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Ami Anne
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posted March 25, 2013 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a good question. I don't think so.

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posted March 25, 2013 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah. Norway always.

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PixieJane
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posted March 26, 2013 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are we talking socialism as defined by American conservatives? Or as defined by everyone else? They're different animals and as a result have different answers.

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posted March 26, 2013 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Yeah. Norway always.

How is it socialist? I don't know anything about it?

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posted March 26, 2013 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Are we talking socialism as defined by American conservatives? Or as defined by everyone else? They're different animals and as a result have different answers.

Ditto.

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SpooL
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posted March 27, 2013 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How is it socialist? I don't know anything about it?

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Are we talking socialism as defined by American conservatives? Or as defined by everyone else? They're different animals and as a result have different answers.

Keep, in mind there hasn't ever been a "true socialist state".

So I will agree with PixieJane with what she said, socialism according and defined by whom.

There are several countries that have some socialist ideas such as Norway, but aren't socialist in the traditional sense.

Example universities in Norway don't charge tuition and is available to almost all Norwegians

Canada can also be considered socialist because of the fact we have universally health care and is available to anyone.

I think you get the idea...

When you refer to a Socialist State are you thinking more along the lines of Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge? or an Agriumm socialist society?

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iQ
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posted March 27, 2013 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pragmatically Socialist Countries with Liberal Thinking who are successful when considering overall human development:

1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Denmark
4. Finland
5. Venezuela

A recent survey of CEOs and CFOs showed that Norwegian heads refused to take up jobs in Capitalist countries, even when offered excessive pay. That is the satisfaction they get from their Socialist Country.

Russia was also doing very well until they blew funds in the Nuclear Arms Race and then idiotically attempted to conquer Afghanistan.

Socialism will always work when the leadership believes in accountability to a Divine Force. That is where Russia failed.

Capitalism will also work perpetually when compound interest is made illegal, workers rights are given priority and environment is given more importance over profit.

This can be called "Karmic Capitalism"

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PixieJane
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posted March 27, 2013 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Russia was also doing very well until they blew funds in the Nuclear Arms Race and then idiotically attempted to conquer Afghanistan

Yeah, I'm aware that by the 60s they were doing very well for themselves (though America teaches otherwise, but I also learned from Russians that Russia lied about life in the US just as the US lied about life in Soviet Russia) but it doesn't seem that impressive to me given that they lived in a resource rich society after they killed off tens of millions (I think 20 million is a conservative estimate that doesn't include the toll of war) under Stalin. I suppose I should add for Americans that it's true they didn't live in a consumerist society so they didn't have malls or the latest toys as Americans could boast at the time, but many had good jobs and more than one home (the other called a dacha) with plenty of paid vacations which is more than many Americans could boast.

Luckily, when next the state couldn't handle the burden of society it chose to abandon its obligations rather than pulling another Stalin.

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Socialism will always work when the leadership believes in accountability to a Divine Force.

Apparently not always:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangkum

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katatonic
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posted March 27, 2013 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gorbachev attributes the failure of the USSR to CHERNOBYL. more than any other single factor. nuke reactors can be hazardous to a country's health, and we have tons of them - it's amazing how many of them, including one right near DC, are sitting on FAULTS waiting to become the next fukishima...

it's also amazing that someone who has an opinion on whether socialist countries are thriving doesn't know what or who socialist countries are. but i guess rush supplied the first answer.

brazil is also coming up bigtime.

america is a partly socialist country too, and doing much better than a lot of the world coming out of a GLOBAL recession which makes "thriving" a loaded term.

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