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posted December 01, 2013 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obamacare's Website Won't Be Working By November 30 -- But What If It Isn't Working By November 2014?

President Obama’s choice to fix the troubled healthcare.gov website, has promised that the site would be fixed for the “vast majority of users” by November 30.

When President Obama appointed Jeffrey Zients to take over the troubled Healthcare.gov Obamacare website, Zients made a promise: “By the end of November, Healthcare.gov will work smoothly for the vast majority of users,” he said. We’re now at the end of November, and it’s pretty clear that the Obama administration will miss its self-imposed deadline. It’ll be tomorrow’s talking point for the GOP. But the question that matters most this year is not whether Obamacare is working by this November. It’s whether Obamacare is working by next November. If it’s not, Republicans may regain control of the Senate. So, let’s take a clear-eyed look at how Obamacare is likely to play out over the next twelve months.

Could Republicans retake the Senate?

Today, Democrats control 55 seats in the Senate, to 45 for Republicans. So Republicans would have to gain a net of six seats in 2014 in order to gain the majority. National Journal’s Hotline estimates that the top seven seats most vulnerable to a change in control belong to Democrats today.

The reason why these seats all belong to Democrats is that they were last up for dispute in 2008, a strong Democratic year headlined by the “hope and change” Obama campaign, the late-breaking financial crisis, and general fatigue from the Bush years. In order of vulnerability, Hotline’s top seven are South Dakota, West Virginia, Montana, Arkansas, Alaska, Louisiana, and North Carolina. (Eighth on their list is a seat currently controlled by Republicans in Georgia.)

“If the election were held today, Republicans would probably win back the majority,” a longtime Democratic strategist told Josh Kraushaar. “But we know for sure the election would not be held today.”

So the question, then, is this: will voters feel better about Democrats, and about Obamacare, in a year than they do today?

The pace of enrollment is slowly improving

While the pace of enrollments in Obamacare exchange-based plans is still far behind the administration’s original—and cautious—projections, it’s improving. UnitedHealth’s QSSI unit has been brought in to directly address many of the problems that the administration has caused.

Enthusiasts are calling it a “November surge,” but it has more in common with the normal trajectory of enrollment periods. Enrollment starts out slow, and then steadily increases over time. Here’s a chart that Georgetown’s Jack Hoadley put together on how the pace of enrollment grew in the first year of Medicare’s Part D prescription-drug benefit in 2005 and 2006.

Medicare-D-enrollment

Part D enrolled about ten percent of its enrollees in the first month; Obamacare enrolled 106,185 in the first month using the administration’s inflated figures, which would translate to roughly 1 million enrollees by the March 31 deadline.

However, the administration’s early goal was to enroll 7 million people in the new exchanges; that is what the Congressional Budget Office had projected for the first year. It was also what the Department of Health and Human Services projected in an internal memo obtained by Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar of the Associated Press.

That goal is unlikely to be met. But could they get to 3 million? Sure, though it’s not clear that they’ve made enough improvements to the exchange infrastructure to get there. And that leads to a problem for the White House, because the law’s political success depends on creating more winners than losers.

Losers will far outnumber winners

The President has been trying to spin Obamacare’s problems by claiming that only “5 percent” of Americans are affected by the law’s cancellations of old insurance plans. But that’s not true. The law makes more than half of all private insurance plans illegal; the administration estimated in 2010 that 80 million Americans with employer-sponsored coverage would be forced off their old plans and into Obamacare-compliant ones, along with 13 million cancellations in the market for people who shop for coverage on their own. That’s a total of 93 million.

Most of those people will still have health coverage under the Obamacare system. But that new coverage is likely to be more expensive and less attractive, with higher premiums, higher deductibles, and narrower physician networks.

Obamacare cuts $716 billion from the Medicare program over the next ten years; these cuts will disproportionately affect seniors on Medicare Advantage. While Medicare Advantage needs to be reformed, the 14 million people enrolled in the program aren’t going to feel like Obamacare is doing them any favors. And this market is of far greater importance to private insurers like United, Aetna, and Humana than the exchanges are.

So, that’s 13 million individual-market cancellations, plus at least 80 million people facing higher costs for employer-sponsored insurance, plus 14 million Medicare Advantage customers facing meaningful cuts. On the plus side of the ledger, if we’re optimistic, we’ll say 4 million enrollees in the Obamacare exchanges. Plus we’ll count the 10 million new enrollees in the Medicaid program as “winners,” for the sake of argument. That’s 107 million losers to 14 million winners.

A true death spiral is unlikely

A lot of people have been fretting about whether the administration will succeed at convincing young people to blow thousands of dollars a year on overpriced health insurance products. The fear is that, if young people don’t plug their bank accounts into Obamacare, there won’t be enough money to provide older and sicker people with subsidized coverage, leading to a collapse of the individual market for health insurance.

That’s not the likely outcome, for one reason in particular: the subsidies. For people at or near the poverty line, and for people nearing retirement, taxpayer-funded subsidies will do a lot to bring down the net cost of Obamacare’s insurance products. Those two groups will not face the same adverse selection “death spiral” as other, unsubsidized groups will.

We see this in states like New York and New Jersey. These states have had Obamacare-like exchanges that subsidized coverage for lower-income individuals not eligible for Medicaid. The prices for insurance in those subsidized markets were much lower than those in the heavily regulated, but unsubsidized, individual market.

A second reason that we won’t see a true death spiral is the individual mandate. While not everyone will heed the mandate’s requirement to buy government-certified insurance, many will. They won’t be happy about it, but their extra payments into the health care system will ameliorate the adverse selection problem.

