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shura
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posted August 06, 2013 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it official now? In the Live Free or Die state of New Hampshire, Occupiers are domestic terrorists. Or ... ah .. "unpredictable people"
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/occupy-free-state-project-dhs-police-concord

"The State of New Hampshire's experience with terrorism slants primarily towards the domestic type," the filing reads. "We are fortunate that our State has not been victimized from a mass casualty event from an international terrorism strike however on the domestic front, the threat is real and here. Groups such as the Sovereign Citizens, Free Staters and Occupy New Hampshire are active and present daily challenges."

The military have become an international police force operating at the behest of multinational conglomerates, while your local police force are becoming a paramilitary force. Everybody happy?

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Faith
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posted August 06, 2013 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the one hand, I think it's downright terrifying that they are calling the Free Staters domestic terrorists. They haven't done anything wrong, not that I can see!

On the other hand, some of these Tea Party types do dream about getting even with Big Brother and are senseless enough to go online boasting about their firepower and what they intend to do with it. There are a lot of frickin' weirdos out there.

Really, it's almost like a civil war would be brewing IF the people were any match for the US military, militarized police, paramilitary, NATO and UN troops. *But* the people, these hardscrabble militias that dream of revenge or whatever grandiose cr*p they are dreaming up...they are no match for the Powers That Be. So there won't be civil war, just insurrection (probably, at some point) and a very draconian crack-down in the aftermath.

*Edited for spelling errors. Transiting sun is opposing my Mercury, short circuiting my brain.

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shura
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posted August 06, 2013 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Free Staters as domestic terrorists kills me. How are they in any way a violent threat? They are not. So why the strong arm response? Actions like the one above further antagonize the potential rebels and fricken weirdos. Essentially, it proves the conspiracy theorists correct. Perhaps they are correct.

I agree that the resistance movement is in shambles. Chest thumping in the face of the military might they're opposing is suicide. I cringe watching them gloat over their basement stockpile of ammo and freeze dried food. Playing right into the feds hand. Armed resistance will do nothing but smoke out the troublemakers. And the average fat lazy American will cheerfully watch those troublemakers hang if it means a return to "peace". Informing the citizen was the original plan. That didn't work. The citizen knows and he's still too be busy eating his Big Mac and playing his video games to give a damn. So what next?


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Faith
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posted August 06, 2013 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's next, you ask?

Am I just stating the obvious when I say that detainment camps and preventive detention for these "domestic terrorists" seems likely? Guilt by association is the name of the game. I go to websites that advertise for the Free State Project so I guess I am dangerous because I know people who know people who know people who are part of that?

I mean, we are whatever they want us to be; when the prison industrial complex comes looking for people to fill the labor camps (and the writing is on the wall), innocence becomes irrelevant. THEY decide what "terrorist" means; you can be a peace activist and that is terrorism. The ball is totally in THEIR court.

Oh here's a good article I was just reading:

Are Police in America Now a Military, Occupying Force?

LOL at your comment about the basement stockpile and freeze dried food! OMG and there are probably millions of people like that.

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shura
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posted August 16, 2013 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
[B]What's next, you ask?

Am I just stating the obvious when I say that detainment camps and preventive detention for these "domestic terrorists" seems likely? Guilt by association is the name of the game. I go to websites that advertise for the Free State Project so I guess I am dangerous because I know people who know people who know people who are part of that?


faith, with any luck we'll be bunkmates.

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I mean, we are whatever they want us to be; when the prison industrial complex comes looking for people to fill the labor camps (and the writing is on the wall), innocence becomes irrelevant. THEY decide what "terrorist" means; you can be a peace activist and that is terrorism. The ball is totally in THEIR court.

It's a business, and that is something that needs to be better acknowledged. I spoke to a black woman yesterday whose brother spent 5 years in jail for possession of two blunts. Two blunts. No prior record. He was 19. Amazing. A life all but destroyed.

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Oh here's a good article I was just reading:

Are Police in America Now a Military, Occupying Force?


Yes, it is. Thank you.

The militarization of our local police forces has been discussed for years in the most mainstream news outlets. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/the-militarization-of-american-police-and-shredding-of-our-constitutional-rights-started-30-years-ago.html
I don't understand how anyone could question the issue, and why more aren't up in arms about it. There was a time when Americans stepped up to the plate. It took time, it took goading, but eventually the problems were addressed. No longer. *sigh* It was a clever move. If you can't move the military home, militarize the cops who are already here.

