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posted May 02, 2013 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 02, 2013 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 02, 2013 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what is the definition of "sharing faith" ?

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posted May 02, 2013 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And for this we can thank the right wing evangelical bullies plowing their way through our military forces. Job well done!

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posted May 02, 2013 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
And for this we can thank the right wing evangelical bullies plowing their way through our military forces. Job well done!

If this is the type of "sharing" then it should be banned and greatly punished!

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posted May 02, 2013 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Pentagon has confirmed that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith – this includes Chaplains!

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posted May 02, 2013 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our Chaplains didn't do much religious promotion.

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posted May 02, 2013 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wake up, Friends.

The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”.

The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.

(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)

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posted May 02, 2013 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obviously, Christians are the first to be persecuted, but never the last in these kind of things. You know I joke around on here, but this is not funny

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posted May 02, 2013 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
U.S. military should put religious freedom at the front


By Sally Quinn, Published: April 26

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is worried about the Pentagon budget, but there are much more serious issues he must deal with. Religious proselytizing and sexual assault are at the top of the list.

In late March, as reported in the New York Times, Hagel held a conversation with a group of sergeants and petty officers who were concerned about military issues. He told them, “Remember, you always have a friend in the secretary of defense.”

Now is the time for Hagel to step to the plate and prove that friendship by eliminating all discrimination in the military.

“The armed forces are on the verge of falling apart,” Larry Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, told me in an interview. Aside from proselytizing, he said, other problems include “sexual assault, suicides, lowering entrance standards and war weariness. They are in trouble, and the leadership is oblivious.” Sexual assault and proselytizing, according to Wilkerson, “are absolutely destructive of the bonds that keep soldiers together.”

Wilkerson was speaking to me in an interview with former ambassador Joe Wilson and the head of the private Military Religious Freedom Foundation, Mikey Weinstein. They were on their way to a meeting at the Pentagon on April 23 where they would discuss religious issues in a group that included several generals and a military chaplain.

The chaplain’s role, according to Wilson, “is to minister to spiritual needs. You don’t proselytize. It’s a workplace violation.”

Weinstein told me after the Pentagon meeting that military leaders need to understand that “there is systematic misogyny, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in the military.” He said it is all part of the same culture.

“This is a national security threat. What is happening [aside from sexual assault] is spiritual rape. And what the Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason. It should be punished.”

“The chain of command is compliant,” said Wilkerson. “Abuse of power is inimical to all military. Condoning of sexual assault or proselytizing is an abuse of command.” The idea of “zero tolerance,” he said, is “the most mocked phrase in the military. It camouflages a lot.”

The proselytizing they referred to is primarily from “dominionist” or fundamentalist evangelical Christians. Weinstein’s organization has 33,000 clients, and 96 percent are Christian. These clients come to him to complain about having their religious freedom undermined in some way.

The most recent outrage, he said, was reported by a West Point cadet who wrote to Weinstein to say that after the Boston bombings, an active-duty instructor said in class that he would “bet his life on the Muslims having been behind it like they always are. It’s always the Muslims and everyone knows it, and everybody is afraid to say it. Well, I am not.”

That’s just one or many complaints.

● Recently, an Army commander in Europe overturned a jury’s conviction of an officer for sexual assault, despite the fact that the decision was unanimous.

● So called “Jesus rifles,” with gun sights inscribed with Bible quotations, were used in battle by troops. The MRFF fought successfully to have the New Testament passages removed.

●Last year, Marine officers at a U.S. base changed the name of their fighter attack squadron from “Werewolves” to “Crusaders,” with a cross and shield as an insignia. MRFF fought the change after receiving many complaints from Marines. MRFF won, and the squadron is back to Werewolves.

●A chaplain in Afghanistan recently was the target of complaint for sermonizing to troops, including Afghan soldiers, that they had approximately 2,000 days to live and needed to “get right with Jesus.”

●Weinstein even got the military to force an officer to remove an atheist bumper sticker from his car. An evangelical Christian complained about the sticker, which bore a drawing of Satan and a Christian fish.

The stories are legion. Most complainants don’t want to be identified for fear their careers would be destroyed or, worse, for fear for their safety, even their lives.

Weinstein himself once received a letter from the wife of an Air Force sniper who told him her Bible group prayed every day for him to end up in hell on fire and screaming with his friends, “the homos, the muslems [sic] the communists and the leftists. And the gun lovers and the abortionists.”

After demands from Weinstein, the Air Forced published, but has yet to distribute, a 27- page document, which includes a cover sheet that states: “COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PUBLICATION IS MANDATORY.”

“Leaders at all levels,” the document says, “must avoid the actual or apparent use of their position to promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion.” It even suggested that noncompliance could result in court-martial.

According to Weinstein, this has not been backed up.

“You need half a dozen court-martials real quick,” Wilson said.

Meanwhile, the complaints continue.

What must stop is the concept that America needs to conquer the world for Christ. An example that Weinstein gave: The Officers Christian Fellowship, in a posting on the Naval Academy’s Web site, promoted the idea of Christian officers exercising biblical leadership to raise up godly military ambassadors for Christ in uniform empowered by the Holy Spirit. “They are trying to create a spiritually transformed U.S. military,” said Weinstein.

