posted May 05, 2013 09:53 AM            

Home defense was a focus of this year's NRA members meeting, according to the Houston Chronicle. One of the offerings was a well-attended seminar on "Home Defense Concepts" taught by gun safety advocate and firearms instructor Rob Pincus.

In a video clip of the seminar obtained by ThinkProgress, Pincus asks the members assembled where they thought gun safes should be located, in the interest of home defense.

"How about putting a quick-access safe in your kids’ room?" Pincus asks. "We have an emotional push back to that. Here’s my position on this. If you’re worried that your kid is going to try to break into the safe that is in their bedroom, with a gun in it, you have bigger problems than home defense."

As the group laughs, Pincus explains that in a home invasion situation, it makes sense to have a gun stored in a bedroom you're instinctively moving to defend.

"If that alarm goes off and the glass breaks and the dog starts barking, what’s the instinct that most people are going to have, in regards to, 'Am I going to run across the house to get the gun, or am I going to run over here to help the screaming kid?'" Pincus said. "And if I’m going to go to the kid anyway, and I have an extra gun and an extra safe, why not put it in their closet?"

In the past, Pincus has mixed gun safety training with the attitude that when provoked, gun owners must be prepared to use lethal force. Speaking with NPR's "Talk of the Nation" program in February, Pincus told the hosts that his classes focus on scenarios when the homeowner is surprised and required to make split-second decisions.

"If someone presents that firearm, but they're not really willing to use it, they don't need to use it, it can actually cause more of a problem," Pincus said, noting that home defense scenarios rarely play out like they do in the movies.

The Chronicle noted that the audience seemed "divided" on the question of where to hide gun safes. What is more clear-cut is the dangers guns pose to children.

The Asbury Park Press reports that "guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine."

posted May 05, 2013 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Not really. You put them in a safe. When there is a home invasion, the children's bedroom is where parents instictively run to.

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But it all come sback to iressponsible parents using guns....and events with safes being open by children and guns fired have already happened....

I think the NRA should first do background checks on people and pass them through some safety training before they give them guns.

posted May 05, 2013 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Not really. You put them in a safe. When there is a home invasion, the children's bedroom is where parents instictively run to.

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Never heard of that but it makes perfect sense, Randall.

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posted May 05, 2013 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Safe-cracking kids?

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posted May 05, 2013 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Not really. You put them in a safe. When there is a home invasion, the children's bedroom is where parents instictively run to.

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posted May 05, 2013 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Parents have to be careful about that. It makes sense that this would be the best place to have the safe, though.

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posted May 05, 2013 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
except in Hollywood movies, I never heard of home invasion.

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In France, you don't have home robberies

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posted May 05, 2013 05:04 PM            

he says something like :

"when americans go to arabic countries, they come back with a leg missing, when we (french/europeans) go there, we come back with a tajine dish"

Patrick timsit french comic (jew born in algeria)

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posted May 05, 2013 09:47 PM            

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"If that alarm goes off and the glass breaks and the dog starts barking, what�s the instinct that most people are going to have, in regards to, 'Am I going to run across the house to get the gun, or am I going to run over here to help the screaming kid?'" Pincus said. "And if I�m going to go to the kid anyway, and I have an extra gun and an extra safe, why not put it in their closet?"

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What's wrong with having one right beside you? Even if you have a big gun safe then one like this should do nicely for that hypothetical "instant emergency." After all, if a child is already screaming then getting a gun out of his or her room has just become a lot more problematic.

posted May 06, 2013 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
except in Hollywood movies, I never heard of home invasion.

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Home invasions are quite common over here in the states, pire. Especially in bigger cities. Homes get invaded by criminals quite often. I live in an area where it happens even more often than it did where I grew up, in lovely New England, where it also happened in those larger cities (and even smaller towns) quite often as well.

It must be nice to live where you are living.

on topic -

I don't give a **** what the NRA says, I would never store a gun in a kid's room. Whether it's in a safe or not. That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. I hope people don't take this advice seriously without even thinking about it, just because it is advice from the NRA. Grow a brain.

