posted April 19, 2013 04:24 PM            

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not talking about his intelligence. a med student presumably has a desire to help people, save lives, DO NO HARM. something is wrong with this picture.

the father thinks his son is being framed. i would NOT put that past the boston police who often strike first and think later...

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posted April 19, 2013 04:36 PM            

Did you know that chechen separatists fighting Russia also wore bombs strapped to their bodies?

posted April 19, 2013 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

People who strap bombs on themselves have the trademark of Muslim terrorists. I don't think I have seen it in other groups and it is classic for them

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I think what you were implying was a Muslim terrorist is more likely to sacrifice themselves and turn themselves into a weapon, for example crashing a car full of explosives and killing themselves, Thats the trademark.

But, any terrorist would strap bombs to themselves, therefore its incorrect to strictly define it based on strapping bombs to themselves.

There is a more likely chance that Muslims are suicide bombers, but its not a 100% science. I can't say all suicide boomers are Muslims.

Your from California Ami, would you like me to say that all Californians are surfers, higher likelihood, but not always true or if I dare to say, call all Catholic Priests as child molesters. There is a high chance, but not always true.

I would like to see the prof that the brothers are part of a larger group and not strictly acting on there own accord and initiative.

Real prof, not consequential proof.

100% undeniable evidence you can argue the brothers ethnic background is Chechnya and there could be link but its not 100%.

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posted April 19, 2013 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
So they have taken this kid alive. Let's hope no one offs him before a trial and some evidence or answers can be found...

Apparently EVERYONE who knows him thinks he has a great character and couldn't really have done this...hopefully some truth will be rooted out this time.

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posted April 19, 2013 09:46 PM            

You call yourself an american but you don't know the meaning of our justice system. T
You condemn people on circumstantial or NO evidence without tje least qualm.

posted April 19, 2013 10:24 PM            

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So they have taken this kid alive. Let's hope no one offs him before a trial and some evidence or answers can be found...

Apparently EVERYONE who knows him thinks he has a great character and couldn't really have done this...hopefully some truth will be rooted out this time.

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I'm extremely relieved they've managed the negotiation and surrender, bringing him into custody; so finally those in Boston can begin to return to having some actual peace, security and hopefully, normalcy return to their lives.

Now justice will be served to this young and clearly misguided United States American.

He is not Saudi, he is not even really Chechnyan, his parents are, his older brother was, (and their two other siblings). He achieved naturalized citizenship this past year, and was not born in Chechnya (only by ethnicity is he of this descent), as his uncle explained in his interview (using harsh words and pleas to illustrate his disgust with everything).

I have my reservations about his actual motivation and involvement in everything, not because I believe he is innocent of crimes, but that I honestly feel that the elder brother was (due to his own family's testimonials) the more violent of the two.

There are so many questions, and even the evidence they have collected already has not been divulged to the public yet. (And, I truly hope they do release some of this information or images early, because I'm absolutely fed up with hearing his aunt on my TV, since she's local and quite loud, they've been playing her quite a bit here. I know a good deal of conspiracy theorists but somehow thinking the video of her nephews was somehow altered and fabricated like the moon landing supposedly was, makes me question her more than the authorities who released it. And the mother (of course the father agrees to this sentiment) coming out and agreeing it was a set up but at the same time claiming the older son was already under surveillance, makes me question even more of how well they either know these men and how rational or deluded their understanding can possibly be, given the circumstances in the last 24 hours. The convenience store as well as the campus parking area, I would presume have cameras, most do these days so it's not a big leap of faith to think these two "suspects" would show on these; not to mention any dash cameras during the shoot out/hijacking)... I'm sure the family members (other than the uncle in Maryland who did consider them likely guilty from the start, unlike his siblings), are going to insist all the evidence is staged (probably) no matter what... but, the rest of the world, it will be up to them what to make of it, since families are often biased, even Holmes parents sat beside him and supported him somewhat in his trials... BS neuroscience student Holmes, another American who selfishly ended the lives of fellow citizens...

The thing I'm most curious to hear about is the report (confirmed?) that during the trip his aunt mentioned back to "Russia" a year ago, the older brother had taken off/was unaccounted for by relatives/friends where he was said to have been staying for 8 of those months. (Not to jump to conclusions, but that is the time it takes for basic military training.) And, again, according to his very vocal aunt, it was only since that time that he'd returned and began to observe daily prayer routine. (What could have changed him so that he suddenly began a more orthodox religious practice when earlier in his life he hadn't been so strict?) Again, I'm just very curious to hear these answers, and I hope we will have them given to us as well as to their own families... I do feel for their relatives, even if they have committed this crime, each of their relatives have only said good things (at least about the younger brother), and they definitely do care for them both, and why shouldn't/wouldn't they? Right?! and each of them risked and sacrificed a lot to bring their children, their families over here to escape the very thing they're now suspected of taking part in. (But, again... I hate to draw this parallel, but Holmes was very similar, a father who set very high standards/expectations for his son... and the children of immigrants are often very pressured by those parents. I live with one such child, a 1st generation immigrant, and now I am an immigrant too, I do know something of how hard assimilation is into a new culture, a new country, a new religion. I live this...)

