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jwhop
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posted November 19, 2013 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Census Bureau falsified the jobs numbers just before the 2012 election to help get O'Bomber reelected.

Yeah, so while O'Bomber was running all over America yipping and yapping about the improving unemployment numbers just before the election, he knew it was a damned lie.

About the only things O'Bomber hasn't lied about are (1) his intention to bankrupt the coal industry and (2) his intention to radically transform America. I wonder which banana republic O'Bomber intends to emulate!

Census Bureau faked jobs report ahead of 2012 election: report
By Cheryl K. Chumley
The Washington Times
Tuesday, November 19, 2013

U.S. government job numbers were intentionally skewed to paint a brighter economic picture in the lead-up to the 2012 presidential election, a source told the New York Post.

The number manipulation involved several workers with the U.S. Census Bureau, who reportedly kept quiet about the false information that fed into the dramatic August-to-September unemployment drop, from 8.1 percent to 7.8 percent, the unnamed source told the Post.

The source said he would testify to Congress and speak to the Labor Department about what he claimed was falsified data, the Post reported.

The source claimed that two years before President Obama won his re-election campaign, the Census Bureau actually caught one of its workers changing and falsifying jobs’ numbers. But the problem didn’t end; rather, the skewing of statistics only intensified in the months leading up to the election.

The employee who was caught, Julius Buckmon, told the Post that he actually skewed numbers at the behest of his bosses.

The Census Bureau didn’t respond to requests for comment.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/19/census-bureau-faked-jobs-report-2012-election/

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posted November 20, 2013 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure why you think Census workers are loyal to the sitting admin. Nor why you think jobs numbers which tally with the Labor statistics dept's would be party-biased? There are similar questions about the article here:
http://m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/11/did-the-census-bureau-really-fake-the-jobs-report/281648/

People with tedious jobs fudging numbers to shirk responsibility, sure. Happens fairly commonly.

Your conclusions seriously don't seem relevant to the facts as presented, even with the NYPost's predilection for stirring up scandal

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posted November 20, 2013 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They can always get jobs at the IPCC.

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jwhop
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posted November 20, 2013 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fortunately for these numbers fudges Randall, they don't work for me. If they did, the IPCC is probably the only place they could find employment as number crunchers.

"Not sure why you think Census workers are loyal to the sitting admin. Nor why you think jobs numbers which tally with the Labor statistics dept's would be party-biased?...Catalina/katatonic

One day, leftists, usual suspects and O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers are going to come to the understanding that everyone in the Executive Branch of government works for Barack Hussein O'Bomber...including those in the Census Bureau.

THE BUCK STOPS AT O'BOMBER'S DESK

I know it doesn't bother the O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers that each and every one of the scandals of the last 5 years...including this one...rebounded to O'Bomber's benefit. In this case, O'Bomber was trumpeting false and lying jobs numbers just before the 2012 elections.

Apparently the writers at the Atlantic rag don't know the Census Bureau has as Inspector General...and that Inspector General has opened an investigation of the lying jobs numbers put forth by the Census Bureau.

Btw, trying to refute the charge by posing a question in the lede..."did-the-census-bureau-really-fake-the-jobs-report...as the Atlantic did doesn't cut the mustard.

There's also an investigation brewing in the US House of Representatives.

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posted November 20, 2013 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is terrible Jwhop but what else is new when it comes to NoBama. Remember dancing the limbo. How low can we go. We have not seem nothing yet that this despicable man can do.

Impeach while we still have time
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posted November 20, 2013 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So a charge has been made and investigation pending. But since YOU know the answers, why wait for the results? More bias and posturing.

And jumping the gun

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posted November 20, 2013 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are reading what they want to read cat.

Anything to promote scandal. Up to and including an inability to research.

Jump, indeed.

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posted November 20, 2013 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/20/elisabeth-hasselbeck/elisabeth-hasselbeck-suggests-census-worker-admits/

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posted November 20, 2013 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You three are like the Three Stooges.