So, great. You spend awhile getting it out of the safe and by that time, the criminal probably already shot or attacked you - now, right in front of your kids.

Or, you get the gun out quickly enough and have to shoot the intruder in front of your kids?

Lovely.

I don't plan on ever owning a gun anyway, but if I did, the last place I'd store it is in a kid's room.

posted May 06, 2013 07:51 PM            

I live in new york. Gun laws are pretty strict here. Alot of new yorkers get in trouble for smuggling guns from down south.

I know a couple of people who have been caught. They always seem to get caught once they reach pennsylvannia for some reason.

Its parents who are irresponsible.

Now storing a gun in a childs room? I think the nra went overboard with that one.

posted May 07, 2013 01:34 AM            

Still, their membership has surged recently, so maybe what I see as trolling tactics is just good marketing, and they've been the experts at marketing for decades. OTOH, I wonder how many members they've lost recently? Perhaps they've lost more than they gained? I know they have at least a few, but I haven't found anything that gives numbers. (One gun owner I know said he wished he hadn't rejected his NRA membership back in the 1980s just because he wanted to quit them AGAIN due to the things they've been saying & doing of late.)

Just to be clear I speak of the bureaucracy, not the volunteers. There are a lot of NRA instructors who are good people but they're not part of the bureaucracy, they just send money to the NRA and do what they'd be doing anyway. Granted, they're pretty much going to march to the beat, even if they cringe a little doing it ("the lesser evil" and all that).

posted May 07, 2013 07:28 PM            

I do close the door when I go to work (not when I'm in obviously) but not that of the cellar where is the washing machine and the freezer, and I leave the bathroom window open for the cats to come back in when they want to.

I wouldn't do tht in paris, that is for sure, nor in the town near my house. no need to create temptations.. but where I live it 's ok. but ultimately, in paris or in my countryside, I would not fear for my life because I would not expect anyone with a gun. really, those who own guns either have a permit for hunting, or they don't and so they don't risk to go in jail just for having a gun for a simple break-in.

posted May 07, 2013 11:17 PM            

When that happens I would hope the parents would at least ensure the weapon isn't armed and store the ammunition is safely stored in a separate place.

That way its not so bad, the child wouldn't be able to do much with the weapon without ammo.

But, there's no guarantee the child whoudn't get the ammunition from an outside source.

As long as the child is old enough and is properly trained with the weapons its not so bad, obviously storing a weapon in a 2yrs old room would be foolishness.

I'm not surprised by some these replies to the this thread, typically American.

By definition of American I say always trying to "sell and market fear" and typical of American culture overall.

The USA is built on the notion that individuals "must arm themselves to the teeth" because of mistrust and fear. Other societies don't have this issue.

If you live in Afghanistan or Iraq its a different story.

Now, the only way to fix the problem is A) everyone has access to a weapon b)Take a way all weapons.

I'm doubtful, option B is going to happen anyway, might as well make it available to everyone.

In other G20 nations this wouldn't be a problem, but Americans are more resistant to losing personal firearms.

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Originally posted by Randall:
Not really. You put them in a safe. When there is a home invasion, the children's bedroom is where parents instictively run to.

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A Safe is no different than a locker or locked front door, its just a deterrence it won't 100% prevent unlawful entrance.

Someone determined enough will gain access.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

In France, you don't have home robberies

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posted May 08, 2013 07:49 AM            

Just saying.

If I had two weapons, it would be a Benelli M4 Super 90 with 7 plus one in the chamber, and a M4 Sopmod with a M203, with 30 in the mag, one in the chamber plus 6 HEDPs. And I don't shoot to maim.

posted May 08, 2013 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
“Nothin' more useless than an unloaded gun.” - Tony Soprano

Just saying.

If I had two weapons, it would be a Benelli M4 Super 90 with 7 plus one in the chamber, and a M4 Sopmod with a M203, with 30 in the mag, one in the chamber plus 6 HEDPs.

Want to be safe, have no guns, period. Otherwise, having guns in a safe is like having cars with no gasoline - useless.

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posted May 08, 2013 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
is it just me or you havent been here for a while? :P

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Just chillin'