people abroad is enough to confirm his evil, for me. The way the Patriot Act stole my privacy is evil enough.

Why do you always bring up Bush?

posted February 11, 2013 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:

just saying you don't have to make a living at it to make a difference...Sarah Palin - a mother of five herself - took one time-honoured route starting as a member of the local school board.

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I AM making a difference, and I *don't* have to answer to you.

Especially when you haven't coughed up YOUR list of achievements!!

It's absurd that you even try to shut me up on the grounds that I haven't proved my right to have an opinion.

posted February 11, 2013 09:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I AM making a difference, and I *don't* have to answer to you.

Especially when you haven't coughed up YOUR list of achievements!!

It's absurd that you even try to shut me up on the grounds that I haven't proved my right to have an opinion.

As if it's EVER better to be stupid and uninformed?? ALL people, activist and not, should seek the truth, and promulgate it as best they can.

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Ignore and don't answer stupidities. Randall taught me that and after 4 years of bucking him, I realized he was right

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posted February 11, 2013 09:18 AM            

I can't stand messy communication, I always feel the need to point out the obvious (if it's being ignored) or try and correct assumptions.