Can be quoted

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posted November 20, 2013 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, the problem for the 3 scrouges is that there's an employee or former employee of the Census Bureau who says they will testify to Congress that the employment numbers from the Census Bureau were falsified.

Yep, at the time O'Bomber was yipping and Yapping about how wonderful the reductions in the unemployment was..it was a LIE...and that lie helped O'Bomber get reelected.

Criminal charges should be brought and would be brought against those within the government who deliberately falsified employment data to assist the reelection of a president but don't hold your breath until that happens with the utterly lawless Eric Holder in charge of the Justice Department.

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posted November 21, 2013 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're woefully under-educated on the subject, Jwhop. If you think that's a problem for me, I think you've got another thing comin'. There was no lie. You simply don't know, so you're taking someone else's word for it. BUT by all means, lets waste some money getting to the bottom of this story, Congress.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/11/19/census-jobs-data-manipulation/3645819/

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posted November 21, 2013 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Ami, the problem for the 3 scourges is that there's an employee or former employee of the Census Bureau who says they will testify to Congress that the employment numbers from the Census Bureau were falsified.

Yep, at the time O'Bomber was yipping and Yapping about how wonderful the reductions in the unemployment was..it was a [b]LIE...and that lie helped O'Bomber get reelected.

Criminal charges should be brought and would be brought against those within the government who deliberately falsified employment data to assist the reelection of a president but don't hold your breath until that happens with the utterly lawless Eric Holder in charge of the Justice Department.[/B]



Brilliant, as usual, Jwhop.

I would expect nothing less. E-D-U-C-A-T-E these people!

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posted November 21, 2013 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are confusing two separate events, as usual, and again you swagger like a member of a lynch mob with your misplaced righteous disrespect of one of this country's most basic tenets...the right to due process, not only for the census bureau employees but the President.

Never watched the 3 stooges, why would anyone who had the Marx bros to compare them with?

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posted November 21, 2013 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the right to due process

Due process? ROLFL

Do you realize that your messiah Barak Huessin NOBama signed an executive order for Indefinite Detention of American citizens without a trial.

PS--To the SQ( stealth quoter) My permission to quote, per usual

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posted November 21, 2013 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your ignorance is showing again, Ami.

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posted November 21, 2013 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Your ignorance is showing again, Ami.

I got a song dedication for you, Eddie. I will link it.

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posted November 21, 2013 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 21, 2013 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A song won't save you from ignorance.

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posted November 21, 2013 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
A song won't save you from ignorance.

Classic statement of the psych defense mechanism called Reaction Formation. Look it up, Edster

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posted November 21, 2013 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reaction Formation displaces the native's natural emotion with an equal emotion of opposite character. An unemotional statement that a song doesn't undo your posting of something in error is not a concealment of some opposite emotion. Everyone can plainly see I'm not feeling that you're right, and thus reacting with a feeling that you're wrong. You are factually incorrect, and I am just stating what I see.

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posted November 21, 2013 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"You're woefully under-educated on the subject, Jwhop"...acoustic

Thanks for the input from the dunce contingent!

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posted November 21, 2013 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe you'll take the time to fact-check your outrage before posting it next time.

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posted November 21, 2013 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"You're woefully under-educated on the subject, Jwhop"...acoustic

Thanks for the input from the dunce contingent!


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posted November 21, 2013 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahahahaha! Wheeeee, the Census Bureau says..."No systematic manipulation of jobs data".

Wow, I'm really impressed that the fox is in charge of the henhouse slaughter investigation.

"No Systematic Manipulation of Jobs Data".

Ummmmm, that's not the same thing as NO MANIPULATION OF THE JOBS DATA.

Once again, the usual suspects are guzzling the O'Bomber Kool-Aid.

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posted November 22, 2013 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Census ‘faked’ 2012 election jobs report
By John Crudele
November 18, 2013

In the home stretch of the 2012 presidential campaign, from August to September, the unemployment rate fell sharply — raising eyebrows from Wall Street to Washington.

