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Venusian Moon
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posted April 19, 2013 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Russia's Chechnya has long terrorist connections

File photo by Russian Television Channel via AP
Hostages sit with their weapons in the school in Beslan, Russia, taken during the early part of the siege which began on Sept. 1, 2004, and ended with over 300 people dead.

by Ray Locker and Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY

Published: 04/19/2013 01:17pm

Chechnya, the Russian republic whose struggle against Russia inspired the two brothers suspected of the Boston Marathon bombings, has been the center of violent separatist uprising and bloody bomb-related killings for decades.

But "mainstream Chechnyan mujahedin have not traditionally been a direct threat to the United States," said Evan Kohlmann, chairman of Flashpoint Global Partners, a New York-based international security consulting firm. Several other organizations do recruit Chechen fighters, however, he said.

He said the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and one of its splinter groups, the Islamic Jihad Union, both have recruited Chechen, Turks and other non-Arab Muslims to fight with them against U.S. forces in Afghanistan. According to Kohlmann, both of these groups are based in the Waziristan tribal area of Pakistan, "and these groups can be just as radical as anything al-Qaeda puts out."

"They have a strong animus against the United States," Kohlmann said.

But he cautioned against making any assumption at this point that the bombing suspects were recruited and/or trained by foreign terror organizations.

"What happened (in Boston) is within the capability of two relatively sophisticated, homegrown individuals," Kohlmann said. "These two people seem to have come out of nowhere."

David Schanzer, a terrorism expert at Duke University, said the attack appeared to be "homegrown" and that the suspects appear unsophisticated and without ties to or training from international terrorist groups.

"The fact that they needed to rob an ATM to get money (suggests) they didn't get large amount of outside funding. They had no escape plan to leave the country," Schanzer said. "These are hallmarks of people who are not particularly sophisticated. I don't see this as a highly planned plot. They seemed to be making this up as they go along."

Several links have been identified between Chechen guerrillas and al-Qaeda, according to an analysis by the Council on Foreign Relations.

Despite the two suspects' apparent affinity for the Chechen cause, anti-separatist Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said there was no link between his country and Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the two brothers suspected of the Boston bombings.

"We don't know the Tsarnaevs, they did not live in Chechnya. They lived and studied in America," Kadyrov said Friday. "It has become habitual, everything that is happening in the world is connected to Chechens. Blame the Chechens."

Kohlmann sent a post on his Twitter feed Friday that the official arm of the Chechen mujahedin has denied any connection between them and the Boston suspects.

Ruslan Tsarni of Montgomery Village, Md., the uncle of the two brothers, said the family was ethnic Chechen.

Most of the Chechens' acts have come in Chechnya, Russia or neighboring republics.

STORY: Details emerge on 2nd suspect in Boston bombings

FULL COVERAGE: Boston Marathon explosions

Among the most shocking acts of violence was an attack in the neighboring republic of North Ossetia in 2004, where militants seized a school and, in the three-day siege that followed, more than 300 were killed, most of them children.

The attack was ordered by Chechen separatist leader Shamil Basayev, who was himself killed in a 2006 bombing believed to have been conducted by Russian internal security forces.

Militants from Chechnya and other restive regions have targeted Moscow and other areas with bombings and hostage-takings for more than 20 years. The republic is predominantly Muslim and has waged two wars with Russian security forces since the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991.

President Vladimir Putin has often stressed that al-Qaeda is linked with Chechen fighters. According to the Council on Foreign Relations analysis, a Chechen warlord is said to have met with Osama bin Laden while both were fighting against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan from 1979-89.

Authorities have also found links between Chechen separatists and other Islamist terrorist groups. The U.S. Justice Department said in a 2004 report that Zacharias Moussaoui, who was convicted for his role in the 9/11 attacks, had previously sought to recruit at least one man to fight in Chechnya. Intelligence officials in France had warned the FBI of Moussaoui's connection to the Chechen fighters.

Violence dates back to the years after World War II when the Soviet leader Josef Stalin crushed a revolt there during the Nazi invasion and in 1944 deported the entire Chechen population to Siberia and Kazakhstan. They were allowed to return to their homeland in 1957.

Shortly after the Soviet Union's collapse, Chechnya declared independence from Russia, a move that eventually led to war from 1994-1996 when tens of thousands died and Russian regained control of the republic.

The Tsarnaev family reportedly fled Chechnya for nearby Kazakhstan and, later, the United States.

Fighting broke out in Chechnya again in 2000 when Russian forces destroyed much of the republic's capital city of Grozny in a bid to crush resistance. With the killing of key militant leaders, the separatist movement has been quelled, although violence in the region continues.

