posted April 29, 2013 09:35 AM            

The so-called "ghost money" was meant to buy influence for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) but instead fuelled corruption and empowered warlords, undermining Washington's exit strategy from Afghanistan, the newspaper quoted U.S. officials as saying.

"The biggest source of corruption in Afghanistan", one American official said, "was the United States."

The CIA declined to comment on the report and the U.S. State Department did not immediately comment. The New York Times did not publish any comment from Karzai or his office.

"We called it ‘ghost money'," Khalil Roman, who served as Karzai's chief of staff from 2002 until 2005, told the New York Times. "It came in secret and it left in secret."

For more than a decade the cash was dropped off every month or so at the Afghan president's office, the newspaper said.

Handing out cash has been standard procedure for the CIA in Afghanistan since the start of the war.

The cash payments to the president's office do not appear to be subject to oversight and restrictions placed on official American aid to the country or the CIA's formal assistance programs, like financing Afghan intelligence agencies, and do not appear to violate U.S. laws, said the New York Times.

There was no evidence that Karzai personally received any of the money, Afghan officials told the newspaper. The cash was handled by his National Security Council, it added.

U.S. and Afghan officials familiar with the payments were quoted as saying that the main goal in providing the cash was to maintain access to Karzai and his inner circle and to guarantee the CIA's influence at the presidential palace, which wields tremendous power in Afghanistan's highly centralized government.

Much of the money went to warlords and politicians, many with ties to the drug trade and in some cases the Taliban, the New York Times said. U.S. and Afghan officials were quoted as saying the CIA supported the same patronage networks that U.S. diplomats and law enforcement agents struggled to dismantle, leaving the government in the grip of organized crime.

In 2010, Karzai said his office received cash in bags from Iran, but that it was a transparent form of aid that helped cover expenses at the presidential palace. He said at the time that the United States made similar payments.

The latest New York Times report said much of the Iranian cash, like the CIA money, went to pay warlords and politicians.

posted April 29, 2013 10:38 AM              

Reagan compared them to our founding fathers. It's amazing that the payments just keep on going but rumour has it that our real role over there is protection of the poppy fields...

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posted April 29, 2013 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The difference is that Israel does not bring in terrorists and Saudi Arabia does.

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The Israeli government is a terrorist state. This is well documented. Would you like to discuss? Where should we start? hmmm so many choices, so many choices ...
Lets take a walk down memory lane, shall we?I vote for Operation Susannah.

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posted April 29, 2013 06:25 PM            

Blessings

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posted April 29, 2013 07:30 PM              

This last incidrnt smacks of russian involvement if anything, not "saudi nationals". But some people believe yhat all israelis are jews and all muslims are arabs.

Were the Weathermen muslims? No. Are the kkk?

As in chechnya, a lot of american blacks brcame muslim to remove themselves from the "christian" establishment that actively suppressed and repressed them in their search for independent identity.

posted April 29, 2013 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
We have always aided the taliban ..

Reagan compared them to our founding fathers. It's amazing that the payments just keep on going but rumour has it that our real role over there is protection of the poppy fields...

And yet one young man who apparently agreed with reagan was thrown in jail with a very long sentence for being among them when we went over there.

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posted April 30, 2013 08:25 AM            

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Argentina

In 1960, the Mossad discovered that the Nazi leader Adolf Eichmann was in Argentina. A team of five Mossad agents led by Shimon Ben Aharon slipped into Argentina and through surveillance, confirmed that he had been living there under the name of Ricardo Klement. He was abducted on May 11, 1960 and taken to a hideout. He was subsequently smuggled to Israel, where he was tried and executed. Argentina protested what it considered as the violation of its sovereignty, and the United Nations Security Council noted that "repetition of acts such as [this] would involve a breach of the principles upon which international order is founded, creating an atmosphere of insecurity and distrust incompatible with the preservation of peace" while also acknowledging that "Eichmann should be brought to appropriate justice for the crimes of which he is accused" and that "this resolution should in no way be interpreted as condoning the odious crimes of which Eichmann is accused." Mossad abandoned a second operation, intended to capture Josef Mengele.

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posted April 30, 2013 07:36 PM            

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15 of the 9-11 hijackers are from Saudi Arabia, the one Nation other than Israel that can have their way with USA without fearing any retaliation..

