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Randall
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posted October 01, 2013 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama is the insurance industry's most powerful pitchman these days as he drums up interest in the health insurance markets opening for business Tuesday. Whatever the merits of his product, there are reasons for the buyer to beware of his rhetoric.

The president is being a bit slippery on the costs of coverage, in particular.

His opponents are taking their own liberties as they talk up the ills of what they deride as "Obamacare" and defend their approach to the budget impasse that threatens to close parts of the government come Tuesday.

On these points, caveat emptor:

OBAMA: "Knowing you can offer your family the security of health care, that's priceless. Now, you can do it for the cost of your cable bill, probably less than your cellphone bill. Think about that, good health insurance for the price of your cellphone bill or less." – Speech in Largo, Md., on Thursday.

THE FACTS: The family coverage you can get for the cost of a monthly cable or cellphone bill is going to expose you to a hefty share of your medical expenses. Looked at in terms of digital communications, it's more like dial-up Internet than 4G.

The cell-phone analogy has become the talking point of the week for administration officials pitching people on the health care markets opening for business Tuesday. Obama said earlier that of every 10 Americans who are uninsured, "six out of those 10 are going to be able to get covered for less than $100 a month, less than your cellphone bills."

He is referring to the cheapest of four major options offered by the new markets, the "bronze" plan. But, just like with auto insurance, premiums aren't the only potential expense for a consumer. Those who choose bronze will have to pay 40 percent of their medical bills out of pocket through deductibles and copayments. A family's share of medical costs could go as high as $12,700 a year, or $6,350 for individuals, on top of those cell-phone-like premiums.

Plans that cost more in premiums have the same caps on annual out-of-pocket expenses, but they cover more of the bills along the way. The platinum plan, which is the best, pays 90 percent of medical bills, for example.

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OBAMA: "Premiums are going to be different in different parts of the country depending on how much coverage you buy, but 95 percent of uninsured Americans will see their premiums cost less than was expected." – Largo, Md., speech.

THE FACTS: Less than who expected? Obama is referring to an administration analysis that finds premiums are coming in 16 percent lower than had been estimated by experts at the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. Independent analysts find similar results. But it's a stretch to suggest that numbers crunched by CBO's experts would reflect the expectations of regular consumers.

The new insurance markets are for people who don't have access to coverage on the job. Many will have been uninsured, and they may be surprised when confronted with potentially significant out-of-pocket costs in addition to their monthly premiums. People in the other big group of customers now buy their own individual policies. Current individual coverage is notoriously skimpy, and "Obamacare" plans will provide broader medical benefits and more robust financial protections if you get sick. Although many consumers will qualify for tax credits to offset their premiums, they are likely to pay more than now because they're getting a better product.

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REP. KEVIN McCARTHY, R-Calif.: "When we started this health care debate, the president led with a very big promise to the American people: If you like the health care that you have, that you currently have, you can keep it." – At a Sept. 20 House Republican rally after passage of the bill that would finance the government on condition the health care law is starved of money.

HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY KATHLEEN SEBELIUS: "The big employers are already in the market. Their plans won't change, and actually that's one thing that we need to remind everybody. If you have insurance with your employer that you like, if it works for you, if your employer is a state or city government, a large employer, if you're in Medicare, if you have veteran's benefits, your patient protections are already in place. Nothing changes in this new market." – CNN, Thursday.

THE FACTS: McCarthy is correct, Obama said exactly that. It was an empty promise, made repeatedly. Sebelius picks her words more carefully but still offers misleading assurances.

Nothing in the health care law guarantees that people can keep the health insurance they already have. Costs can rise, benefits can change and employers can drop coverage.

Insurance policies that are offered must now meet minimum standards, covering more preventive services, for example, and larger employers that don't offer insurance to workers will face penalties when that provision of the law, delayed by Obama, comes into effect. But that doesn't mean the status quo goes on for those who like what they've got now.

Some larger companies are already curtailing their coverage to avoid taxes that start in 2018 on high-value plans, those worth $10,200 or more for individual coverage and $27,500 for family policies. The AFL-CIO, whose member unions had supported the law, now says it is being implemented in a way that is "highly disruptive" to some union health plans, driving up costs for these plans to a point that workers and companies must abandon them.

