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jwhop
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posted October 17, 2013 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Watch out for the sticker shock!

In 45 of the 50 states O'BomberCare will cost more than current insurance premiums. In most cases, much more.

You better hope you don't live in Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, North Dakota, Texas, Vermont or Virginia. If you do and you're age 27, your insurance premiums are going to double or more under O'BomberCare. If you live in Virginia, your insurance premiums are going up 252%.

O'BomberCare will be lower in only 5 states. There goes that $1500 per year savings for health insurance O'Bomber promised America.

How Will You Fare in the Obamacare Exchanges?
By Drew Gonshorowski

There are literally no comparisons to current rates. That is, [the Department of Health and Human Services] has chosen to dodge the question of whose rates are going up, and how much. Instead they try to distract with a comparison to a hypothetical number that has nothing to do with the actual experience of real people.


http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/10/enrollm ent-in-obamacare-exchanges-how-will-your-health-insurance-fare

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Ami Anne
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posted October 18, 2013 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Take that, You low information voter, Y-O-U

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AcousticGod
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posted October 18, 2013 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Insurance that provides more benefits --in order to adhere to the new law-- does cost more. The people I see complaining the most had terrible, non-comprehensive plans. There's a name for them, oh yeah, catastrophic plans. These plans don't include what I would say is pretty standard stuff like going to the doctor, or reduced prescription charges.

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jwhop
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posted October 18, 2013 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
70 year old women don't need maternity care or pediatric care for babies....or a whole rash of other useless add-ons under O'Bomber's Abomination which only drive up insurance costs...for everyone.

But then, Socialist Progressives are idiots who believe one size fits all and maybe in the Socialist Gulag state it does. But not in America.

Just wait until they get the mess of the exchange sites straightened out...if they can..and Americans get a good look at their mandated health insurance premiums...and deductibles...the amount they must pay BEFORE O'BOMBERCARE STARTS PAYING.

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jwhop
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posted October 19, 2013 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Ami Anne
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posted October 19, 2013 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:


WE sure have a BUNCH of them here

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AcousticGod
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posted October 19, 2013 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But then, Socialist Progressives are idiots who believe one size fits all and maybe in the Socialist Gulag state it does. But not in America.

It's simply regulated that the insurance must cover things essential to the basic wellbeing of people. That a single person doesn't need a particular benefit is irrelevant. It was the same before the law. If you were on a company health care plan, that plan's price was determined by your choice to an extent (if you were given a choice), but what the plan covered was completely out of your control. If you had a plan that covered mental problems, and you never had any...you still paid the same price. If you had a plan that covered catastrophic disease, and you never got one, you still paid the same price. This is a nonsense argument. Here in California, no one gripes that everyone must maintain the minimum liability insurance for their vehicle. All of us don't have to tap that insurance all of the time, but we all must still have it.

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jwhop
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posted October 19, 2013 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"It's simply regulated that the insurance must cover things essential to the basic wellbeing of people. That a single person doesn't need a particular benefit is irrelevant"...acoustic

More horseshiit from you acoustic.

Forcing people to buy insurance coverage they can't even use is only one of the stupid provisions of O'Bomber's Abomination. "One size does not fill all" Americans and that's not the way free markets...including insurance markets work.

Of course, you wouldn't know anything about that...or much of anything else.

You can't even connect the dots between O'Bomber's skyrocketed insurance premiums and mandated coverages which buyers can't use.

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posted October 20, 2013 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It takes a pretty dim bulb to vote for a serial liar like the Marxist Messiah O'Bomber...or his Socialist comrades in Congress....or perhaps greedy freeloaders who are too lazy and unmotived to get off their dead as$es and make their own way in life.

Obamacare will increase average individual-market premiums by 99% for men

Percent increase in average health insurance premium after Obamacare

What will you be paying for the privilege of electing a socialist who made you feel good about yourself?

Avik Roy counts the cost in Forbes magazine.

Excerpt:

For months now, we’ve been waiting to hear how much Obamacare will drive up the cost of health insurance for people who purchase coverage on their own. Last night, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services finally began to provide some data on how Americans will fare on Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchanges. HHS’ press release is full of happy talk about how premiums will be “lower than originally expected.” But the reality is starkly different.

Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of the HHS numbers, Obamacare will increase underlying insurance rates for younger men by an average of 97 to 99 percent, and for younger women by an average of 55 to 62 percent. Worst off is North Carolina, which will see individual-market rates triple for women, and quadruple for men.

[...][M]any 27-year-olds will face steep increases in the underlying cost of individually-purchased insurance under Obamacare. For the states where we have data—the 36 reported by HHS, plus nine others that we had compiled for our map that HHS didn’t report—rates will go up for men by an average of 97 percent; for women, 55 percent. (In the few cases where HHS reported on states that our map includes, we went with HHS’ numbers.)

Worst off was Nebraska, where the difference between the cheapest plan under the old system and under Obamacare was 279 percent for men, and 227 percent for women: more than triple the old rate. Faring best was Colorado, where rates will decline for both 27-year-old men and women by 36 percent. The only other state to see a rate decline in this analysis was New Hampshire: 8 percent for both men and women.

(Still missing are data from Hawaii, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maryland, Minnesota, and Nevada. The data from New York and New Jersey should be taken with a grain of salt, as their individual insurance markets are not like those of other states.)

[...]40-year-olds, surprisingly, will face a similar picture. The cheapest exchange plan for the average enrollee, compared to what a 40-year-old would pay today, will cost an average of 99 percent more for men, and 62 percent for women.

