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Topic: Do Americans Crave Justice or Revenge in Wake of Boston Bombing?
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 6419 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 17, 2013 04:24 PM
This article speaks on much of the recent posts and which we seek, justice or revenge. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. quote: Passion is often only seen in the polarized sides of the political debates that happen. Each side gets rapped up in their dogmas and fights like heck on behalf of their positions. Anger rises, verbal pushing and shoving happen, and we think this is where the passion and answers are.Maybe the search for truth and justice and love actually is found in a different kind of strength and another form of passion. A passion and strength wrapped in a clear hunger for the truth no matter how it upsets our own preconceived notions. A strength, which stands tall in compassion and kindness and believes justice isn't achieved through violence whether sponsored by a government, a gang or some terrorist organization. People are looking for passion and strength in their lives whether in politics or their partners. A passion and strength that has at its core a desire for truth and treating people kindly and gently. Strength is not held by the loud, angry, abusive and rage filled, though often this is confusing for us. True strength is held by those who can stand in the midst of life storms and sometimes awful tragedies and hold a position firmly of kindness and justice. Where do we start with all this and defining strength differently? Before we can change our politics and institutions, we first need to change who we are ourselves and what we value in others that are part of our intimate circles. When that begins to change, then the world changes. Every we has to start with an I.
rest here>>> http://news.yahoo.com/americans-crave-justice-revenge-wake-boston-bombing-182304804--abc-news-politics.html ------------------ We need to listen to our own song, and share it with others, but not force it on them. Our songs are different. They should be in harmony with each other. ~ Mattie Stepanek IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan Knowflake Posts: 1293 From: New England Registered: Sep 2011
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posted April 17, 2013 05:12 PM
I guess it depends on what types of Americans we're talking about. From what I've discovered from talking to friends and family who live in Boston/MA and around the country, most people just want answers not revenge. Mindsets seem to be changing.I'm sure many of us would like to see the perpetrators brought to justice through the court system etc. After two irresponsible and completely idiotic wars and a global economic collapse over the last decade, I'm sure many Americans are just worn out and are sick of lies and propaganda. People want to rebuild, reform and move forward. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9938 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 17, 2013 05:53 PM
i mentioned belfast yesterday, and i think there is a natural curve that plays out...people get fed up with being trampled on and determine to fight back, and there doesn't seem to be any way to convince them it won't work,but eventually, the "collateral damage" as weighed against the "good fight" becomes glaringly more damaging, and more substantial means of dealing with our differences come to be considered. and interestingly, this doesn't usually happen when the economy is percolating along nicely, but when enough people start feeling ground down, so where we are now is still shy of resolution, but to me it looks like it is coming. boston did prove you don't need an AK## to cause mayhem and bloodshed on a scary scale. it also proved that there are still far too many people in this country who think violence is the solution to something... IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40750 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 17, 2013 06:32 PM
Animals who do something like the Boston massacre are not like you and me. They are like primitive cavemen, morally. They understand retribution. If not, they will keep up these massacres and they won't stop. Trying to be nice to them and placate them is an act of a fool. If clown Obama did not learn this in his failed Mideast policies, he should have.------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9938 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 17, 2013 07:12 PM
who said anything about placating anyone??oh, duh, answer: rush and friends ps. thank you ami, i now know i don't need to listen to rush anymore, i will see what he has been saying by coming here and reading your posts.. IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 2236 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 17, 2013 07:18 PM
In the wake of 9/11 Justice and rule of law have come to mean two different things.I agree with Joan. People are pretty beat up, and have had their strings pulled too many times. CNN today reported that they knew who the bomber was, and then had to quickly retract. I vote for rule of law, and that includes the Guantanamo prisoners. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 7244 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 17, 2013 08:47 PM
quote: True strength is held by those who can stand in the midst of life storms and sometimes awful tragedies and hold a position firmly of kindness and justice.