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AcousticGod
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posted August 16, 2013 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If you can't move the military home, militarize the cops who are already here.

Except that the conspiracy is that the Federal government is taking that action when in cases like this, it's law enforcement itself.

In my previous city, Dublin, CA, I took a civic class that showed us essentially how everything works in the city. One of that city's facilities was the privatized police/sheriff department's command center. I may still have a picture of it somewhere. They bought their first armored vehicle in 2007. Of course, Dublin is in the middle of a nice, suburban area with proximity to Oakland and San Francisco, and the Alameda County Sheriff's Office covers a wide territory (and is available to an even larger territory in case of emergency). The area is not known for harboring militias, so I don't know that the threat of local terrorism was part of the justification (Of course being a private service provider might also afford them the ability to purchase what they please). "Occupy Oakland" was a big thing for awhile, but I don't know that it was ever seen as a terrorist org.

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shura
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posted August 16, 2013 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
[B] Except that the conspiracy is that the Federal government is taking that action when in cases like this, it's law enforcement itself.

Mr Capricorn Man, I don't need to remind you of all people to follow the money, do I? DHS is funding and training these mini armies.

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In my previous city, Dublin, CA, I took a civic class that showed us essentially how everything works in the city. One of that city's facilities was the privatized police/sheriff department's command center. I may still have a picture of it somewhere. They bought their first armored vehicle in 2007. Of course, Dublin is in the middle of a nice, suburban area with proximity to Oakland and San Francisco, and the Alameda County Sheriff's Office covers a wide territory (and is available to an even larger territory in case of emergency). The area is not known for harboring militias, so I don't know that the threat of local terrorism was part of the justification (Of course being a private service provider might also afford them the ability to purchase what they please). "Occupy Oakland" was a big thing for awhile, but I don't know that it was ever seen as a terrorist org.

Dublin isn't alone in its purchase of an amored assault vehicle. And why did the fair and peaceful hamlet of Dublin require a tank, may I ask?

One of many many examples http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/aug/12/armored-vehicle-recently-bought-lawrence- police-fe/

( I like the Newspeak "rescue vehicle" angle )

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shura
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posted August 16, 2013 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I suppose the tanks and swat teams do come in handy ..

CHEROKEE COUNTY, Georgia (CBS ATLANTA) - The parents of a 16-year-old suicidal boy spoke only with CBS Atlanta News’ Wendy Saltzman after their son was gunned down by a police sniper in Cherokee County in May.

Lisa and Nick Messina said their son was killed at the hands of the officers they called for help.

According to his parents, Andrew Messina had a bad day at school and the pressure was so overwhelming, he grabbed a gun and threatened to kill himself.

Lisa Messina called the cops in desperation, hoping an officer would come talk to him. But what arrived was an army of deputies, an armored tank and a sniper.
http://www.copblock.org/23045/suicidal-sixteen-year-old-boy-shot-by-snip er-in-cherokee-county-georgia/

Another suicidal boy:

Members of the regional High Risk Entry and Arrest Team stand behind a police vehicle for protection while moving towards a house inhabited by a teenager who allegedly had a firearm in Spencer on Sunday evening. The HEAT team later entered the house a short time later and discovered the body of the teenager.
http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1987754.html

Again, there are many other examples. This is how our amped up police forces are trained to deal with suicidal teenagers? This is how adults respond to suicidal teenagers???

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AcousticGod
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posted August 16, 2013 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mr Capricorn Man, I don't need to remind you of all people to follow the money, do I? DHS is funding and training these mini armies.

In pursuit of subjecting us citizens to military occupation in the absence of a legitimate foreign or domestic threat?

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Dublin isn't alone in its purchase of an amored assault vehicle. And why did the fair and peaceful hamlet of Dublin require a tank, may I ask?

Technically, I don't think it's a tank, but I don't think Dublin generally has need of one. It exists for the emergency that occurs that requires one.

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I like the Newspeak "rescue vehicle" angle

Why is "rescue vehicle" an impossibility?

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Faith
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posted August 16, 2013 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@shura

Yes, maybe we'll be bunkmates. Jailed for the crime of....um, noticing what's going on?

And those stories are so sad and all too common.

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