posted March 23, 2013 02:22 PM            

Zionism is what people object to, and for good reason, as it strives to overtake and transform the world according to its own agenda. It's an empire of mind, a vision being carried out, usurping other visions. It's only natural for people to express a preference against what threatens to change their circumstances.

AIPAC practically controls Congress. MANY of the members of key conservative think tanks are dual US-ISraeli citizens. So you have to look not only at what's happening in Israel and Palestine, but at Israeli policy dictating US policy.

Consider how Israeli anti-terror groups based out of Philadelphia were spying on anti-gas drilling groups. Israel decides you're a terrorist if you protest fracking in Pennsylania?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0910/Rendell_Deeply_embar rassed_over_spying_on_peaceful_groups.html

posted March 23, 2013 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
How is mission accomplished a bad thing? If anything, it shows Bush chose his background well--unlike Obama who used the king of terrorists for his.

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Oh, certainly their mission was accomplished. Even Bush himself regretted it's use though... then there is that pesky problem with escalation directly after. It is ironic that you do not recognize that.

And who has helped to fully fund the VA? Why, Obama. This country has never taken care of of vets. Paul Ryan seeks to cut funding by 24% Do your research and educate yourself.

posted March 23, 2013 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It's not about the Jews, Ami.

Zionism is what people object to, and for good reason, as it strives to overtake and transform the world according to its own agenda. It's an empire of mind, a vision being carried out, usurping other visions. It's only natural for people to express a preference against what threatens to change their circumstances.

AIPAC practically controls Congress. MANY of the members of key conservative think tanks are dual US-ISraeli citizens. So you have to look not only at what's happening in Israel and Palestine, but at [b]Israeli policy dictating US policy.

Consider how Israeli anti-terror groups based out of Philadelphia were spying on anti-gas drilling groups. Israel decides you're a terrorist if you protest fracking in Pennsylania?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0910/Rendell_Deeply_embar rassed_over_spying_on_peaceful_groups.html

THAT is the kind of thing that makes many people suspicious of Israeli influence.[/B]

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This is stupid, but if people want to believe it, that is their ignorance and I can't be bothered addressing it.

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posted March 23, 2013 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
Randall you don't seem to see that the photo of arafat was there, not by obama's choice but because it was there. One country's terrorist is another's hero. While buzh posing in front od "mission accomplished" waa, i believe, by his choice, and a blatant lie...mission was so far from accomplished it would be funny if not so sad...and expensive to the taxpayers, many of whom were not represented but paid anyway.

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The clown known as Obama is the most powerful man in the word and could tell them to nix the Arafat picture. What the freak universe do you people live in?

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posted March 24, 2013 07:34 AM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
One where diplomacy is as important as the ability to nuke everyone else into oblivion maybe? Thought you didn't like bullies, ami?

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They won't take you away when they take everyone to the FEMA camps. They will make you Czar of Propaganda

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posted March 24, 2013 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It's not about the Jews, Ami.

Zionism is what people object to, and for good reason, as it strives to overtake and transform the world according to its own agenda. It's an empire of mind, a vision being carried out, usurping other visions. It's only natural for people to express a preference against what threatens to change their circumstances.

AIPAC practically controls Congress. MANY of the members of key conservative think tanks are dual US-ISraeli citizens. So you have to look not only at what's happening in Israel and Palestine, but at [b]Israeli policy dictating US policy.

Consider how Israeli anti-terror groups based out of Philadelphia were spying on anti-gas drilling groups. Israel decides you're a terrorist if you protest fracking in Pennsylania?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0910/Rendell_Deeply_embar rassed_over_spying_on_peaceful_groups.html

THAT is the kind of thing that makes many people suspicious of Israeli influence.[/B]

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Thank you Faith!!

It is so not about the "Jews" and objective insights of Israels policy dictating the U.S.`s policy is the key .

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posted March 25, 2013 08:20 AM            

There are the open Jew haters. These would be the Muslims who hold up Nazi signs. These would be that woman who was supposed to get the peace prize but sent out texts rejoicing then the Israelis got killed in Bulgaria. These are open Any Semites. I have more respect for them than I do the covert ones. These people face themselves. The covert ones don't want to see themselves as "haters"

Anti Semitism such as resulted in something like the Holocaust could not have happened JUST by the overt Anti Semites. It took the covert ones i.e the good Germans. There are not enough of the open ones.

The covert ones are the more evil ones, if you want to say that because they will sit back and let the overt ones do what they really want to do, in their hearts, but won't admit.

I am here for the people who have an open mind and heart and and there are many on LL. I will teach those people. To the others, I wash my hands clean because I know that is is hopeless. God can open your eyes but I can't. I won't be back to talk with Juni, Faith et al about this.