Chechen militants have committed sporadic large-scale attacks in Russia since the 1990s. In March 2010, Chechen terrorists claimed responsibility for bombings on the Moscow subway system that killed more than 40 people. In June 2010, the State Department added Chechen rebel Doku Umarov, who claimed responsibility for the March subway attack, to its terrorist list and froze his assets.

A 2008 report by the Congressional Research Service said in 2007 Russian security forces ran 850 sweeps through Chechnya that involved surrounding entire villages and searching every house. "Critics of the operations allege that the troops frequently engage in pillaging and gratuitous violence and are responsible for kidnappings for ransom and 'disappearances' of civilians,' " the report said.

Of the region's almost 1.3 million residents, ethnic Chechens make up about 95%, according to Russian government statistics. The rest are a combination of ethnic Russians and other ethnic groups from nearby countries and regions.

Contributing: Brad Heath and Thomas Frank in Washington and Kevin McCoy in New York; Anna G. Arutunya in Moscow.

Copyright 2013USA TODAY

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2095995

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posted April 19, 2013 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
these brothers were CHILDREN when they came here.

granted what has been going on is horrendous, but the CITY OF BOSTON ON LOCKDOWN? can we say something is way out of proportion here??

IF these two BOYS were the perps, one is already dead. so BOSTON and watertown and cambridge are shut down to find ONE person,

a pre med student who supposedly is training to SAVE LIVES is the cause of bringing a major metropolitan area to a standstill?

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posted April 19, 2013 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
Russia's Chechnya has long terrorist connections

File photo by Russian Television Channel via AP
Hostages sit with their weapons in the school in Beslan, Russia, taken during the early part of the siege which began on Sept. 1, 2004, and ended with over 300 people dead.

by Ray Locker and Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY

Published: 04/19/2013 01:17pm

Chechnya, the Russian republic whose struggle against Russia inspired the two brothers suspected of the Boston Marathon bombings, has been the center of violent separatist uprising and bloody bomb-related killings for decades.

But "mainstream Chechnyan mujahedin have not traditionally been a direct threat to the United States," said Evan Kohlmann, chairman of Flashpoint Global Partners, a New York-based international security consulting firm. Several other organizations do recruit Chechen fighters, however, he said.

He said the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and one of its splinter groups, the Islamic Jihad Union, both have recruited Chechen, Turks and other non-Arab Muslims to fight with them against U.S. forces in Afghanistan. According to Kohlmann, both of these groups are based in the Waziristan tribal area of Pakistan, "and these groups can be just as radical as anything al-Qaeda puts out."

"They have a strong animus against the United States," Kohlmann said.

But he cautioned against making any assumption at this point that the bombing suspects were recruited and/or trained by foreign terror organizations.

"What happened (in Boston) is within the capability of two relatively sophisticated, homegrown individuals," Kohlmann said. "These two people seem to have come out of nowhere."

David Schanzer, a terrorism expert at Duke University, said the attack appeared to be "homegrown" and that the suspects appear unsophisticated and without ties to or training from international terrorist groups.

"The fact that they needed to rob an ATM to get money (suggests) they didn't get large amount of outside funding. They had no escape plan to leave the country," Schanzer said. "These are hallmarks of people who are not particularly sophisticated. I don't see this as a highly planned plot. They seemed to be making this up as they go along."

Several links have been identified between Chechen guerrillas and al-Qaeda, according to an analysis by the Council on Foreign Relations.

Despite the two suspects' apparent affinity for the Chechen cause, anti-separatist Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said there was no link between his country and Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the two brothers suspected of the Boston bombings.

"We don't know the Tsarnaevs, they did not live in Chechnya. They lived and studied in America," Kadyrov said Friday. "It has become habitual, everything that is happening in the world is connected to Chechens. Blame the Chechens."

Kohlmann sent a post on his Twitter feed Friday that the official arm of the Chechen mujahedin has denied any connection between them and the Boston suspects.

Ruslan Tsarni of Montgomery Village, Md., the uncle of the two brothers, said the family was ethnic Chechen.

Most of the Chechens' acts have come in Chechnya, Russia or neighboring republics.

STORY: Details emerge on 2nd suspect in Boston bombings

FULL COVERAGE: Boston Marathon explosions

Among the most shocking acts of violence was an attack in the neighboring republic of North Ossetia in 2004, where militants seized a school and, in the three-day siege that followed, more than 300 were killed, most of them children.

