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AcousticGod
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posted November 22, 2013 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As America marks the 50th anniversary of John F. Kennedy’s death, his life, family, strengths and weakness have been pored over in recent weeks, but little has been said about how the public viewed the country during the Kennedy years. The Gallup polls of that period illustrate how different a time this was. The mood of America then had few parallels with the modern era.

First, as 1963 began, Americans were pretty upbeat in any number of ways:

  • Having survived the Cuban Missile Crisis, they were confident about their country – 82% thought America’s power would increase in 1963! And most (63%) thought it possible that the West could achieve a peaceful relationship with Russia.
  • Americans were remarkably internationalist. Gallup1 found 82% of the public thinking it would be better if US worked with other nations. Just 10% said keeping independent was the right course. No fewer than 87% favored the common market. They even liked foreign aid – 58% said they were for it. Can you imagine?
  • Americans were optimistic about the economy – 64% said that local business conditions would be good that year. And that attitude prevailed throughout the year. Two thirds (68%) said they were satisfied with their income. Many credited the president. By a margin of 50% to 37%, the public thought Kennedy kept his promise to stimulate economic growth.
  • Indeed, JFK was enormously popular in early 1963. In February, he enjoyed a 70% approval. His ratings for handling foreign policy and handling domestic problems were equally high (64%) and most (56%) were satisfied with the way he was handling the situation in Cuba, where he had stumbled badly in 1961. And unlike modern presidents, Kennedy was a cultural phenomenon. In 1963, Gallup estimated that 85 million Americans had seen or heard a Kennedy imitator.

In March 1963, 74% expected him to be reelected – He held a whopping 67% /27% lead over Goldwater in Gallup test election. The country was heavily Democratic (54% compared with 25% Republican) as it had been that way since the 1930s and would remain until the Reagan years. The Democrats were seen as more likely to keep the country prosperous than the Republicans (49% to 20%), but they were not as dominant as the party that would keep the country out of a war (32% to 23%)…. And very unlike the modern era, as many people said they were liberals (49%) as conservatives (46%).

But liberalism had its limits when it came to integration and civil rights. Over the course of 1963, particularly following JFK’s call for civil rights legislation in mid-June, a growing number came to the view that the president was pushing racial integration too fast. A third of the public held that view in June (36%) but that number inched up to 41% in July, and soared to 50% in a Gallup survey following the March on Washington.

Indeed, the March on Washington was poorly regarded by the American public. In August, 69% had heard of the planned March on D.C. – and 63% of those aware of the march had an unfavorable opinion of it. Even though most Americans outside of the South (55%) favored equal rights legislation that would give “Negroes” the right to be served in hotels, restaurants and theaters, a large majority thought mass demonstrations by African Americans would hurt their own cause.

There is little doubt that race had become the issue at the end of the Kennedy administration. In September, 52% told Gallup that racial tensions were the most important problem facing the nation. Just 25% of Gallup’s respondents cited international problems, which had been the dominant issue of 1962.

And race took a toll on President Kennedy’s popularity rating. His approval score slipped from 70% in February to 59% in October. Most of the decline occurred after the JFK’s June civil rights speech and most of it occurred in the South. Between March and September that year, his ratings fell from 60% to 44%. There was less slippage outside of the South over this period- 76% to 69%.

Clearly, as the Kennedy years came to a close, a public that had begun the year in an upbeat mood turned about and the country was squarely confronting a new challenge. While the Cold War tensions had abated, internal divisions on the mega problem of race were front and center.

The public rallied to President Lyndon Johnson upon taking office, with a 79% approval rating. And all of Gallup’s test election questions showed him way ahead of his likely Republican rivals. But much of the public remained Kennedy loyalists. Robert F Kennedy was their top choice by far to be LBJ’s running mate in 1964. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/11/20/jfks-america/

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posted November 22, 2013 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The John Birch society, co-founded by Fred Koch, was adamant that civil rights abd race issues were the "wedges" of Communist infiltration. They considered Kennefy a "pinko", crook, and incompetent in foreign affairs especially.