Continuing a long-term trend, many companies are shifting more costs to employees through higher premiums, deductibles and copayments.

Sebelius is on firm ground in stating that "your patient protections are already in place" because the law contains a range of new protections against lifetime caps on benefits, overly discriminatory pricing and more. But "nothing changes" for those with good insurance? Not so. The landscape is already shifting.

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OBAMA: "Our deficits are now coming down so quickly that by the end of this year, we will have cut them in more than half since I took office." – Sept. 20 speech at Ford plant near Kansas City, Mo.

THE FACTS: Yes, but.

When Obama took office in January 2009, the deficit he inherited was $1.4 trillion. The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated it will be $642 billion for the budget year ending Monday, down by roughly half since Obama became president.

An estimated $78 billion of that deficit reduction comes from automatic across-the-board spending cuts, called sequestration, that began taking effect in March – over Obama's protests. As well, tax increases early this year have brought in more revenue. The economic recovery also has resulted in higher tax payments.

Deficits, though, don't tell much about the country's total indebtedness because they only represent a one-year comparison of revenues and spending.

While annual deficits are declining, the national debt – the accumulation of deficits going back to the days of George Washington – is still rising. It stood at $10.6 trillion the day Obama took office. It's now $16.7 trillion, according to the Treasury Department's Bureau of the Public Debt.

Thus, the national debt has increased by $6.1 trillion under Obama – the largest increase to date under any president, and a reflection in part of the deep recession early in his first term. The next highest was the $4.9 trillion added to the debt during the eight-year presidency of George W. Bush. Despite shrinking deficits, the debt is still rising because the U.S. government still must borrow 19 cents of every dollar it spends.

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OBAMA: "Raising the debt ceiling is not the same as approving more spending, any more than making your monthly payments adds to the total cost of your truck. You don't say, `Well, I'm not gonna – I'm not gonna pay my bill, my note for my truck because I'm gonna save money.' No, you're not saving money. You already bought the truck, right? ... So raising the debt ceiling, it doesn't cost a dime. It does not add a penny to our deficits. " – Speech at Ford plant.

THE FACTS: Raising the debt ceiling is not the same as a consumer merely making monthly payments on existing debt. It's very much like a consumer getting approved for a higher cap on a credit card. It doesn't mean the consumer will necessarily spend more, but it makes higher spending possible.

In the government's case, it has to have a higher credit limit so it can keep borrowing to make necessary payments. Borrowing to pay interest on existing debt as well as the bills is a recipe for deep trouble for consumers. But governments don't – and really, can't – handle their budgets as typical households do, despite the kitchen-table analogies that politicians in both parties love to make.

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SEN. TED CRUZ, R-Texas: "Today, the House of Representatives did what Washington pundits only a few weeks ago said was impossible: A strong bipartisan majority voted to defund Obamacare." – Statement after the Sept. 20 House vote.

McCARTHY: "That's why today when we acted, it wasn't just a group of Republicans, but it was a bipartisan vote. Let me state that again because I want to make sure you write it correctly. (Laughter in the room). It was a bipartisan vote because we're Americans." – At the post-vote House GOP rally Sept. 20.

THE FACTS: Still chuckling.

Bipartisan might be in the eye of the beholder but the vote passing the resolution was far from it.

Only two Democrats voted with the Republican majority, Reps. Mike McIntyre of North Carolina and Jim Matheson of Utah. Only one Republican voted with the Democrats, Virginia Rep. Scott Rigell. The 230-189 vote illustrated bitter partisan divisions, not a harmonious we're-all-Americans moment.

A strong bipartisan vote to do away with the health care law remains impossible.

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HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER ERIC CANTOR, R-Va.: "We're seeing our economy turn from a full-time job economy into a part-time job economy." – Cantor blamed this on "Obamacare" in the House GOP rally after the budget vote.

SEBELIUS: "Actually that just isn't true. What we see is an increase in full-time jobs. There's a decrease in the number of Americans working part-time hours." – On CNN, Thursday.