The decline — from 8.1 percent in August to 7.8 percent in September — might not have been all it seemed. The numbers, according to a reliable source, were manipulated.

And the Census Bureau, which does the unemployment survey, knew it.

Just two years before the presidential election, the Census Bureau had caught an employee fabricating data that went into the unemployment report, which is one of the most closely watched measures of the economy.

And a knowledgeable source says the deception went beyond that one employee — that it escalated at the time President Obama was seeking reelection in 2012 and continues today.

“He’s not the only one,” said the source, who asked to remain anonymous for now but is willing to talk with the Labor Department and Congress if asked.

The Census employee caught faking the results is Julius Buckmon, according to confidential Census documents obtained by The Post. Buckmon told me in an interview this past weekend that he was told to make up information by higher-ups at Census.

Ironically, it was Labor’s demanding standards that left the door open to manipulation.

Labor requires Census to achieve a 90 percent success rate on its interviews — meaning it needed to reach 9 out of 10 households targeted and report back on their jobs status.

Census currently has six regions from which surveys are conducted. The New York and Philadelphia regions, I’m told, had been coming up short of the 90 percent.

Philadelphia filled the gap with fake interviews.

“It was a phone conversation — I forget the exact words — but it was, ‘Go ahead and fabricate it’ to make it what it was,” Buckmon told me.

Census, under contract from the Labor Department, conducts the household survey used to tabulate the unemployment rate.

Interviews with some 60,000 household go into each month’s jobless number, which currently stands at 7.3 percent. Since this is considered a scientific poll, each one of the households interviewed represents 5,000 homes in the US.

Buckmon, it turns out, was a very ambitious employee. He conducted three times as many household interviews as his peers, my source said.

By making up survey results — and, essentially, creating people out of thin air and giving them jobs — Buckmon’s actions could have lowered the jobless rate.

Buckmon said he filled out surveys for people he couldn’t reach by phone or who didn’t answer their doors.

But, Buckmon says, he was never told how to answer the questions about whether these nonexistent people were employed or not, looking for work, or have given up.

But people who know how the survey works say that simply by creating people and filling out surveys in their name would boost the number of folks reported as employed.

Census never publicly disclosed the falsification. Nor did it inform Labor that its data was tainted.

“Yes, absolutely they should have told us,” said a Labor spokesman. “It would be normal procedure to notify us if there is a problem with data collection.”

Census appears to have looked into only a handful of instances of falsification by Buckmon, although more than a dozen instances were reported, according to internal documents.

In one document from the probe, Program Coordinator Joal Crosby was ask in 2010, “Why was the suspected … possible data falsification on all (underscored) other survey work for which data falsification was suspected not investigated by the region?”

On one document seen by The Post, Crosby hand-wrote the answer: “Unable to determine why an investigation was not done for CPS,” or the Current Population Survey — the official name for the unemployment report.

With regard to the Consumer Expenditure survey, only four instances of falsification were looked into, while 14 were reported.

I’ve been suspicious of the Census Bureau for a long time.

During the 2010 Census report — an enormous and costly survey of the entire country that goes on for a full year — I suspected (and wrote in a number of columns) that Census was inexplicably hiring and firing temporary workers.

I suspected that this turnover of employees was being done purposely to boost the number of new jobs being report each month. (The Labor Department does not use the Census Bureau for its other monthly survey of new jobs — commonly referred to as the Establishment Survey.)

Last week I offered to give all the information I have, including names, dates and charges to Labor’s inspector general.

I’m waiting to hear back from Labor.

I hope the next stop will be Congress, since [b]manipulation of data like this not only gives voters the wrong impression of the economy but also leads lawmakers, the Federal Reserve and companies to make uninformed decisions.]/b]

To cite just one instance, the Fed is targeting the curtailment of its so-called quantitative easing money-printing/bond-buying fiasco to the unemployment rate for which Census provided the false information.

So falsifying this would, in essence, have dire consequences for the country.
http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

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