I'm not much for praying but I will hope for the best for each of those families, Sean Collier's, and the fellow officer still hospitalized. And, project as much love and thanks to those in Massachusetts, in Boston, the authorities, the equally brave people, and the newscasters and social networkers who keep us all in touch, as possible. I still have friends in school at Harvard and MIT, I held my breath more than a few times until we could reach each other. <3 So proud to be American, and proud of our justice system, and our brothers and sisters, these courageous countrymen and women.

posted April 19, 2013 10:37 PM            

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.I have my reservations about his actual motivation and involvement in everything, not because I believe he is innocent of crimes, but that I honestly feel that the elder brother was (due to his own family's testimonials) the more violent of the two.

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posted April 20, 2013 12:08 AM            

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You condemn people on circumstantial or NO evidence without the least qualm.

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posted April 20, 2013 02:07 AM            

I blame the older one for manipulating and brainwashing the younger one. He had a scholarship and was medical student but the older idiot influenced him.

This kids life us ruined. He messed up big time.

posted April 20, 2013 06:50 AM            

There is no difference between this Tamerlane psycho and "Joker" Holmes. To link Global Jihadi Fundamentalist terror with this is like saying JFK was hot by a Jihadi, General Custer fell to Jihadis, Jessus was crucified by Jihadis and Abel was stabbed by Al-Qaeda etc.

posted April 20, 2013 08:28 AM            

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he didn't actually know what was going to happen - like, maybe the older brother told him they were smoke or flash bombs.

A stupid prank, but not lethal.

Re: the older brother and the term "jijadi": I'm still going to apply that term to him.
I have little doubt that this was his own personal jihad/struggle, and that in his warped mind it furthered some awful cause by "bringing terror home" to the American people or somesuch.

In other awful effing news, Senator McCain and Graham have lost their ever-loving minds:

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It's still way too early to determine whether Tsarnaev will be tried in military or civilian court. Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham issued a statement arguing that Tsarnaev should be held as an enemy combatant under the "law of war" and thus not entitled to the usual legal rights. That would result in a military commission, but NBC says the White House is determined to make this a civilian trial. CNN quotes Harvard's Alan Dershowitz as skeptical of the senators' approach. "There's no way an American citizen committing a domestic crime in the city of Boston could be tried as an enemy combatant," he said. "It could never happen. And that shows absolute ignorance of the law."

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"There's no way an American citizen committing a domestic crime in the city of Boston could be tried as an enemy combatant," he said. "It could never happen. And that shows absolute ignorance of the law."

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posted April 20, 2013 01:29 PM            

Mockingbird, I understand about feeling sorry for the younger brother. I do too.

The msm won't give us a straight answer about if he was already bleeding to death in the boat (i'm sure they don't even know anyway), or if it was inflicted by the officers that "found him" and all the rounds of gunshots we heard when they did. That's one of the many sketchy details that they dance around.

posted April 20, 2013 02:12 PM            

Juni, Do you feel empathy for the runner who had both of his legs amputated from this lovely boy?
Have I heard any of you talk about these victims? You go on and on about these "deluded" young men who MURDERED Americans. I have not heard any of you say a word about the man in the hospital with no legs, the one in the prominent picture.

The world is falling apart when American citizens like you, Kat, and AG can worry more about the murderers than the innocent victims. I am disgusted by all of you.

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posted April 20, 2013 02:17 PM            

How dare you say something like that?

Most of us here think that is a given, and just because it wasnt mentioned here in this thread, does not mean we don't feel sorry for those people as well.

Some people know how to stick to the topic being discussed, even when it's gone off track from the OP's.

Who in their right mind would not feel sorry for those victims too?

posted April 20, 2013 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:

It seems he didn`t have his Miranda rights read to him and that potential still exist?

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...I can see the utility of that, but I'd also be interested to know when that went on the books.

(I'm just taking a break right now to make lunch - then it's back to working on an expanded chicken coop )

posted April 20, 2013 02:19 PM            

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[b]I am disgusted by all of you.

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posted April 20, 2013 02:22 PM            

no one is empathizing with the suspects, but wanting some FACTS before they condemn anyone or decide what actually happened.

but to you that is empathy with the probable perps. you know nothing but you have made up your mind. even when presented with people's explanations you prefer to be disgusted.

never mind that beck has more than once admitted that he is a PERFORMER for RATINGS and not a journalist, that oreilly has admitted he talks about what he is TOLD TO by fox...and on and on and on. THESE are your heroes?