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Topic: Republcans Urge Obama To Treat Bombing Suspect As "Enemy Combatant"
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 27176 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 20, 2013 05:34 PM
Republican lawmakers issued a statement Saturday urging President Barack Obama to treat Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, as an "enemy combatant." Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) and Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said Tsarnaev "clearly is a good candidate for enemy combatant status" in a statement posted to Graham's website. "We do not want this suspect to remain silent," the lawmakers said in their statement. After Tsarnaev was captured Friday night, the AP reported a Justice Department official said he would not be read his Miranda rights because the government is invoking a public safety exception. Graham, McCain, Ayotte and King praised that decision in their statement. "A decision to not read Miranda rights to the suspect was sound and in our national security interests," the lawmakers said. The term "enemy combatant" refers to those individuals that the U.S. believes it is able to hold under the laws of war until the war comes to an end, which could be a long time off in the case of the so-called "war on terror." After Obama took office, his Obama administration developed a new standard for holding detainees in Guantanamo Bay, which did not use the term "enemy combatant" but rather relied upon the Authorization for the Use of Military Force passed by Congress in September 2001. Graham first suggested Tsarnaev be labeled an "enemy combatant" on Friday in a series of tweets. "If the #Boston suspect has ties to overseas terror organizations he could be treasure trove of information," one tweet said. "The last thing we may want to do is read Boston suspect Miranda Rights telling him to 'remain silent,'" said another. He reiterated his point in a Facebook post Saturday morning. "Now that the suspect is in custody, the last thing we should want is for him to remain silent. It is absolutely vital the suspect be questioned for intelligence gathering purposes," Graham wrote. "We need to know about any possible future attacks which could take additional American lives. The least of our worries is a criminal trial which will likely be held years from now." These four Republicans aren't the only ones making this request. Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) also urged Obama to "do the right thing" by labeling the suspect an "enemy combatant." "This is not an ordinary criminal case, and a brief interrogation under that exception is wholly insufficient. Our courts, including the Supreme Court, allow detaining and interrogating terrorism suspects as enemy combatants, regardless of citizenship, and there is no reason to not follow that precedent here," Chambliss said. "I urge this administration to do the right thing and deem this suspect as an enemy combatant so that we get as much intelligence as legally possible before the suspect is mirandized." Read the lawmakers' full statement below: The suspect, based upon his actions, clearly is a good candidate for enemy combatant status. We do not want this suspect to remain silent. We are encouraged our High value detainee interrogation team (HIG) is now involved and working to gather intelligence about how these terrible acts were committed and possibility of future attacks. A decision to not read Miranda rights to the suspect was sound and in our national security interests. However, we have concerns that limiting this investigation to 48 hours and exclusively relying on the public safety exception to Miranda, could very well be a national security mistake. It could severely limit our ability to gather critical information about future attacks from this suspect. We should be focused on gathering intelligence from this suspect right now that can help our nation understand how this attack occurred and what may follow in the future. That should be our focus, not a future domestic criminal trial that may take years to complete. The public safety exception is a domestic criminal law doctrine that allows questioning of a criminal suspect without Miranda warnings for a limited time and purpose. We hope the Obama Administration will consider the enemy combatant option because it is allowed by national security statutes and U.S. Supreme Court decisions. We continue to face threats from radical Islamists in small cells and large groups throughout the world. They have, as their primary focus, killing as many Americans as possible, preferably within the United States. We must never lose sight of this fact and act appropriately within our laws and values. This post has been updated to clarify the meaning of "enemy combatant." Ryan J. Reilly contributed to this report. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/boston-enemy-combatant_n_3123163.html IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 27176 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 06:48 PM
Since he is a naturalized citizen, it is against the law to treat him militarily, so it was decided to try him as a civilian.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 7268 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 08:06 PM
Yeah, the legal experts I saw tackle this question roundly thought the notion was absurd.IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 5176 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted April 22, 2013 08:34 PM
How about we do to him what his Chechen Muslim brethren do to Russian soldiers? Dismember one finger/toe at a time until he talks. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40876 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2013 08:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: How about we do to him what his Chechen Muslim brethren do to Russian soldiers? Dismember one finger/toe at a time until he talks.
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 10032 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 08:45 PM
And the russians are innocent of mass murder of chechens, right? Another example of how showing no mercy scares the rebels into submission? Not.Mass gassings, tanks rolling over villages (and their inhabitants)..what exactly does russia want to keep Chechnya for anyway? That kind of oppression generally creates a nation of insurgents...just as the cossacks inspired the revolution and reign of terror. IP: Logged |
PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 2077 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted April 22, 2013 09:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: How about we do to him what his Chechen Muslim brethren do to Russian soldiers? Dismember one finger/toe at a time until he talks.
Because we'd rather keep the high ground rather than sinking to their level? And because there's no point in fighting monsters if you become a monster yourself?
