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Topic: Obama Knew About IRS Scandal In 2012!
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Randall
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posted May 17, 2013 08:01 PM
  
WASHINGTON — Senior Treasury officials were made aware in June 2012 that investigators were looking into complaints from tea party groups that they were being harassed by the Internal Revenue Service, a Treasury inspector general said Friday, disclosing that Obama administration officials knew there was a probe during the heat of the presidential campaign.
J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, testified alongside ousted IRS head Steven Miller, who did little to subdue Republican outrage during hours of intense congressional questioning. Both defiant and apologetic, Miller acknowledged agency mistakes in targeting tea party groups for special scrutiny when they applied for tax-exempt status, but he insisted that agents broke no laws and that there was no effort to cover up their actions.
Miller only stoked the criticism of many Republicans, who are assailing the administration on a sudden spate of other controversies, as well, even as some Democrats tried to contain the political damage.
"I don't know that I got any answers from you today," Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., told Miller. "I am more concerned today than I was before."
At one point in the day's hearing, Treasury IG George said he had told the department's general counsel about his investigation on June 4, 2012, and Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin "shortly thereafter." But, George cautioned, those discussions were "not to inform them of the results of the audit. It was to inform them of the fact that we were conducting the audit."
After the hearing, inspector general spokeswoman Karen Kraushaar said George "informed Department of Treasury officials that we were looking into the IRS' handling of applications for tax-exempt status, partly due to allegations raised by conservative organizations."
Kraushaar said the disclosure was part of a routine briefing about the office's activities.
The Treasury Department issued a statement Friday saying officials first became aware of the actual results of the investigation in March of this year, when they were provided a draft of George's report, a standard practice.
George's disclosure came before the House Ways and Means Committee in the first of several congressional hearings on the matter. He was joined by Miller, who spoke publicly about the controversy for the first time.
Miller was contrite as he apologized for the actions of agents who singled out conservative political groups for additional, often burdensome scrutiny.
"First and foremost, as acting commissioner, I want to apologize on behalf of the Internal Revenue Service for the mistakes that we made and the poor service we provided," he told the committee. "The affected organizations and the American public deserve better."
But the hearing turned prickly when Miller insisted he did not deceive Congress, though he repeatedly failed to reveal the controversy last year when he was asked about it by lawmakers – even after he had been briefed.
"I did not mislead Congress or the American people," Miller said.
The administration is on the defensive for a trio of issues that are threatening to derail the president's second-term agenda. In addition to the IRS case, President Barack Obama and other officials are being pressed about last September's terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans, and the government's seizure of Associated Press telephone records as part of a leaks investigation.
"Listening to the nightly news, this appears to be just the latest example of a culture of cover-ups and political intimidation in this administration," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the Ways and Means Committee. "It seems like the truth is hidden from the American people just long enough to make it through an election."
Committee Democrats were also critical of the IRS, but several took offense at Camp's assertion that this matter is part of a wider problem within the administration. They noted that there has been no evidence so far that anyone outside the IRS was involved in targeting conservative groups.
"If this hearing becomes essentially a bootstrap to continue the campaign of 2012 and to prepare for 2014, we will be making a very, very serious mistake," said Rep. Sander Levin of Michigan, the top Democrat on the panel.
Levin said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that makes decisions about tax-exempt groups, "should be relieved of her duties." Lerner is the IRS official who made the scandal public May 10 in what Miller said was a planned event at a legal conference.
Obama forced Miller to resign this week though he will remain on the job a few days until a new acting director takes over. Obama named Daniel Werfel, a top White House budget officer, to replace Miller and met with Werfel on Friday.
Miller is a 25-year IRS employee who was a deputy commissioner when the tea party groups were being targeted. In that job, Miller was over the division that dealt with tax-exempt organizations.
He became acting head of the agency in November, when IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman's five-year term expired. Shulman had been appointed by President George W. Bush, a fact highlighted by several Democrats at Friday's hearing.
Camp said Miller's departure wouldn't be enough.
"The reality is this is not a personnel problem. This is a problem of the IRS being too large, too powerful, too intrusive and too abusive of honest, hardworking taxpayers," Camp said.
Two other committees have hearings scheduled for next week, and the Justice Department has launched its own criminal investigation. Miller is also scheduled to testify on Tuesday before the Senate Finance Committee. He will be joined by Shulman and George.
Underscoring the seriousness of his testimony Friday, Miller was sworn in as a witness, an unusual step for the Ways and Means panel.
He told committee members that before the episode became public, he had no contact with the Treasury Department, the White House or Obama's re-election campaign about targeting conservative groups.
"Absolutely not," Miller said.
He surprised committee members when he said "it is absolutely not illegal" for IRS agents to single out conservative groups for additional scrutiny.
"Please don't get me wrong," he added. "It should not happen."
George, the inspector general, backed up Miller's assertion when he said the yearlong investigation did not uncover illegal activity.
"It is not illegal, but it was inappropriate," George said of targeting conservative groups.
George's report concluded that an IRS office in Cincinnati, which screened applications for the tax exemptions, improperly singled out tea party and other conservative groups for tougher treatment. The report says the practice began in March 2010 and lasted in various forms until May 2012.
Agents did not flag similar progressive or liberal labels, though some liberal groups did receive additional scrutiny because their applications were singled out for other reasons, the report said.
The IG's report blamed ineffective management in Washington for letting the inappropriate singling out occur for so long.
Miller said he was notified that conservative groups had been singled out for additional scrutiny on May 3, 2012. After he was briefed, members of Congress repeatedly asked the IRS about complaints from tea party groups that said they were being harassed by the IRS.
But Miller was not forthcoming back then about groups being targeted in at least two letters to members of Congress and in testimony before a Ways and Means subcommittee.
