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Randall
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posted November 15, 2013 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By Mark Felsenthal and Susan Cornwell

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the most significant legislative rebuke to President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul, 39 members of his Democratic Party voted for a Republican bill in the House of Representatives on Friday aimed at undermining his signature domestic policy.

The measure from Republican Representative Fred Upton of Michigan passed 261-157. Thirty-nine Democrats, nearly a fifth of the party's caucus, supported the measure, which was seen as a test of loyalty.

Many Democrats fear the botched rollout of the Affordable Care Act would hurt their re-election prospects in 2014.

The bill was unlikely to pass the Democratic-controlled Senate. Obama would veto the legislation if it reached his desk, the White House said, warning it would undermine progress by allowing insurers to sell new substandard plans that do not provide basic services and offer little financial help for catastrophic health events.

House Democrats said Upton's bill was designed to sabotage the larger law.

"They (Republicans) are perfectly satisfied with 40 million Americans having no health insurance at all," said Representative James McGovern, a Massachusetts Democrat. "If you want to go back to a system where the insurance companies can turn people away because they are sick, by all means vote for this bill."

Obama, scrambling to rescue what was meant to be his biggest domestic policy achievement, on Thursday proposed a plan to allow insurers to extend by at least one year policies due to be canceled because they do not comply with new minimum requirements under the 2010 law, widely known as Obamacare.

With several million people facing the prospect of having their existing policies canceled, Obama is trying to stem the damage to his credibility over his repeated promise that if people liked their policies they could keep them.

The October 1 rollout of the program has been beset by technical glitches with the federal online insurance website that allows consumers to shop for policies. In recent days, HealthCare.gov's problems have been overshadowed by the controversy over the policy cancellations.

U.S. Rep Ron Barber, a Democrat from Arizona, explained his vote for the bill.

"I am frustrated and angered by the continuing problems with the health care website and I know Southern Arizonans are frustrated and angry, too.

"Today I voted to give people the option to keep their current plan until these and other issues are resolved. That's only fair."

In an attempt to diminish that threat, House Democrats plan to offer their own plan that is similar to a bill from Senator Mary Landrieu, a Democrat from Louisiana, that would allow insurers to renew policies slated to be canceled, a Democratic leadership aide said.

It would also give the Department of Health and Human Services and state insurance commissioners the authority to go after insurers for excessive, unjustified, or discriminatory rates.

Obama was due to meet health insurance chief executives on Friday, a day after insurers expressed concerns about his plan to help Americans who are losing their current coverage because of his healthcare overhaul.

Insurers complained Obama's fix could create new problems and lead to higher premiums. State insurance commissioners, who regulate the market, said they were also concerned.

Insurers who said they would attend Friday's meeting include Aetna Chief Executive Officer Mark Bertolini; Patrick Geraghty, chief executive of Florida Blue; Humana CEO Bruce Brussard and Patricia Hemingway, chief executive of Health Care Service Corp. Scott Serota, president and chief executive officer of the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, will also attend.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-meet-insurers-friday-obamacare-fix-152740210--sector.html

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posted November 15, 2013 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Republicans want this law to fail- where is your alternative plan?

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posted November 15, 2013 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Want it to fail? This is a Republican-sponsored bill.

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posted November 15, 2013 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Want it to fail? This is a Republican-sponsored bill.


LOL

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posted November 15, 2013 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think she meant the ACA...?

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posted November 15, 2013 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, considering the catastrophic results thus far with Obamacare, no alternative would be better. This Socialistic piece of crap is just getting worse and worse as time goes on.

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posted November 16, 2013 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can do nothing but roll my eyes at most negative comments about Obamacare, because most people aren't very well-versed on it, and are speaking from a cloudy understanding of it.

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posted November 16, 2013 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Get used to it. The fight to dismantle it has only just begun. It is so troubled that it is already beginning to topple on its own anyway.

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posted November 17, 2013 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm already used to it. It's not beginning to topple on its own. It's doing just fine. I don't think Obama did it any real favors with his recent comments, but if it somehow does provide cover for Democrats, then that's cool for Democrats. The problem with things hitting bottom with the story, however, is that the only direction from the bottom is up, and that is the likely course.

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posted November 17, 2013 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
I can do nothing but roll my eyes at most negative comments about Obamacare, because most people aren't very well-versed on it, and are speaking from a cloudy understanding of it.

With people like you, maybe NOBama did not steal the election

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posted November 17, 2013 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are quite blind, AG. We shall just call it blind optimism. Even Obama can see the truth.

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posted November 17, 2013 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now I'm an optimist, huh? I'm much more happy with that label.

Blind, well, I doubt it.

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Randall
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posted November 17, 2013 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, optimism is great.

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