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Faith Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 28, 2013 09:11 AM
quote: LIBERTY UNIVERSITY in Lynchburg, Va., was founded by televangelist Jerry Falwell. Its publications carry the slogan “Training Champions for Christ since 1971.” Some of those champions are now being trained to pilot armed drones, and others to pilot more traditional aircraft, in U.S. wars. For Christ.Liberty bills itself as “one of America’s top military-friendly schools.” It trains chaplains for the various branches of the military. And it trains pilots in its School of Aeronautics (SOA)—pilots who go up in planes and drone pilots who sit behind desks wearing pilot suits. The SOA, with more than 600 students, is not seen on campus, as it has recently moved to a building adjacent to Lynchburg Regional Airport. Liberty’s campus looks new and attractive, large enough for some 12,000 students, swarming with blue campus buses, and heavy on sports facilities for the Liberty Flames. A campus bookstore prominently displays Resilient Warriors, a book by Associate Vice President for Military Outreach Maj. Gen. (Ret.) Robert F. Dees. There’s new construction everywhere you look: a $50 million library, a baseball stadium, new dorms, a tiny year-round artificial ski slope on the top of a hill. In fact, Liberty is sitting on more than $1 billion in net assets. The major source of Liberty’s money is online education. There are some 60,000 Liberty students you don’t see on campus, because they study via the internet. They also make Liberty the largest university in Virginia, the fourth largest online university anywhere, and the largest Christian university in the world. More than 23,000 online students are in the military—twice as many as students who live on campus. Liberty offers extra financial support to veterans and those on active duty, allowing them to be credited for knowledge learned in the military and to study online from a war zone. Liberty has been turning out “Christ-centered aviators” for a decade. In fall 2011, Liberty added a concentration in Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS, aka drones), making it one of the first handful of schools to do this. Now at least 14 universities and colleges in the U.S. have permits from the Federal Aviation Administration to fly drones, and many institutions, including community colleges, offer drone training. If one chooses to concentrate studies on piloting drones, the load will include a half dozen courses on “intelligence.” Liberty students can also pick up a minor in strategic intelligence and take courses in terrorism and counterterrorism. (Liberty’s school of government brags that Newt Gingrich helped develop its course on “American exceptionalism.”) Currently, the vast percentage of drone pilots are training for war, but that is widely expected to change in the next few years. Congress has instructed the FAA to integrate drones into U.S. domestic airspace by September 2015.
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CatMote Knowflake Posts: 249 From: New Britain, CT, United States Registered: Apr 2013
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posted June 28, 2013 09:14 AM
the big war is coming. thats all i see. ------------------ Sun Aries Moon Pisces Mars Pisces Venus Pisces Mercury Aries Jupiter in Virgo Saturn in Aquarius Pluto in Scorpio Neptune and Uranus in Capricorn Ascendant Libra IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43285 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 28, 2013 09:30 AM
I don't get the point  ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 28, 2013 09:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I don't get the point 
With all due respect, I didn't think you would.  Christians murdering people with drones strikes some people as ironic you know? The drone war is especially heinous because so many civilians and children have been slaughtered by them. Therefore this... "Liberty has been turning out “Christ-centered aviators” for a decade. In fall 2011, Liberty added a concentration in Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS, aka drones), making it one of the first handful of schools to do this." ...is disturbing. However it is consistent with the fact that American Christians have been co-opted by the Neocons and deluded into pushing for endless wars of aggression under the pretense of some kind of "holy calling."
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 28, 2013 09:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by CatMote: the big war is coming. thats all i see.
Care to elaborate on that? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43285 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 28, 2013 10:59 AM
DP------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43285 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 28, 2013 11:06 AM
With all due respect, Faith. You have some messed up theories and I don't have the time, inclination or desire to discuss them with you. Been there and done that  Blessings to you ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 7083 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2013 12:53 PM
No suprise it was founded by Jerry Falwell. He`s as fundie as they come. I was shocked by the article tho. Drones for Christ quote: A campus bookstore prominently displays Resilient Warriors, a book by Associate Vice President for Military Outreach Maj. Gen. (Ret.) Robert F. Dees.
Check out the conference of the Resilient warriors http://www.dnaministries.org/page/Warrior-Resiliency-Conference-39 quote: 4. Going Into the World and Making Disciples This session will train you to begin seeing your role in the military and military family as an opportunity to make disciples world-wide. Phil uses Scripture and exciting examples to inspire and equip you to make disciples in your military relationships, church, neighborhood, and community.