I agree with most of you. Waiting for the cycle Kat refers to to keep turning. We'll get there. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 6419 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 17, 2013 09:08 PM
Indeed AG ------------------ We need to listen to our own song, and share it with others, but not force it on them. Our songs are different. They should be in harmony with each other. ~ Mattie Stepanek IP: Logged |
SaturnineMoth Knowflake Posts: 2181 From: Gaea's Omphalos Registered: Aug 2012
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posted April 18, 2013 12:02 AM
This American only wants justice. I don't think retaliation will benefit anyone. Especially, since everyone seems to be suspecting this was the act of a lone individual. Who exactly would we be getting our revenge on? Him? (By torture???) If the individual wasn't the mastermind, than I do hope for justice to be extended to the party/person who was with them or giving them their instruction. But, again... I feel the catalyst will be something intangible, and closer to affairs at home, if they acted on something abstract as some have suggested... because of Tax return or Patriot day or what have you... some personal agenda or vendetta that has led them to commit this crime... whatever it may be. I doubt there will be any way to get "revenge" or even true justice. All I see is a big blame game going on from where I am. Lots of questions, no answers, and people jumping to conclusions and old prejudices popping up all over again. Something has to change... vengeance won't do that. Neither will the witch hunting... (which will happen regardless of the "why" once it is determined/if it is determined.) They'll track down every person who had anything to do with "why" this terrible person was left out to wreck havoc on the world, and each of those people will be shunned and everyone will say "tsk tsk", but, overall... there will be no great victory or retribution, or reform. Those are just my feelings... ~___~ Mercy and Justice, not violence, that is what is important to me in any criminal case. But, if someone else's life is put at risk, I don't blame anyone for defending themselves when and if they are confronted with this individual (entity?). If I'm sick of anything, it's the mindless, senseless, waste of innocent lives. So, just because this person may resist capture, when things come down to it, I'd rather the authorities capture them alive, but this person is dangerous, we all know that... the laws of man, and laws of karma are often very different. If his fate, and his desired end happens to be, for instance, taking out as many people as possible with him... the laws of man are to safeguard the innocent and themselves. I keep in mind, that this person may already have died, may be brought to justice through death at the hands of the authorities, and I keep in mind that their death will undoubtedly be questioned by others for one reason or another, if it comes down to that. I wish everyone would think this way beforehand, and keep in mind that while we are looking for justice, that we are also looking for a dangerous individual. I think just because he (or they) used a crude device in that demonstration, does not mean they are incapable of creating an even more devastating device, or prepared to defend themselves. What they have done, it took planning, it was not a flyby operation, it was not a impromptu car jacking or mugging... Everyone keeps mentioning the sophistication of the devices as though it indicates the intelligence of the perpetrator(s), few have stated how well conceived, and drawn out the actual event was, and certainly in the media they press the notion that such unsophisticated devices are being used to emphasize and profile someone with not so great capability/understanding; but, I'm sure there would be those (at least on the federal level), who would know how dangerous it is to underestimate your enemy. I am not religious, in that, while I believe in mercy, I do not believe in mercy unearned (not religious mercy). If they show me this person is entirely unstable, if they show me a person who had their arm twisted behind their back by another devious being, if that person were to come forward (not be a coward) and take responsibility for this heinous misdeed, that's when mercy, to me, is a consideration. Right now, though... I have to say, justice... is the only thing I see them as deserving. As an American, as a human being... I cannot look at the images of the three lives lost already, and not feel anger at those responsible. But, I would never act on anger. I don't think all Americans would restrain themselves... again, as I look at these innocent souls, I think of their own kinfolk, I think of everyone in Boston at that time... and I wouldn't blame, not one of them, if they did act in anger. That's just me. I think more Americans feel that way, angry, I don't see the majority having an idealistic view or temperament towards the culprit, nor do I see many being as pragmatic as I consider myself to be toward them/this tragedy... just a lot of anger and fear. Fear and anger in the past have only resulted in negative solutions, negative outcomes... idealism, while something to strive for, tends to yield no results at all. Constitutional justice is the one fall safe median between the two extremes, and either way, some people are bound to not be pleased with the outcome. Justice is the lesser of the two evils at this point in time, this day in age. I hope that it is upheld, but have many doubts. So I can only speak for myself. This American wants justice. ~sorry so long winded... I have no wit (brevity). It's late and I'm exhausted, may edit tomorrow when as least some of my brain is functioning in full form. (apologies~) tc~ everyone! (g'day/g'night!) <3 IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9938 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2013 12:21 AM