THE FACTS: Cantor's statement reflects fears of what might happen over time. Sebelius' statement rests on statistics, though selective ones.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics says the number of people working part-time involuntarily – because of slack work or business conditions or because they can't find full-time jobs – was 7.9 million in August. That's down by a hair from a year earlier, when it was 8 million. In that time, the average weekly hours worked also went up marginally. And unemployment overall dropped to 7.3 percent from 8.1 percent. These figures support Sebelius.

Yet involuntary part-time work is up a whopping 75.6 percent since August 2007, when the economy was about to go into deep recession. That supports Cantor's point about change in the job market. Some recent surveys have found a growing number of businesses that are cutting hours for part-time workers to keep them below the 30-hour threshold that places health-insurance obligations on them.

Much of the surge in part-time work, though, came before enactment of the health care law in 2010 or during its earliest stages. The effects of its obligations on employers have yet to take root. For now, the case that "Obamacare" will turn the workforce into a part-time one is anecdotal at best. Also plausible – and speculative – is the possibility that the law will work as its advocates intend and spur jobs by lightening the health insurance burden.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/obama-health-care-law_n_4016084.html

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posted October 01, 2013 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, but will the low information voter SEE it?

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posted October 01, 2013 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will be really interesting to see how the low information voter will spin it, Randall

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posted October 02, 2013 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have an icon for "terrified"?

Randall, and everyone..... I am TERRIFIED!!

In other posts I've mentioned how ALL my 'Medicare' doctors have "dropped" me, or say that they are "retiring"...


OMG!!!!!!! I am isolated and alone as it is, and I am living in a REALLY "bad" area when it comes to any kind of "quality" doctor.

I am Disabled.... 58 years old right now. I have a disability that "was" curable in the 1990s... but NOW they 'only' treat the 'young people'.... don't consider that 'older' deserve their time and attention as my disorder is VERY complex for a mundane-doctor or counselor.

I need a super-sophisticated "specialist"... and THERE ARE NONE OF THESE here where I presently reside. I NEED A RELOCATION to where the 'educated' providers are.

Yesterday and today, I'm finding out [{{was being told by a caseworker}}] that my Medicare is "not" going to work [[in the future]]. [[{In January everyone / }]] I am being [[{will be}]] FORCED into [choosing] an "HMO"-----

[This frightens me because] NONE of the doctors associated with this 'Obama' plan [in my local area] has EXPERIENCE in 'understanding' and 'treating' [my disability]/////// [This could mean that] I could be FORCED into being "subjected" into treatments which [have been proven by research to be] are COUNTER-therapeutic to [this particular already difficult to treat disorder]. -- I've already been through the processes of being "ruled-out" (medically)!!

My experience in this locality is that with hubris they purposely CHOOSE to ignore my medical treatment history and force me to REPEAT CARELESS PROVEN (painful/ really scary/ uncomfortable medical) MISTAKES!! //


I am soooooooo terrified [that this will be IGNORANTLY re-perpetrated on me]!


I NEED to be "relocated" to where their is a "safe" system of "educated" doctors in this field. If I am [to be] FORCED into choosing an HMO, I need to be [relocated to] "where" the HMOs UNDERSTAND my disorder.

BUT AND HOWEVER..... The doctors now practice "therapeutic nihilism"..... i.e. "I'm too old to treat." I've been doing really really really really good since began to work and study astrology for myself since 2007/2008. I can self-therapize well on my own. But NOW, I am [afraid of] being FORCED into a plan that is [known by me to have] caused me HORRENDOUS despair in the past.

I went down this road before in my life. In general, before a person would get diagnosed correctly, they will have spent 7 or 8 years 'suffering' under false diagnoses and treatments.

There are NO DRUGS that I can take to 'cure' my dx. The 'cure' takes being in a Right Relationship with a truly dedicated, sophisticated knowledgeable grounded person.

I'm soooooo sooooo sorry for being such a weepy puss these days. This is TERRRIFYING. I was on the EDGE of success, and OBAMA pulled the floor out from me.... I am left hanging. I am DEVASTATED. This isn't FAIR!!!!

The President THAT I DEFENDED AND SUPPORTED has betrayed me....