The day he arrived in Dallas a main newspaper there ran an ad by the JBS basically calling him all these things...oh and "destroyer of the Constitution" was another fave rant...

Also widely circulated in Dallas in the days before his visit was a "Wanted for Treason" poster which many believe to have come from the JBS too, though no solid link has been proven.

He is often fondly remembered even by conservatives for instigating a lower highbracket tax - 70%! - abput twice what Obama has pushed for and been pilloried for by the Right.

The big difference? In those days the Republicans cpnsidered the JBS extremists. Today the heirs to JBS are holding the purse strings of a significant portion of the party. Not that Dems are immune to this kind of sugardaddy politics, but the so-called "commies" in the Dem party arefar less radical than made out to be, as was the case with JFK

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posted November 22, 2013 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted November 22, 2013 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this man, before he died, has simply saved the whole world of a nuclear war. World would have been different had he not been president in those years

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posted November 23, 2013 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder where we would be had he lived.

Most certainly Vietnam withdrawal would have happened.

Other major issues of the time [like racial discrimination] would have been dealt with much quicker.

I feel we would have been much further down the path as a nation had he continued a certain 8 year presidency.

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posted November 23, 2013 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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“The right to vote in a free American election is the most powerful and precious right in the world—and it must not be denied on the grounds of race or color. It is a potent key to achieving other rights of citizenship. For American history—both recent and past—clearly reveals that the power of the ballot has enabled those who achieve it to win other achievements as well, to gain a full voice in the affairs of their state and nation, and to see their interests represented in the governmental bodies which affect their future. In a free society, those with the power to govern are necessarily responsive to those with the right to vote.”
    —John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Special Message to the Congress on Civil Rights, 1963

http://www.thenation.com/blog/177328/honor-jfk-renewing-his-constitutional-commitment-extend-voting-rights

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posted November 23, 2013 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.

John F. Kennedy

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posted November 23, 2013 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In 2 years and 10 months, JFK didn`t have the full oportunity to build an enduring presidency but he sure built a legacy.

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posted November 23, 2013 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:

Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.

John F. Kennedy


...LLC 2.0 http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/004491.html

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posted November 23, 2013 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When asked, after election, if he planned to be a liberal or conservative President, Kennedy's answer was "I hope to be a responsible President"

Again, as it bears repeating, a loud faction of the day considered John and Robert Kennedy to be not only crooks and "over-educated and out of touch" Pinkos and sissies, but actively plotted their removal.

The John Birch echoes down the years have, like Michael Corleone, gone "legit" but remain essentially the same.

The Godfather is an incredibly informative set of films.

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posted November 23, 2013 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.

John F. Kennedy


I posted that to my Facebook wall yesterday.

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posted November 25, 2013 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Today is the Anniversary of JFK's burial....

May he be watching from Heaven.... May his Contributions to Our World and To Our History find its Seeds are being Re-Planted. May these bring forth their Right Fruit in the Right Time ahead....

Prayers that a Lasting and Real INNER Peace Come Forth through the Lights of New Generations....

(music) Total Praise (Kirk Franklin) [3:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uklAgjbiWVo

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posted November 25, 2013 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We can't know if Kennedy would have de escalated Vietnam or not. Once in it can be tricky getting out of such situations and he did escalate while in office tho not a much a Johnson...

He was an uneven President who showed great promise and gave people hope and inspiration and obviously upset a lot of different components of the "machine". So he is seen by many as a hero who stood up, but the paradox is that he used the same machine to get elected.

I remember several people pointing out at the time that while he was inspired and inspiring, it was Johnson who knew how to play the deal-making, arm twisting game of politics...I gained true respect for Johnson when he resigned, apparently he was honest at core and cared enough about his country not to be part of the divisive games of the military industrial complex anymore. And knew his power to tackle that complex was severely limited

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