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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2013 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bible study leader Michael Salman is sitting in jail today after his home was raided earlier this week by more than a dozen Phoenix, Ariz. police officers and city officials. His offense? The city says people aren't allowed to hold private Bible studies on their own property.

Read more: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/07/11/arizona-pastor-arrested-jailed-for-holding-bible-study-in-home-his-wife-says-it-defies-logic#ixzz2XMXwEKBe

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posted June 26, 2013 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very scary. Can you imagine if this was done to some other religion

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posted June 26, 2013 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The city says people aren't allowed to hold private Bible studies on their own property

This seems more accurate:

"It came down to zoning and proper permitting. Anytime you are holding a gathering of people continuously as he does, we have concerns about people being able to exit the facility properly in case there is a fire, and that's really all this comes down to."

Read more: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/ 07/11/arizona-pastor-arrested-jailed-for-holding-bible-study-in-home-his-wife-says-it-defies-logic#ixzz2XMnxxE26

Every single time I've heard of being charged with a home Bible study that was the reason why. And it's not just them, all kinds of groups get hit with this. It's actually a challenge for the Rainbow Gatherings to find a place they won't be met right away by the authorities handing out tickets and arresting them for not having the right permits to gather. I expect the authorities (especially in Arizona) are much slower to react to Bible studies than they are hippies.

Zoning laws exist for a reason (besides institutionalized bribery), as explained briefly in the part I quoted. I don't know about this time as FAUX didn't say (nor would I expect them to as they're even less credible than MSNBC) but in earlier cases like this the breaking point was when residents were unable to get into or exit their driveway because of thoughtless people parking in front of them (as there wasn't room, as the area wasn't properly zoned).

That aside, at least this actually happened...

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posted June 26, 2013 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That aside, at least this actually happened...

One could get arrested if they were holding Tupperware parties if zoning was in play or permits required. A Bible or a bowl is all the same when it comes to Laws or rules.

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posted June 26, 2013 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, there's probably more to the story, because while zoning laws are jailable offenses, typically one will only receive a fine. Same as with traffic violations in many states. You get a ticket as a courtesy. You open your mouth, and you go to jail. Most states list traffic offenses as misdemeanors.

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posted June 26, 2013 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could be the repeat offender thing, or possibly something more. Maybe they got loud and rowdy when code enforcement showed up? All they have to do is get a permit. Or better yet, declare themselves a church and exempt the home from property taxes also!

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posted June 27, 2013 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I've heard about this happening before, it's usually after months of nice talking-tos, tickets, fines, and threats.

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posted June 27, 2013 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are shifting from a Judeo-Christian country. We can only stay a democracy if there are such values at it's base.

The founders said that our country could not stay free with immoral men at it's helm. That is why we are losing our freedoms


* Not that it is funny

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posted June 28, 2013 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All they have to do is call themselves a church. Problem solved.

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