i agree, SM, though the ingredients are easy and cheap to procure, and the bomb itself "unsophisticated", many well organized/trained groups also use them.and the VERY sophisticated fact about these bombs is they are VERY HARD TO TRACE. easily planted even in a crowd.. no lack of intelligence is indicated here. (lack of)mental stability, yes, but cunning is one of the hallmarks of this hit. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 27035 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2013 12:03 PM
Tragic beyond words. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 27035 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 19, 2013 07:06 AM
They appear to be college students. One dead after three explosions on campus and a shootout with police. Another at large. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/04/19/boston-marathon-bombing_n_3114693.html IP: Logged |
mockingbird Knowflake Posts: 1513 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 19, 2013 07:11 AM
I'm currently listening to WBUR: http://tun.in/seqh6 Up-to-date and local. ------------------ If I've included this sig, it's because I'm posting from a mobile device. Please excuse all outrageous typos and confusing auto-corrects. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9938 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 19, 2013 01:03 PM
so the same guys were in the MIT shite too? sorry i am running late, can't listen to a bunch of clips just following the jist of your posts here this morning...IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 9306 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 19, 2013 01:08 PM
Boston is on lockdown atm. People arent supposed to leave home or go to work unless they really have to. The city looks like a ghosttown.TV news just said some type of controlled explosion is expected in Cambridge, where the two brothers had lived...... IP: Logged |
jellyfishtry Knowflake Posts: 45 From: UK Registered: Apr 2013
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posted April 19, 2013 03:01 PM
hmmm if i may add my two scents worth.... it is sad that human lives were sacrificed for whatever this wanted to achieve...but am reading too much into numbers and i don't buy the official story. neither because of the ritualistic number the day adds up to, or because it seems too convenient that it happened on the day the gold markets crashed like they hadn't in decades. i think it is also convenient that one of the accused is killed and the other has a blockbuster movie chase associate with him (was the cop killing in December/Janurary in California practice for this?) To me as an outsider from all parties involved....only two things are facts, one that innocents have been killed, and 2 that whatever 'reply' to this event will show who really did it (even if these 2 are still the accused) and what their true motives are. maybe am just someone who can't forget how Hitler accused Dutch marxist Marinus Van Der Lubbe, of burning the Reichstag all on his own...simply because that was an event he needed for his 'future plans'...so there you go...it's been more than 10 years since 2001 and 'they' need something new to further their plans...if am not wrong even Linda Goodman said tht for a short while NWO will take over, but it wont lost as long as they think it will.
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jellyfishtry Knowflake Posts: 45 From: UK Registered: Apr 2013
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posted April 19, 2013 03:10 PM
oh to add am expecting anything this Monday (this says Monday now right??)...for crazy ppl with world domination plans the special thing with 9-11 was that both 9 and 11 are special numbers and adding the 2001, we get a 23......most of you know about that....then this Saturday is 22 which is up one master number from 11 and the day adds up to a 32 (the same number as 23 and the next number to add up to a 5 from it)..... so yes wrong forum huh? or my sneaky way of getting more people interested in numbers lol. I think if most ppl stop bickering and focus on loving not accusing one another, things may turn out to the peoples not the psychos advantage this next week! that is only if one isn't enjoying where this is leading of course...as to each their own. okay will go rest after a long day of mixing apples with pomegranates or oranges or whatever... IP: Logged | |