No shame in their game. ------------------ Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. Rumi IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43285 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 28, 2013 01:39 PM
Lucky for you guys I am busy doing a chart so I can't fight with you  ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 7083 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2013 02:09 PM
I don`t fight, never seen Faith fight so I say lucky for you  ------------------ Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. Rumi IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 28, 2013 05:27 PM
Thanks, Juni. All the Christians I know personally are either gung-ho for war in the Middle East and would fully support Liberty's pro-war agenda, or they are just ambivalent. None of them says, "These are human atrocities, this is just wrong." Maybe when the predator drones may their debut on US soil they will have some kind of conversion? At last? IP: Logged |
doommlord Moderator Posts: 2502 From: israel Registered: Dec 2011
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posted June 29, 2013 10:08 AM
My it seems like getting drone operation training is fairly easy now...even here!Too bad religion tries to spread itself by armies (manned or unmanned) as it shows how weak their faith and religion is. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 29, 2013 12:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by doommlord:
Too bad religion tries to spread itself by armies (manned or unmanned) as it shows how weak their faith and religion is.
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jellyfishtry Knowflake Posts: 489 From: LaLa land Registered: Apr 2013
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posted June 29, 2013 03:08 PM
I don't believe this article, it's not from the onion; America's finest news source, so it cannot be true.  (no i really don't have anything better to do today....never mind me) IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 7083 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 29, 2013 03:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by doommlord: My it seems like getting drone operation training is fairly easy now...even here!Too bad religion tries to spread itself by armies (manned or unmanned) as it shows how weak their faith and religion is.
Indeed. When a religion relies on weapons, it shows their weakness. ------------------ Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. Rumi IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer Moderator Posts: 2609 From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Feb 2012
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posted July 01, 2013 11:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I don't get the point 
quote: Originally posted by Faith: With all due respect, I didn't think you would.  Christians murdering people with drones strikes some people as ironic you know? The drone war is especially heinous because so many civilians and children have been slaughtered by them. Therefore this... "Liberty has been turning out “Christ-centered aviators” for a decade. In fall 2011, Liberty added a concentration in Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS, aka drones), [b]making it one of the first handful of schools to do this." ...is disturbing. However it is consistent with the fact that American Christians have been co-opted by the Neocons and deluded into pushing for endless wars of aggression under the pretense of some kind of "holy calling." [/B]
Thank you for posting this. Very creepy. "shudder"
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Lexxigramer Moderator Posts: 2609 From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Feb 2012
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posted July 01, 2013 11:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by juniperb: No suprise it was founded by Jerry Falwell. He`s as fundie as they come. I was shocked by the article tho. Drones for Christ No shame in their game.
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shura Knowflake Posts: 631 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 01, 2013 11:49 PM
The Neocon and Religious Right alliance was one of the most unfortunate political events in recent US history. Truly a match made in hell. No doubt there are many in house battles within the military, but the "holy war" ideology is clearly a major issue. http://www.religiousrightwatch.com/military/ IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 02, 2013 09:38 AM
Interesting link, especially this article: "How much could the DoD save if it stopped trying to save souls?" It's a very hard delusion for Christians to shake: once they believe they are doing God's work by murdering people or supporting war, they don't want to deal with any other way of looking at the situation, because then they'd see the blood on their hands. I used to be sort of like a neocon. Once I realized how wrong I had been, my conscience bothered me for years. Literally, it took me a few years to stop feeling so terribly guilty and stupid. I can imagine that it would be even worse for a Christian. My fundamentalist friend tried to tell me that ALL Muslims harbor in their hearts a plot to kill us (including my Muslim friends) therefore we must get them before they get us. To her, they are all a threat. This same friend tells me I'm going to hell unless I get my act together real soon and accept Jesus as my savior. It's too deranged for me to handle. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 02, 2013 09:43 AM
I strongly believe that the Council for National Policy is at least partly responsible for the nationwide push to reverence the military in churches, recruit young Christians for war, and promote militarism through traditional Christian venues.IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 02, 2013 09:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lexxigramer: Thank you for posting this. Very creepy. "shudder"
You're welcome. Yeah it's scary especially if you are in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Just found this: quote: A study conducted by a US military adviser has found that drone strikes in Afghanistan during a year of the protracted conflict caused 10 times more civilian casualties than strikes by manned fighter aircraft.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/us-drone-strikes-afghan-civilians IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43285 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 02, 2013 04:08 PM
Obama is destroying this county first, Faith. From that root, he is destroying the world. Where is it worse? It is bad everywhere  ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 7083 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 02, 2013 04:37 PM
Obama isn`t doing it alone as long as he has his Christian right drone training! They are working in cahoots. Blame one, blame the other.------------------ Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. Rumi IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 5359 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 02, 2013 04:51 PM
This drone is a "Tier II" MALE UAS (medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned aircraft system). This drone carries the Hellfire missile with a laser designator. This drone is battle tested and ready to wh1p some azz. Onward Christian Soldiers. IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 631 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 02, 2013 09:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: Onward Christian Soldiers.
This hymn is to be sung by those fighting the Great Jihad. It was not meant for little boys with little dicks amusing themselves with yet another pisssing contest. IP: Logged |