The attack was ordered by Chechen separatist leader Shamil Basayev, who was himself killed in a 2006 bombing believed to have been conducted by Russian internal security forces.

Militants from Chechnya and other restive regions have targeted Moscow and other areas with bombings and hostage-takings for more than 20 years. The republic is predominantly Muslim and has waged two wars with Russian security forces since the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991.

President Vladimir Putin has often stressed that al-Qaeda is linked with Chechen fighters. According to the Council on Foreign Relations analysis, a Chechen warlord is said to have met with Osama bin Laden while both were fighting against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan from 1979-89.

Authorities have also found links between Chechen separatists and other Islamist terrorist groups. The U.S. Justice Department said in a 2004 report that Zacharias Moussaoui, who was convicted for his role in the 9/11 attacks, had previously sought to recruit at least one man to fight in Chechnya. Intelligence officials in France had warned the FBI of Moussaoui's connection to the Chechen fighters.

Violence dates back to the years after World War II when the Soviet leader Josef Stalin crushed a revolt there during the Nazi invasion and in 1944 deported the entire Chechen population to Siberia and Kazakhstan. They were allowed to return to their homeland in 1957.

Shortly after the Soviet Union's collapse, Chechnya declared independence from Russia, a move that eventually led to war from 1994-1996 when tens of thousands died and Russian regained control of the republic.

The Tsarnaev family reportedly fled Chechnya for nearby Kazakhstan and, later, the United States.

Fighting broke out in Chechnya again in 2000 when Russian forces destroyed much of the republic's capital city of Grozny in a bid to crush resistance. With the killing of key militant leaders, the separatist movement has been quelled, although violence in the region continues.

Chechen militants have committed sporadic large-scale attacks in Russia since the 1990s. In March 2010, Chechen terrorists claimed responsibility for bombings on the Moscow subway system that killed more than 40 people. In June 2010, the State Department added Chechen rebel Doku Umarov, who claimed responsibility for the March subway attack, to its terrorist list and froze his assets.

A 2008 report by the Congressional Research Service said in 2007 Russian security forces ran 850 sweeps through Chechnya that involved surrounding entire villages and searching every house. "Critics of the operations allege that the troops frequently engage in pillaging and gratuitous violence and are responsible for kidnappings for ransom and 'disappearances' of civilians,' " the report said.

Of the region's almost 1.3 million residents, ethnic Chechens make up about 95%, according to Russian government statistics. The rest are a combination of ethnic Russians and other ethnic groups from nearby countries and regions.

Contributing: Brad Heath and Thomas Frank in Washington and Kevin McCoy in New York; Anna G. Arutunya in Moscow.

Copyright 2013USA TODAY

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2095995



Good job. I was looking for something valuable to post and you beat me to it. I love accurate info on here, as some like to slant things

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posted April 19, 2013 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well whoever they are, whether these boys are the perps or not,

once again the terrorists have WON. does anyone understand what is entailed in locking down a major metropolitan area for an indefinite amount of time?
the amount of money and productivity of all kinds jettisoned?

the liberty to go outside impinged?

now while it is nice of them to warn people there may be gunfire and it might be unsafe, how long do you need the streets deserted and the city sealed off to catch one kid?

and what will happen to people who choose to go about their business?

can we expect the rest of america to be locked down every time there is an incident like this?

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posted April 19, 2013 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Chechnya has a violent history but isn`t it stretching to make a connection to an 8 year old boy as possibly influenced by that history?

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"What happened (in Boston) is within the capability of two relatively sophisticated, homegrown individuals," Kohlmann said. "These two people seem to have come out of nowhere."

David Schanzer, a terrorism expert at Duke University, said the attack appeared to be "homegrown" and that the suspects appear unsophisticated and without ties to or training from international terrorist groups.



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posted April 19, 2013 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Chechnya has a violent history but isn`t it stretching to make a connection to an 8 year old boy as possibly influenced by that history?

It's the family.

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posted April 19, 2013 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kat, you are on the wrong side of just about every issue. The lockdown is necessary to prevent more deaths. They killed a police officer and stole his vehicle, hijacked another car, and were throwing bombs out of the window. SWAT teams from multiple states are there helping out. They have to catch this guy before it becomes a hostage situation.

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posted April 19, 2013 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am staying kpen to possibilities, randall, and NOT taking sides. So thanks for telling me once again what you think of me and people who do not jump.to conclusions, especially the conclusions YOU want to endorse.

But what you think of me is your biz not mine!

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posted April 19, 2013 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lock down i agree with. They were throwing grenades at the cops!!!!!

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