You might be asking why men have to pay more than women for Obamacare premiums, and the answer is simple. Even though women use a lot more health care, companies are now forbidden from making women pay more because they use more. Women will be paying less because men will be picking up the cost. That’s called “equality”. The same thing happened with the stimulus, which also favored women, because they are more likely than men to support big government Democrats at election time.

What about the subsidies that are being offered by the government to ease the transition to government-controlled health care?

However, the overall results make clear that most people will not receive enough in subsidies to counteract the degree to which Obamacare drives premiums upward. Remember that nearly two-thirds of the uninsured are under the age of 40. And that young and healthy people are essential to Obamacare; unless these individuals are willing to pay more for health insurance to subsidize everyone else, the exchanges will not serve the goal of providing coverage to the uninsured.

Democrats like to make much of the subsidies that they are offering to offset these skyrocketing premiums, but that money is being borrowed from the children of today. They are the ones who will have to pay the money back. In effect, we are borrowing money from the next generation of workers to pay off the health care of the retirees of today. Obamacare is a massive transfer of wealth from young people to older people. Young people are still very much under the influence of the brainwashing they got from their teachers in government-run public schools. They have been taught that in order to be good people, they need to vote for socialism. And they do. It’s only much later that the bill comes due – for now they are blissfully unaware of what they are doing to themselves.

Health insurance premiums have been going up since 2008

Remember, premiums have already gone up $3,000 on average since Obamacare was passed, despite Obama promising they would drop by $2,500. That’s a $5,500 difference.

From Investors Business Daily.

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During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term.

But it turns out that family premiums have increased by more than $3,000 since Obama’s vow, according to the latest annual Kaiser Family Foundation employee health benefits survey.

Premiums for employer-provided family coverage rose $3,065 — 24% — from 2008 to 2012, the Kaiser survey found. Even if you start counting in 2009, premiums have climbed $2,370.

What’s more, premiums climbed faster in Obama’s four years than they did in the previous four under President Bush, the survey data show.

There’s no question about what Obama was promising the country, since he repeated it constantly during his 2008 campaign.

In a debate with Sen. John McCain, for example, Obama said “the only thing we’re going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you. And we estimate we can cut the average family’s premium by about $2,500 per year.”

At a campaign stop in Columbus, Ohio, in February 2008, Obama promised that “We are going to work with you to lower your premiums by $2,500. We will not wait 20 years from now to do it, or 10 years from now to do it. We will do it by the end of my first term as president.”

A $5,500 difference doesn’t mean a lot to Obama. But maybe it means a lot to you. We’re going to find out exactly what we voted for very soon now.
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2013/09/26/obamacare -will-increase-average-individual-market-premiums-by-99-for-men/

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AcousticGod
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posted October 20, 2013 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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More horseshiit from you acoustic.

Forcing people to buy insurance coverage they can't even use is only one of the stupid provisions of O'Bomber's Abomination. "One size does not fill all" Americans and that's not the way free markets...including insurance markets work.


Nope. It's just as I said, Jwhop. Your previously existing insurance did the same thing: it helped other people on the SAME plan that had different genders and maladies than you have. Don't play dumb for the sake of attempting to have an argument.

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You can't even connect the dots between O'Bomber's skyrocketed insurance premiums and mandated coverages which buyers can't use.

Buyers can use, as I've illustrated. It's you who's having trouble connecting the dots.

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Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of the HHS numbers

Did you go to the source site listed in your article?
The numbers don't always match up, and it clearly shows a couple noteworthy things:

1. Partial Data. That's the status of most states in their study.
2. In places where the prices go up the most, the beginning price is extremely low, and can almost assuredly not be considered comparable full coverage. That's why in places like California and Colorado the jump isn't too big: the cost for full coverage prior to Obamacare was closer to full coverage under Obamacare. In their Methodology section we learn:

    Our pre-ACA dataset consists of the five least expensive plans (by monthly premium) for the most populous zip code in every county. To cover a significant age range we collected rates for 27, 40, and 64-year old male and female non-smokers. We adjusted these rates to take into account those who are denied health insurance coverage as well as those who receive a surcharge. Using the "denial rate" and "surcharge rate" from the federal government's repository, we assumed that those who are surcharged pay 75 percent more and those who are denied, find insurance elsewhere at three times the original rate. We used this to develop a weighted average of the five least expensive insurance plans for every zip code we identified. To develop a state-wide average, we took the state-wide average for every age-gender combination. http://www.manhattan-institute.org/knowyourrates/about.htm

There is NO mention of an apples-to-apples comparison between insurances that would be the closest in terms of coverage to Obamacare, which means, once again, that it's often a comparison between essentially a lesser health insurance and a more comprehensive insurance.

Still, I would absolutely encourage Republicans to pursue meaningful changes in the law. If they had chosen that course from the start, they would probably be in a better place politically with the nation. If, instead of repeal, they sought common sense changes that helped consumer's bottom line, if Democrats went along, they'd have a win, and if Democrats didn't go along, then they'd have something to campaign on.

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posted October 20, 2013 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one seems to be able to contemplate the concept of winning-thru-cooperation, AG. A recent lwtter by a republican concerned about the splintering party and their loss of credibility narrowed their failure down to one thing - poor messaging. He believes the success of 2010 was achieved by a message "simple enough for people to wrap their brains around", ie "the People" are too dumb to figure out anything complex (like life on any level) and that if his party can't get back to the lowest common denominator they are doomed.

I have forgotten his name but i will find a link when i get to a proper computer. It explains why this sort of fact-fudging goes on...contempt for the reasoning powers of the constituency.

So the commonsense solution to the inadequacies of the ACA, amending it into better shape that suits more people and answers the legitimate crticisms, has been shelved in exchange for theatrics and malicious gossip (whose writers must have more spies than the NSA to know what they say they do)...

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