The offensive passage was taken down after he complained, Weinstein said.

At the meeting at the Pentagon, according to Weinstein, Air Force Lt. Gen. Richard C. Harding said the instruction booklet, scheduled to be released in a few weeks as a blue pamphlet, will be a panacea to all religious issues.

Weinstein’s reaction? “I said that I don’t want to hear about blue books. What is stopping Secretary Hagel from putting out a letter that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated? Where are the commanders? And [an announcement] that the moment someone goes against the ruling they will immediately be court-martialed?”

The meeting ended on a positive note, according to Weinstein. “I said, ‘What is needed gentlemen, is leadership.’ ”

Which brings us back to Hagel telling that group that they would always “have a friend in the secretary of defense.”

Prove it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/us-military-should-put-religious-freedom-at-the-front/2013/04/26/c1befcea-ade2-11e2-8bf6-e70cb6ae066e_story_1.html

I think Mikey Weinstein is way over the top at times with the way he presents things. It seems plausible that he does have a significant amount of letters about the inappropriate mingling of religion in the pursuit of military aims, though.

He doesn't need court martials, though. That's misguided and over-reaching. He just needs leaders to enforce a religious neutrality. That's it.

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posted May 02, 2013 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow situation is though out there :/

Forcing religion should be STOPPED and those why dare force others must be imprisoned!

its blackmail! They claim for their freedom while crushing the freedom of others under their heels! Army (just like the state) should not be joined with religion.... i speak from experience....

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posted May 02, 2013 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My step daughter and son in law are both enlisted. Three tours of Afghanistan and one of Iraq between them. According to them and their military friends I've spoken with, the evangelical/born again Christian crowd are multiplying and highly vocal. They've heard an earful, to put it politely. Both being atheists, I suppose they're prime targets. As my son in law recently said to me, "It's like they're prepping us for a religious war."

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The extremists are already fighting that war.

And, they are winning. It makes good copy. Therefore that small but highly vocal minority is receiving traction w/ the press both print/ telly & internet.

The situation w/ females who face sexual assault is another can of worms that these same factions seek to keep a lid on.

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posted May 02, 2013 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AA has gotten the news wrong enough times and evangelicals don't hesitate to bear false witness that I just don't believe this at all.

However, evangelicals in the military were trying to force people (including at taxpayer expense) to accept Christ by infuriating means (trying to FORCE conversions), and I could see THAT being addressed. Again, evangelicals wouldn't hesitate to bear false witness as they so often do to make it sound like something completely different than it is, because they're liars as well as bullies (and by their fruits you shall know them).

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Rear Admiral Vows to Continue Sharing Faith

WASHINGTON—Faith in the military took center stage Thursday at the 62nd observance of the National Day of Prayer in Washington, D.C, as lawmakers and faith leaders gathered on Capitol Hill.

After a series of speakers addressed those gathered at the Cannon Office Building, U.S. Coast Guard Rear Adm. William D. Lee, took the microphone to represent Americans serving in the military. Lee told the crowd he had 10 minutes of carefully prepared remarks, but he decided to leave them in his chair and “speak from the heart” instead. Lee, who described himself as “a man of deep abiding faith who happens to wear a uniform,” went on to defy any efforts to stop military personnel from openly sharing their Christian faith—a topic sparking widespread controversy in the media this week.

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posted May 03, 2013 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
AA has gotten the news wrong enough times and evangelicals don't hesitate to bear false witness that I just don't believe this at all.

However, evangelicals in the military were trying to force people (including at taxpayer expense) to accept Christ by infuriating means (trying to FORCE conversions), and I could see THAT being addressed. Again, evangelicals wouldn't hesitate to bear false witness as they so often do to make it sound like something completely different than it is, because they're liars as well as bullies (and by their fruits you shall know them).



You got it wrong, my dear. Not gonna fight about it, though

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posted May 06, 2013 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bloggers say Pentagon may court-martial Christian soldiers

Our ruling

Recent headlines and articles offered versions of the claim that the "Pentagon confirms they may court-martial soldiers who hold Christian faith."

Instead, a Defense Department spokesman had explained that proselytizing — "unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others" — wasn’t permitted and that punishment for breaking military rules is decided "case by case."

Conservative religious groups argue this means "sharing the gospel" would become a crime. But no policy we saw suggests that the Pentagon would court-martial soldiers "who hold Christian faith." Quite the opposite — much of the language from the Defense Department reinforces the right of military members to practice their religion, as long as it’s in a way that respects others’ belief systems. Chaplains already follow such rules.

Still, there’s a sliver of truth — if you believe your Christian faith compels you to try to convert others in a way people find harassing, it’s possible you could face court-martial, though such a thing has yet to happen.

We rate the claim Mostly False.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/06/blog-posting/bloggers-say-pentagon-may-court-martial-christian-/

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posted May 06, 2013 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It shouldnt just be "possible".

One person worth should not be more than the other so why the beliefs of the person of faith must be respected in this situation (he believes he must share the word)...

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