Just because more Americans will have Health Coverage DOES NOT MEAN that they will have Quality! ALL THE DOCS around me in THIS AREA where I currently live ARE NOT QUALIFIED to Treat me....///////
What can I do?


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posted October 02, 2013 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The President THAT I DEFENDED AND SUPPORTED has betrayed me...

Yes, I TRIED to tell people but people laughed and mocked. Now, you see. I am sorry for you as a person. I don't mean to use you as a kind of bad example but we tried to tell you, Jwhop, I, Randall and other people.
I am sorry, Mirage. I mean that, Friend and this is not directed at you, per se, but all the people who could not see through Obama.

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posted October 02, 2013 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage, I am confused. How does a 58 year old get Medicare?

And as per your description, you have been going through this for years. It sounds horrific, but what does it have to do with the ACA which hasn't gone into effect yet??

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posted October 02, 2013 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dearest Ami Anne.... You know, "at first" he "seemed" so "Real".... He talked the Vision of America that my heart and soul ACHED deeply to see.

But now, it could be true, what you say? That he is a fluff!

Oh friend-Ami.... Some of your 'humor' when you were 'playing' with all that extremist 'religious stuff' just made me skip-over whatever you would say about Obama.

Some people who know me locally here can't figure me out.... I can see the PLUS and the MINUSSES of Each Party.

When Bush 2 made that HUGE mistake with the 'New Freedom' act, it RUINED my life--- Could NOT get therapy for my disability (trauma) anymore. Bushie2 capped Lifetime...and things worsened.

I have had to do without counseling for years now....

Ami, you and I have agreed on other posts-- how 'no therapy is better than BAD therapy'.... /////

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posted October 02, 2013 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Mirage, I am confused. How does a 58 year old get Medicare?

And as per your description, you have been going through this for years. It sounds horrific, but what does it have to do with the ACA which hasn't gone into effect yet??


Hi Catalina!
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posted October 02, 2013 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are not going to be "forced" to go to the doctor even, mirage. You are going to be required to have some kind of coverage. As Randall pointed out the fines are currently unenforceable so it's really not "forcing" in any way.

I think the people who are trying to scare everyone have forgotten that this law can be altered to work better, that we the people can still stand up for that to happen, and that having to have insurance is not the same as having to go to the doctor. And doctors being told to ask questions doesn't mean you have to answer them. I hurt myself parachuting as a young'un and had to go to the doc, but in order to get the insurance company to pay for the visit i had to pretend I had fallen off the roof (parachuting was not covered by insurance in the late 60s!) so a lot of the raging complaints are about something that goes hand-in-glove with insurance in general.

Which is why I will have only catastrophic coverage - whcih under Obamacare also covers preventive testing etc that was not provided before. I haven't been to a doctor except one ER visit in the last 18 years since I came back from England, where, because everyone pays into the system rich and poor alike get free care when they need it. There are doctors who operate outside the system even there, though they cost, and plenty of rich people just go to their NHS GP.

So you get Medicaid, or did, not Medicare?

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posted October 02, 2013 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MEDICARE (Original), with expensive co-pay insurance I've kept since July 1999. Was good while I'm in Fulltime Therapy. But I haven't had 'good' therapy in a DECADE! I pay for 'nothing'..... But hope that SOMETHING turns up for me soon.

Medicaid is STATE

MEDICARE is Federal.

Medicaid is Fickle, and staffed by inferior quality doctors.

MEDICARE is like a portal to go to anywhere in the country for treatment.


I was TOLD that ALL MEDICARE PEOPLE will be FORCED to have a "package deal"....


I can't find good doctors. They all quit on me because of their dislike of Obama.

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posted October 02, 2013 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage
I got an on line program for disassociation by a Psychologist who had it herself.

It has really, really helped me. You get this when you have too much trauma. You go numb.

For me, I could go to therapy if I wanted but I think they are worse than the average person and it is a big scam.

That is my personal opinion.

You can come out of it but it is super, super hard.