"Didn't this committee have the right to know that groups were treated differently?" asked Rep. Dave Reichert R-Wash.
"I answered all the questions I was asked," Miller replied.
"So your answer is a non-answer, once again," Reichert retorted.
As the hearing drew to a close, Camp, the committee chairman, declared, "I promise the American people this investigation has just begun." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/05/17/irs-probe_n_3295076.html ?1368828434&ncid=mobile1
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AcousticGod
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posted May 18, 2013 11:52 AM
Interesting. It says very little about the title of this thread, and what it does say doesn't imply Obama knew, only that Obama administration officials knew. It doesn't elaborate, though. Interesting about the repeated claims that no laws were broken. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 18, 2013 02:00 PM
It actually would be a violation of US 241 and 242 (depriving someone of rights under color of law). Are you saying Obama isn't synonymous with Obama Administration? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted May 18, 2013 02:10 PM
Yes, I am saying that. 2.65 million people work for the "Obama Administration." "Administration Officials" could mean any number of people. They should have elaborated if the desire was to paint Obama as knowledgeable of the event.They didn't deprive them of any rights, though. They put a quarter of the applications through more scrutiny. They made it more difficult for an admittedly targeted group to obtain a particular right, but didn't make attainment impossible (as far as we know). IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 18, 2013 02:27 PM
I saw an article where Republicans were seeking prosecution for the employees involved. Will try to find it. Not sure what the charge would be. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
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posted May 19, 2013 02:11 AM
From what I understand, the conservative groups that didn't give up after being harassed by the IRS were eventually granted their status -- The fact that they were targeted at all is disturbing. The fact that they were targeted and harassed right before the previous election... disgusting.
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Ami Anne
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posted May 19, 2013 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Yes, I am saying that. 2.65 million people work for the "Obama Administration." "Administration Officials" could mean any number of people. They should have elaborated if the desire was to paint Obama as knowledgeable of the event.They didn't deprive them of any rights, though. They put a quarter of the applications through more scrutiny. They made it more difficult for an admittedly targeted group to obtain a particular right, but didn't make attainment impossible (as far as we know).
You won't think Obama did anything until a drone saying"I am from Obama" hits you in the noggin 
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juniperb
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posted May 19, 2013 05:18 PM
Israel is a world leader in drone technology. Palestinians say Israel uses drones to fire missiles, but Israel does not confirm that.
http://news.yahoo.com/israel-grounds-drone-aircraft-fleet-crash-154105459.html
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doommlord
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posted May 19, 2013 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
[b]Israel is a world leader in drone technology. Palestinians say Israel uses drones to fire missiles, but Israel does not confirm that.
http://news.yahoo.com/israel-grounds-drone-aircraft-fleet-crash-154105459.html
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Have yet to hear about drone missle attacks......
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Ami Anne
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posted May 19, 2013 05:51 PM
Juni sees things with a very selective eye. I have tried to explain things, DL but sometimes people have to touch the stove for themselves.
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juniperb
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posted May 19, 2013 08:00 PM
I don`t create the news Doommlord. I just read it and pass it on.
If you are concerned about the yahoo source, Reuters carries it too.
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Ami Anne
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posted May 19, 2013 08:18 PM
News is twisted like when it calls Muslim terrorists, militants. You can't believe everything you read, Juni  ------------------
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AcousticGod
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posted May 19, 2013 11:36 PM
Ami, you're so silly in your justifications for how other people think. We're not all like you. We don't all just buy in to what people we like are saying. That's YOU.You want to tell me Obama is behind this IRS scandal? Prove it. Otherwise, everything you think is literally speculation. Speculation isn't factual. It's theoretical. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted May 20, 2013 06:53 AM
Indeed AG  Israel has drones. Period. "Israel, the second-largest drone manufacturer after the United States, has flown armed models, but few details are available."
http://www.aticourses.com/blog/index.php/2011/07/05/drone-fleets-the-countries-that-possess-them-and-potential-for-robotic-wars/
But is some folks world, ONLY Obama has drones.
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Ami Anne
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posted May 20, 2013 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Ami, you're so silly in your justifications for how other people think. We're not all like you. We don't all just buy in to what people we like are saying. That's YOU.You want to tell me Obama is behind this IRS scandal? Prove it. Otherwise, everything you think is literally speculation. Speculation isn't factual. It's theoretical.
When Obama gets impeached, that will prove it. If not, there is gonna be one sad kid here  ------------------
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doommlord
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posted May 20, 2013 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
I don`t create the news Doommlord. I just read it and pass it on.
If you are concerned about the yahoo source, Reuters carries it too.
Hehe seems like news are different in every country XD What im saying comes from my perspective and from the news here that im hoping are a more accurate source. I know there are drones but i have yet to hear about bombings made by drones from our side....especially not on palestinians. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted May 20, 2013 01:06 PM
Doommlord, yeah. The second article read "but few details are available."
Every country has covert details/missions they will not share. Israel is not an exception. Some  would be crying in their beer if they actually read legit news and got a round and full picture of global events, political shenanigans and military maneuvers.
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doommlord
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posted May 20, 2013 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Doommlord, yeah. The second article read "but few details are available."
Every country has covert details/missions they will not share. Israel is not an exception. Some would be crying in their beer if they actually read legit news and got a round and full picture of global events, political shenanigans and military maneuvers.
I do wonder how easy it is to hide drone attacks. Anyways i do hear about things here and there (when the army is full of 18 year olds information slips are inevitable) i have yet to hear about drone bombing palestinians... hopefully it will turn out tk be wrong ^^ IP: Logged |
Venusian Moon
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posted May 23, 2013 11:51 PM
If the irs needs to probe corrupt officials then i support them. Happens to regular citizens all the time. Big deal!IP: Logged | |
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