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That`s part of the reason Operation Susannah occurred without retaliation.
One hand washs the other in the politico game

posted April 30, 2013 07:47 PM            

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Argentina

In 1960, the Mossad discovered that the Nazi leader Adolf Eichmann was in Argentina. A team of five Mossad agents led by Shimon Ben Aharon slipped into Argentina and through surveillance, confirmed that he had been living there under the name of Ricardo Klement. He was abducted on May 11, 1960 and taken to a hideout. He was subsequently smuggled to Israel, where he was tried and executed. Argentina protested what it considered as the violation of its sovereignty, and the United Nations Security Council noted that "repetition of acts such as [this] would involve a breach of the principles upon which international order is founded, creating an atmosphere of insecurity and distrust incompatible with the preservation of peace" while also acknowledging that "Eichmann should be brought to appropriate justice for the crimes of which he is accused" and that "this resolution should in no way be interpreted as condoning the odious crimes of which Eichmann is accused." Mossad abandoned a second operation, intended to capture Josef Mengele.

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posted April 30, 2013 09:31 PM            

In 1960, the Mossad discovered that the Nazi leader Adolf Eichmann was in Argentina. A team of five Mossad agents led by Shimon Ben Aharon slipped into Argentina and through surveillance, confirmed that he had been living there under the name of Ricardo Klement. He was abducted on May 11, 1960 and taken to a hideout. He was subsequently smuggled to Israel, where he was tried and executed. Argentina protested what it considered as the violation of its sovereignty, and the United Nations Security Council noted that "repetition of acts such as [this] would involve a breach of the principles upon which international order is founded, creating an atmosphere of insecurity and distrust incompatible with the preservation of peace" while also acknowledging that "Eichmann should be brought to appropriate justice for the crimes of which he is accused" and that "this resolution should in no way be interpreted as condoning the odious crimes of which Eichmann is accused." Mossad abandoned a second operation, intended to capture Josef Mengele.

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posted May 01, 2013 07:40 AM            

Wonderful, courageous, laudable, magnificent and pure genius of course. I would expect nothing less from my people of whom I am very proud.Would you like me to list the accomplishments of my people, what and whom they have brought to the world It would take up all of LL, let alone all of GU.

Funny how the other thread I was going to do in DD would take up all of DD and all of LL, too. What a contrast

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posted May 01, 2013 10:14 AM            

No Race is Immaculate. If every Jewish born person is perfect, why would a Baruch Goldstein do what he did? Going back 2000 years, why would any Jew take part in the Crucifixion of Christ if just being Jewish made him perfect enough to always do the right thing?
Josef Mengele was far more wicked than Eichmann, why was Mengele spared?
And what happened to all the courage and bravery in 1940s Germany? Why did the rich Jews flee and allow millions of the poor Jewish families to be mauled by the Nazis?
Where is the honor in that?

Simple, they are just as human as the rest of Earth's Races. All Races are the exact same in matters of Spiritual Level. They have good and bad. Nobody has more good or less bad, percentage wise it is always the same.

Fact: Bad Arabs attacked innocent Jewish Families in the 1929 Hebron Riots. Hundreds of Jews were saved from certain death. By who? British Police who shot down rioters and Arab Muslim Families who hid Jews in their homes. By what mathematical logic should an Arab be even slightly less than a Jew for having the courage to save Jews from the bad of his own people?
Fact 2: More than 100 British Police and Soldiers were killed in cold blood by Jewish Terrorists between 1944 and 1948.
What do we tell their wives and children? That the chosen people of God pumped bullets into their skulls? The very people who helped the founding of Israel?

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posted May 02, 2013 04:27 PM            

1. Anyone can convert to Judaism.
Just like the Khazars of Central Asia, who converted to Judaism due to the efforts of their King in the medieval ages.

2. Jews DO NOT have to accept Jesus Christ in any way whatsoever. They do not need to believe in the virgin Birth nor in Christ as Son of God nor in Christ as Savior.

3. Any convert to Judaism thus need not accept Christ. Christ thus becomes irrelevant to being God's people and for Spiritual Redemption as long as one believes in the 10 Commandments and accepts Abraham, Isaac and Moses as Prophets of God, eats Kosher and follows the Sabbath Laws.

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posted May 02, 2013 04:54 PM            

3. Any convert to Judaism thus need not accept Christ. Christ thus becomes irrelevant to being God's people and for Spiritual Redemption as long as one believes in the 10 Commandments and accepts Abraham, Isaac and Moses as Prophets of God, eats Kosher and follows the Sabbath Laws.

Yes, this is all true. I am a Messianic Jew. I am a Born Again Christian while completely retaining my Jewish identity and roots. I am the best of both worlds
Messianic Jews are what is referred to as "the remnant" in the Bible.

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posted May 02, 2013 06:43 PM              

Meanwhile terrorism, if committed by jews, or israelis anyway, is heroism.

"two faces have i, i, i..." To quote a pop song of the 60s.