Anyway, that is my 2 cents and my heart goes out to you as I am sure you have been through so very, very much to come to this point

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posted October 02, 2013 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Catalina does not like to face the truth of NOBama. She is one of those who may face the truth when a drone falls on her head and she is taken for indefinite detention to the FEMA motel. Then, she will look up and thank me for all the help I tried to give her

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posted October 02, 2013 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't find good doctors. They all quit on me because of their dislike of Obama.

They quit because Obama is destroying medicine and making it impossible for them to work and impossible for them to make a living.

Even though Cata and the Libs don't like this, people go to school and set up practices and businesses to earn money

I am not dissing you, Mirage. You are waking up and admitting it unlike Cata and the rest of them here who won't admit they were wrong.

I will keep you in my prayers, Mirage and I mean that

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posted October 02, 2013 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for saying all that...Ami

I STILL think Cata has some good factual right info to explain how some people will go from NO Insurance, to actually having insurance for the first time in their lives. Those people DESERVE A CHANCE.

Ami, MY DISABILITY-situation is DIFFERENT harrowing and 'different'.... I DO have healthcare through Medicare. Just seems that the CaseWorker thought (for herself) that I would be better in an HMO).

And Ami... omigosh, I'd LOVE to work... I LIKE working. I'm a freakin compulsive workaholic ~~ I just am not in enough of a "supportive" atmosphere to be able to.... and that makes my heart sooo sad!! I GRIEVE! I feel so ashamed that I am debilitized.... to have to 'admit' shortcomings. I used to be an awesome productive faithful dedicated employee.... heck, I've even 'finished jobs' to make 'deadlines' WITHOUT PAY.... Just so our office would get the contract we bid on.

I USED to be able to work in the highpressure highfinance sales worlds. I was really really good at it. Found it exhilarating! Loved the feel of meeting a deal with a close.

But so much has happened to me.... I grieve over NOT being able to FEEL that POWER of Working.... I am so ashamed to be 'disabled'.... I COULD do it!! I COULD! "if" circumstances supported it.

ohhhhh forgive me.... bleh I think I'm 'possibly' gone from sad to a bit of actual 'depression' right now.... All the overwhelm and fog, and I feel SOOOOOO MAD AT MYSELF!


BUT GOOD NEWS! I found a doc whom I KNOW is quite 'educated' and treats my disability. I can transfer from the one who is ...*cough* "Retiring" (whom I've known since 2006)... to this woman with 38?years of experience in the field. She had NOT been available before. (yeah ami!! *bouncey* *bouncey* God/ The Universe unjammed that door.... so amazing.)

I will have to see what is "available" otherwise.

In the past hour I have ALSO "switched" my Casemanager person.... (My situation is complex. This one seems to have a better feel for what I need. I pray that's the truth.)

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posted October 02, 2013 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage

I am glad you feel that there is hope.That is very important, Friend.

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dearest Ami Anne.... You know, "at first" he "seemed" so "Real".... He talked the Vision of America that my heart and soul ACHED deeply to see.

But now, it could be true, what you say? That he is a fluff!

Oh friend-Ami.... Some of your 'humor' when you were 'playing' with all that extremist 'religious stuff' just made me skip-over whatever you would say about Obama.

I know he seemed so real. I know people can think I am a weird extremist. That is cool if they do. I understand how they may think that.

I know Bible Prophecy and so I knew this would happen.

I respect that you can admit when you were wrong. That takes a very big person and a humility that many people don't have

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posted October 02, 2013 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omg, who believes in prophecies any more except disillusionists that are dime a dozen at Lindaland.

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posted October 02, 2013 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami... A Point here For CLARITY:

My "disappointment" over the way the government handled "My" own PERSONAL casework was a Nightmare.... HOWEVER, this is to be kept SEPARATE from your Doomday-Religious Group antics, OKAY... ?

stop that.... jus stop that.....

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posted October 02, 2013 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
You are not going to be "forced" to go to the doctor even, mirage. You are going to be required to have some kind of coverage. As Randall pointed out the fines are currently unenforceable so it's really not "forcing" in any way.

I think the people who are trying to scare everyone have forgotten that this law can be altered to work better, that we the people can still stand up for that to happen, and that having to have insurance is not the same as having to go to the doctor. And doctors being told to ask questions doesn't mean you have to answer them....