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posted March 25, 2013 09:29 AM            

That's WAY off base and inappropriate. I presented you with some true facts about how Isreal wields an inordinate amount of influence in the US. I'm speaking about a limited number of people in the Israeli government and institutions advancing Zionism...not the entire population of Israel and certainly not all Jews.

Just like, when I criticize the US government, I have no intention of implicating all Protestants at the same time.

You wouldn't address what I said; I'm sure you didn't look into my position whatsoever.

posted March 25, 2013 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To be totally real with you guys--Juni and Faith and anyone else who falls in this category( and there are many, many)

There are the open Jew haters. These would be the Muslims who hold up Nazi signs. These would be that woman who was supposed to get the peace prize but sent out texts rejoicing then the Israelis got killed in Bulgaria. These are open Any Semites. I have more respect for them than I do the covert ones. These people face themselves. The covert ones don't want to see themselves as "haters"

Anti Semitism such as resulted in something like the Holocaust could not have happened JUST by the overt Anti Semites. It took the covert ones i.e the good Germans. There are not enough of the open ones.

The covert ones are the more evil ones, if you want to say that because they will sit back and let the overt ones do what they really want to do, in their hearts, but won't admit.

I am here for the people who have an open mind and heart and and there are many on LL. I will teach those people. To the others, I wash my hands clean because I know that is is hopeless. God can open your eyes but I can't. I won't be back to talk with Juni, Faith et al about this.

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To call another anti-semitic, covert and evil because they are not emotionally blinded is tunnel vision.

Yet, I understand. Until one can seperate policy, politics, and the Bible from individuals ie Jews, one can not relate on any other level.

One can love the Jews but not the policy of their Country. Basic

posted March 25, 2013 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
To call another anti-semitic, covert and evil because they are not emotionally blinded is tunnel vision.

Yet, I understand. Until one can seperate policy, politics, and the Bible from individuals ie Jews, one can not relate on any other level.

One can love the Jews but not the policy of their Country. Basic

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10000000% disagree We will have to leave it at that!

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posted March 25, 2013 10:15 AM            

I have explained to such Muslims HOW the state of Israel was founded and how Jordan is the Palestinian state. They AGREE based on the history, which I have showed you here. However, the next minute, they are as Anti Semitic as they ever were. It is a heart issue. That person( and others with covert or overt hatred) have to have God touch their hearts.

I am done here, unless a NEW person has an open minded question. I am always here for that, but for the others, I will pray for you and move on from the subject now.

Blessings

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posted March 25, 2013 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
To call another anti-semitic, covert and evil because they are not emotionally blinded is tunnel vision.

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posted March 25, 2013 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It is also libel.

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It is many things on so many levels I chalk it up to sad ignorance on the part of the offending party.

posted March 25, 2013 03:13 PM            

HOW was Israel and JORDAN founded? Do you know? Do you know from WHERE the "Palestinian" people came? I have answered them in the article. Do you have another answer?

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posted March 25, 2013 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by mockingbird:
I guess my Jewish friends who oppose Israel's more extreme policies are anti-Semetic, then

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And they are covert and evil. I told my Jewish friend about this thread and she was astounded. She does not see it as such(a well educated and spiritual woman) and says there are many who profess the same attitude as the poster..

She, in fact, is against the extreme policies of Israel. So, mockingbird, you are not alone in the state of confusion.

posted March 25, 2013 04:20 PM            

1. How were Israel and Jordan founded?

2. From where do the Palestinian people originate?

Lets start there, Friends

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posted March 25, 2013 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To be totally real with you guys--Juni and Faith and anyone else who falls in this category( and there are many, many)

There are the open Jew haters. These would be the Muslims who hold up Nazi signs. These would be that woman who was supposed to get the peace prize but sent out texts rejoicing then the Israelis got killed in Bulgaria. These are open Any Semites. I have more respect for them than I do the covert ones. These people face themselves. The covert ones don't want to see themselves as "haters"

Anti Semitism such as resulted in something like the Holocaust could not have happened JUST by the overt Anti Semites. It took the covert ones i.e the good Germans. There are not enough of the open ones.

The covert ones are the more evil ones, if you want to say that because they will sit back and let the overt ones do what they really want to do, in their hearts, but won't admit.

I am here for the people who have an open mind and heart and and there are many on LL. I will teach those people. To the others, I wash my hands clean because I know that is is hopeless. God can open your eyes but I can't. I won't be back to talk with Juni, Faith et al about this.

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You are the one who run off and decided a history lesson needs revisited. WE are responding to the quoted post by you.

You`ve already stepped over the line by calling others anti semitic, evil and covert. A reminder would be issued to others for the same name calling so ease up a bit and please rethink before you proceed.