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mockingbird Knowflake Posts: 1534 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 22, 2013 09:06 PM
And, last but not least, he's an American - like it or not.It's funny how some who are (rightly) wary of the scope and parameters of domestic drone action against terrorists can be a-ok with throwing due process out the window when it suits their thinking. ------------------ If I've included this sig, it's because I'm posting from a mobile device. Please excuse all outrageous typos and confusing auto-corrects. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40876 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2013 09:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: Because we'd rather keep the high ground rather than sinking to their level? And because there's no point in fighting monsters if you become a monster yourself?
I hate that ridiculous attitude. That is what allows tragedies to happen. Being a wimp invites aggression. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 6475 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 09:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I hate that ridiculous attitude. That is what allows tragedies to happen. Being a wimp invites aggression. Being"bigger that they are" with animals like this is like walking into a wild pit bull cage and saying "eat me"
Acting like a monster is terrorist behavior of the highest order. Mockingbird,, PJ ------------------ We need to listen to our own song, and share it with others, but not force it on them. Our songs are different. They should be in harmony with each other. ~ Mattie Stepanek IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 527 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 09:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: How about we do to him what his Chechen Muslim brethren do to Russian soldiers? Dismember one finger/toe at a time until he talks.
How about the so called leaders of the free world and guardians of the flame of democracy don't sink to that primitive, bloodthirsty level? IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 10032 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 09:25 PM
No one could call russian treatment of chechnya "wimpish" in fact stalin would be quite proud. And how has israel's aggressive tactics towards the arabs worked out for ya? Funny there was no radical jihadist army in the 40s.I am pleased to see the republicans proving i was right, mccain and his merry gang are itching to throw outdue cause and the white house is insisting on it. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40876 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2013 09:27 PM
Acting like a monster is terrorist behavior of the highest order. You are so ignorant about what is going on that it is amazing. I hope you don't have to learn a long, hard lesson about what you are dealing with.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40876 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2013 09:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by katatonic: No one could call russian treatment of chechnya "wimpish" in fact stalin would be quite proud. And how has israel's aggressive tactics towards the arabs worked out for ya? Funny there was no radical jihadist army in the 40s.I am pleased to see the republicans proving i was right, mccain and his merry gang are itching to throw outdue cause and the white house is insisting on it.
To bring up Israel is totally stupid. I told you all the history but you wanted to block it out for some reason ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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shura Knowflake Posts: 527 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 09:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I hate that ridiculous attitude. That is what allows tragedies to happen. Being a wimp invites aggression.
Sorta like Daniel in the lions den, ami? Where is your religion now? Where are your morals? Where is your Christian faith? You can't do the devil's work in Christ's name. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40876 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2013 09:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by shura: Sorta like Daniel in the lions den, ami? Where is your religion now? Where are your morals? Where is your Christian faith? You can't do the devil's work in Christ's name.
I will have to REPOST my article on Christians and righteous anger ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 10032 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 09:37 PM
And you, dear, are morphing into a snarling self-righteous nazi before your own eyes. Thw terrorists have already defeated you, if you discard your humanity in the name of revenge and all our principles in your eagerness to squash the enemyIP: Logged |
mockingbird Knowflake Posts: 1534 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 22, 2013 09:37 PM
There's a really great movie called Bloody Sunday.Came out about a decade ago, worth a watch. ------------------ If I've included this sig, it's because I'm posting from a mobile device. Please excuse all outrageous typos and confusing auto-corrects. IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 527 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 09:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I will have to REPOST my article on Christians and righteous anger
A Christian soldier fights with honor. Torturing your captive is a cowardly, dishonorable act. IP: Logged |
mockingbird Knowflake Posts: 1534 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 22, 2013 09:41 PM
Before I go on to more domestic pursuits: We're a nation of laws. That is what we *are*. Our sovereignty is not based upon God nor upon a line of Kingship, but upon our founding documents and upon our laws. If we forget that, we forget ourselves.
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NativelyJoan Knowflake Posts: 1301 From: New England Registered: Sep 2011
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posted April 22, 2013 10:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by mockingbird: We're a nation of laws.That is what we *are*. Our sovereignty is not based upon God nor upon a line of Kingship, but upon our founding documents and upon our laws. If we forget that, we forget ourselves.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40876 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2013 10:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by shura: A Christian soldier fights with honor. Torturing your captive is a cowardly, dishonorable act.
These pigs need whatever it takes!
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shura Knowflake Posts: 527 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 10:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: These pigs need whatever it takes!
Yes. Pigs! Piggy! Kill the Piggy! Your bloodlust is showing, ami. And why conceal the truth? Go ahead, feed it. Indulge the demon. IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 527 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted April 22, 2013 10:39 PM
"What is better - to have rules and agree or to hunt and kill?"Ami sharpened a stick at both ends. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 40876 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2013 10:47 PM
Christians are not wimps, my friend! We live on the earth where one has to fight one's enemies in the manner in which one's enemies understand. Sorry to disappoint you, Shura but this kid believes in the tactics of the Russian mafia. You send the grandmother home in a box ONE time and no one messes with you. If the USA had that mentality, these pigs would not bomb Boston, The World trade Center or anyplace else and hundreds of lives would be saved, then and now and in the future ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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