Hugs to Catalina!! YOU WERE RIGHT!!

I am on Medicare. And a doctor who had NOT previously been available to me JUST a few hours ago "opened her door" to ME with my current doc retiring Jan 1 ...

She does NOT take Medicaid (State)... ONLY Medicare (Federal)-- and she HAS experience and special knowledge in my disorder.... If you could only know how MUCH that means to me.... I CANNOT do (State) Medicaid because they have NO EXPERIENCED "SAFE" docs in their Programs.

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posted October 02, 2013 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's fabulous news Mirage, good on you!

Anyone who thinks the republicans are worrying sbout their constituents and the horrors of the ACA need only listen to Michelle Bachmann gushing about how pkeased tgey are to be shutting the govt down. That is the horse, and ACA is the cart...though they push the cart out in front complete with doomsday bells and whistles

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"Michelle Bachmann gushing about how pkeased tgey are to be shutting the govt down"..Catalina/katatonic

Something else you heard on the grapevine?

I challenge you to find Bachmann saying she..or she and other Republicans ARE PLEASED about the government shutdown.

Post it right here with proper attribution...meaning a link to a credible website. Don't be shy now, go for it.

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posted October 04, 2013 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-cusp-of-shutdown-house-conservatives-excited-say-they-are-doing-the-right-thing/2013/09/28/2a5ab618-285e-11e3-97e6-2e07cad1b77e_story.html

While much of official Washington on Saturday somberly faced the likelihood of a government shutdown, the most conservative members of the House sported a different expression.

They were smiling.

“We’re very excited,” said Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.). “It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.”


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jwhop
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posted October 04, 2013 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, nice try usual suspect and O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinker. But your Washington Compost reporter got the story wrong...or deliberately mislead you...or, it could be you only read the parts you want to read so you can post nonsense here.

"They were smiling.

“We’re very excited,” said Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.). “It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.”

On Saturday, conservatives rallied House Republicans around a plan to fund the government but delay the Affordable Care Act, President Obama’s signature health-care law, for a year."

Now Catalina/Katatonic, that's what they were smiling and excited about...A BILL TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT BUT DELAY O'BOMBERCARE FOR A YEAR.

It's just disgusting that a supposed grown woman has to be tutored in the English language.

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posted October 04, 2013 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nope. I'll have to disagree there.... She and the other obstructionists are exhibiting 'surreal high-egoic sadistic pleasure' that this tiny small band of theirs has infiltrated and SEIZED UP the big institution of The Government of the United States of America, itself.

Eye-opener.... What was once Safe & Status Quo is NOW become vulnerable.....like the shooter who breaks in on a public political forum, then mows down the attendees. It's shocking. It's not the 'expected thing' to go to the movies and have a murderer open fire in a public 'safe' arena....

What the Obstructionists have DEVOLVED INTO..... That's 'shocking'. It's a pathological horror. I feel that the military should escort them over to Washington DC Hospital for psychiatric evaluations.

It's SUDDENLY an 'awakening'.... Politics ended. And their dangerous virtual game has taken on a Reality. Everyone is "noticing" this now..... Even True Republicans are saying this is surreal.

Something's gone 'wrong'.... This is not about "politics" anymore.... it's about their illness. They are not 'working' their jobs as legislators. It's another character~~ There's 'something unusual' about this unreal 'state of mind' that has NOT been able to reason. High Ego, a "puffed up ego" is a SERIOUS and very dangerous state of mind to be in when you have a deeply morbid responsibility--- Shutting down government and stopping the flow of money around the world? Their Controlling Thumbs are poised and hovering over the Control Panels of a Global Economic State....

If these were drunk and coming out of a local Bar, and getting into a vehicle to drive??? THAT'S IRRESPONSIBLE. That's taking a chance you're not going to Kill Someone with RECKLESS DRIVING! Take away the Key!! They are NOT in a "condition" to make responsible SOBER thoughts....

Personally, I would like to see these people taken before (whatever is) World Court in order to answer for the domino Destruction that would happen. They are exhibiting behaviors of "glee"... Their behaviors show they are not in contact with a moral conscience nor feel the weight of responsibility for what they are about to enact.... God forbid!

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