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Topic: Obama's Taxes
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MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1188 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 13, 2013 12:42 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324240804578418842282798284.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird Obama paid 18% in taxes this year?
I give him props for giving so much to charity on the side but... 18%? After listening to him for how many years droning on and on and on and on about 'fair share'? I wonder where all the liberals are that were screaming about Mitt Romney's taxes. My FB liberal friends are strangely quiet about it. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1188 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 13, 2013 12:44 AM
oh... this just stings me more considering today we filed our tax extension and so far we owe the feds over $30,000. I don't even want to think about the state taxes we'll owe.IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 2210 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 13, 2013 04:19 AM
According to tax code he is paying his fair share, following the current tax laws. He is not hiding money in the Cayman Islands like Mr. Romney. He wants to change the tax laws by closing tax loopholes for the upper 2%. He has said that many times but the GOP will not pursue that course of action."Revenue is not the problem." How many times have we heard this from Congressional Republicans>? In the wake of the Bush tax cuts, and the Great Recession, tax revenue has fallen through the floor to near-historic lows. As a percentage of GDP, it's fallen 24% since 2001, and if you correct for inflation, the government is collecting nearly 20 percent less per person than it was a decade ago. At the same time, the population-adjusted costs of mandatory spending programs- driven by Medicare, including its new prescription drug benefit, and Medicaid~have increased by over 30 percent. And of course, defense spending has skyrocketed. But if you isolate domestic discretionary programs, a decade later we're spending no more on a per-person basis than we were back then. :edit you mention his charity contributions. I looked it up and he paid 24%- the largest going to housing for family of disabled veterans. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40680 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 13, 2013 07:10 AM
He is not hiding money in the Cayman Islands like Mr. Romney.What flavor Kool-aid do you drink? Grape or Lemon-lime ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Node Knowflake Posts: 2210 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 13, 2013 08:20 AM
Prove it, AAIP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40680 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 13, 2013 09:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Node: Prove it, AA
Node-y It is perfectly legal to put money in the Caymans. Many people do. So, you are supposed to be someone who knows about life. You sure talk a good game. How could you miss this ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1188 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 13, 2013 10:48 AM
I don't doubt that Obama paid what is legal by law. I also don't doubt that he took advantage of every deduction and loophole he could - aggressively. I don't even have anything against THAT except that I find it odd that not many people see the blatant hypocrisy in his actions. That's one thing that always gets me no matter what side the political fence - hypocrisy. If you are going to preach it then live it. I wouldn't even blink at his tax rate if I didn't have to hear for years about the rich paying more and that if you make $250,000 you are RICH so it is your 'patriotic duty' to pay more.I find it odd that all my pals that screamed about Romney not paying enough taxes are completely and utterly silent about this. And not just Obama. Let's be fair. His Vice President is paid the same rate and gave less than 2% to charity. Ya know, I'd give a lot more to charity if I only had to pay 18% tax.
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MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1188 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 13, 2013 10:57 AM
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9874 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 13, 2013 05:36 PM
You have to give to charity FIRST to get the deductions that resuly in the 18%.I'd say obama has a better accountant than you do! And if you don't see the difference between giving 25% to charity, and 10%(like romney) maybe you aren't wanting to... I recently heard a woman talking to rush about how every year she & husband, who make about 80k, receive ALL their tax back due to child credits. It's not just the rich who get off light, and often the diff is in the accountant's expertise... IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 2210 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 13, 2013 07:05 PM
@ AAHow could you miss your proof that Obama has money there? Nice try at deflection. Where is the proof? RE: 24% to charity First, I had a feeling that one would come up quickly. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1188 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2013 02:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by katatonic:
I'd say obama has a better accountant than you do! And if you don't see the difference between giving 25% to charity, and 10%(like romney) maybe you aren't wanting to...
I don't know what the difference in charity donations between Obama and Romney really has to do with anything? I guess I wonder if they do it out of the goodness of their hearts or to get tax deductions to pay as little tax as possible. I don't have a great love of Romney either, btw. It's not like I'm a Republican. Politicians are corrupt and blatant hypocrites. We do have a good accountant. We also have several small businesses so the IRS likes to stick it to us extra hard where ever they can. IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 2210 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2013 02:58 PM
The impetus of this thread was to ask how a person who publicly states "fair share" could call 18% fair.He gave more than his fair share did he not? 18+ 24 ------------ 42 IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1188 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2013 04:22 PM
Interesting. I didn't know when he's been going on about fair share that he really meant we should be giving more to charity. All this time I thought he was referring to taxes.IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9874 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2013 04:46 PM
Moonwitch, if you gave a quarter of your income to charity, your tax bill would also be slashed. But you have to pay it forward...obama has also lowered his pay by 5% to return that taxpayer money to the coffers. Not as generous as JFK, but then he isn't independently wealthy either...and he is a lot less wealthy than the people congress say will emigrate if we raise their taxes.Personally i wpuld hand over 39% or whatever the new tax rate is, but personally i would never run for president! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 7231 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 15, 2013 12:18 PM
quote: We also have several small businesses so the IRS likes to stick it to us extra hard where ever they can.
I don't envy you: Likely tax cheats flock South, West WASHINGTON (AP) — Worried the Internal Revenue Service might target you for an audit? You probably should be if you own a small business in one of the wealthy suburbs of Los Angeles. You might also be wary if you're a small-business owner in one of dozens of communities near San Francisco, Houston, Atlanta or the District of Columbia. A new study by the National Taxpayer Advocate used confidential IRS data to show large clusters of potential tax cheats in these five metropolitan areas. The IRS uses the information to target taxpayers for audits. ... _____________________________ With regard to the subject, I don't know that the Obama's effective rate is different from others making similar amounts. quote: I wouldn't even blink at his tax rate if I didn't have to hear for years about the rich paying more and that if you make $250,000 you are RICH so it is your 'patriotic duty' to pay more.
If one is making $250,000/year and can't handle a tax increase, I think it's time one meets Dave Ramsey. This Christian Conservative will absolutely help one figure out how to live within one's generous means. Or if you could care less about religion or politics, there's always Mr. Money Moustache, who can also teach you have to live within your means. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9874 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 15, 2013 01:24 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2308344/Petronella-Wyatt-Its-hell-posh-poo r.html it's all relative, but this article gives a few hints as to why $250000 seems like so little to some... in some ways those of us who failed to succeed in the treadmill days are doing better than those who did well. because keeping up with the joneses can cost every penny, those who declined to do so but saved and strategized are now in position to feel comfortable... IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9874 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 15, 2013 02:08 PM
A little background on the linked story highlights the point...this woman is complaining about having to live in the suburbs....but the nasty suburb she lives on is one of the most covetted in london and a ten minute subway ride into the heart of town...of course people like herself look down their noses at the idea of riding the "tube"...one of the world's best transport systems.But her point about uber rich foreigners crowding out"old money" is relevant here too... IP: Logged |