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Randall
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posted June 26, 2013 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the IRS probably doesn't want you to know this, but they can't enforce it like they do the income (and to a lesser degree FICA taxes). They can't place liens on your property. They can't withhold the penalty from your tax refund. They can't put you in jail. Of course, you can't go to jail for not paying income taxes anyway! All the IRS can do is sue you. And the most they can sue for is twice the penalty amount. If they win, that is. And if they even sue. I just wanted to clarify that the full power of the IRS isn't weighted with these penalties. Their hands are tied.

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posted June 27, 2013 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't understand Randall. Can you give a concrete example, please?

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posted June 27, 2013 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Starting next year, you will be required to purchase health insurance (unless you meet one of the exemptions). There will be a place on your tax return where you can check a box to indicate such. You could choose to pay the penalty instead (phased in over two years and then raised to keep up with inflation). But unlike taxes owed (after you self-assess yourself by filing a return), this penalty cannot be enforced by the IRS in any way like taxes are. The IRS cannot force you to pay except by civil lawsuit. I doubt that would ever take place. It would not be cost-effective.

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posted June 27, 2013 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In other words, you can refuse to pay the penalty, and you need not fear the IRS. They can 't go after your paychecks, bank accounts, assets, or tax refunds. Conversely, if you owe unpaid income taxes, the IRS can get rather aggressive at collecting it. Much of what they do is based upon fear, intimidation, and taking advantage of the fact that most taxpayers don't know their rights relative to IRS policies. But you can buy the IRS' own Enforcement Manual and see how to affirm those rights while quoting the actual sections that tell them what they can and cannot do. Most of what the IRS says is pure bluff. You can use Affidavits to literally tie their hands. For example, let's say you try to write off something you paid for with cash, but you lost the receipt. They typically won't fully audit you. They will mail audit you. But either way. It could have been discovered through a regular audit. If you don't have the receipt, they can disallow the deduction. BUT if you present an Affidavit, it changes the balance of power. They then have to PROVE that the deduction is false, which is near impossible to do.

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posted August 01, 2013 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A bill is being introduced tomorrow that prohibits the IRS from enforcing any part of Obamacare.

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posted August 03, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The employer portion was postponed for a year, because Obama fears the political repercussions in the election.

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