Effectively, Obamacare will be a two-tiered system. It will work fine for the people who qualify for substantial subsidies—people at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty line. Everyone else is likely to pay more.

Wild card: The courts could abolish the federal exchange

There’s one wild card that could throw all of these projections out the window: the Supreme Court. If you read the text of the Affordable Care Act, the law actually makes no provisions for the delivery of taxpayer-funded subsidies through Obamacare’s federal insurance exchange. Obama’s Treasury Department has elected to ignore this problem and pretend it doesn’t exist. But, typically, the executive branch isn’t allowed to spend hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars without permission of Congress.

The state of Oklahoma, one of the many states that did not build a federal exchange, is suing the federal government on this point. Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute and Jonathan Adler of Case Western Reserve have been helping to move this case through the courts. If Oklahoma wins at the federal appeals court level, it’s a case that will likely make its way to the Supreme Court.

Chief Justice John Roberts has shown that he’s willing to twist himself into a pretzel to save Obamacare and avoid howls from his left. Odds are that he’d do so again, if the Oklahoma case got to him. But let’s give it a 40 percent chance that he would adhere to the text of the Affordable Care Act and rule that federal exchange subsidies are illegal. What then?

The adverse selection death spiral I pooh-poohed above would become a more serious possibility. Those gaining subsidies on the federal exchanges would have to pay the unsubsidized—higher—price for coverage. Most states would eventually build their own exchanges, but that could take several years.

Bottom line: Obamacare’s popularity is unlikely to get better

Yes, the website will improve over time. But the cost of insurance on the website will not. And the cost of insurance for everyone else is also going up. And many of the law’s “winners”—mainly low-income people qualifying for subsidies—already vote Democrat, if they vote at all.

If anything, Americans are only beginning to become aware of the fact that they will pay more for health insurance under Obamacare. “I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,” said one Californian when she first saw her bill. The President and his Democratic allies have been assuring Americans that they will see no changes to their health coverage under the law. That isn’t true. And one year from now, we’re likely to see voters make their dissatisfaction known.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/11/30/obamacares-website-wont-be-working-by-november-30-but-what-if-it-isnt-working-by-november-2014/?partner=yahootix

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posted December 01, 2013 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you think of voting in the states with no picture ID's, Randall?

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posted December 01, 2013 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's absurd and should be stopped.

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posted December 02, 2013 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
It's absurd and should be stopped.

But, if it isn't stopped, do you still believe we have free elections

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posted December 02, 2013 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if the no pic ID was made law, Randall?

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posted December 02, 2013 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pity the website is doing so much better and people are signing up, huh?

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posted December 02, 2013 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We don't even know if signing up via the site is legal. The Supreme Court will decide. And a paltry 100K is far from the 7 million needed for this Ponzi scheme to maintain itself. Young healthy people are not going to shell out thousands for an overpriced product they don't want or need.

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posted December 02, 2013 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the deal with Obamacare, in my opinion. It was made to fail. In the process, it has destroyed the insurance companies.

It has caused pain and suffering to this country that NOBama hates. It will create chaos which NoBama loves. Then, after all the good insurance is ruined, Nobama will offer his and no one will have a choice.

That was the plan all along, in my opinion.


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posted December 02, 2013 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do tell, how have the insurance companies been "destroyed"?

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posted December 03, 2013 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Do tell, how have the insurance companies been "destroyed"?

As I understand it,it`s the exact opposite.

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posted December 03, 2013 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The insurance companies have been destroyed for a number of reasons. First, they followed the law and sent out cancellation notices.
Now, they have some "grey consent" to re-instate people. What the eff does that mean? What does that look like, in practical terms. It makes them law breakers.

Then, we have the insurance companies in a royal mess and NoBama setting them up to be blamed when people can't get their proper policies.

In simple terms, NoBama broke the clock. He shoves the broken clock into the lap of the insurance companies. They can't fix it or it goes against the law. Then, NOBama will blame them and turn the low info voter against them making a huge outcry for their destruction and for NoBamacare to come to the rescue.

NObama ruined the industry. If people can't see it, they don't have foresight. Just wait. Everything I ever told you on here has come true or will come true.

I am not happy to say this but someone has to.

I feel like the people who told Germany about Hitler but they would not listen until Hitler had all the guns and all the info about people( and national healthcare btw)

Then, no one could stop him. I am telling you here and now that this is the same thing.

I stake everything I have on it!

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posted December 03, 2013 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ACA handed the insurance companies millions of new customers. With the proviso that actual coverage not be denied sick people when they needed it, and preventive tests abd treatment.

The law states that those who did not CHANGE their policies could keep them. Immediately the insurance companies told people their old policies had to be updated, which CHANGED those policies.

In other words they tricked customers into giving up the policies they could have kept. Without tevhnically breakung the law, they perverted it to raise premiums while the going was good.

The govt should have been all over this 2 years ago so they could bee accused of collusion or at the least turning a blind eye.

Those customers didn't avail themselves of the actual-factual law so they too could be held responsible, but like the IRS the insurance companies were less than honest in this scenario.

Now it has been determined that despite all these people being on the wrong side of.the letter of the law, the spirit of the law should be upheld, and the insurers don't want to waste tge $$ that manhours and paperwork will eat up - ie the extra profits made off unsuspicious customers over the last two years...and you blame Obama for destroying these companies? They are doing their best to have their cake and eat it too.

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"The law states that those who did not CHANGE their policies could keep them. Immediately the insurance companies told people their old policies had to be updated, which CHANGED those policies."..Catalina/katatonic

BS, O'Bomber had new rules written AFTER O'BomberCare was passed which made it impossible for insurance companies to continue to sell the old policies to people who wanted to keep their same coverage. The business insurance mandate was only delayed for a year by O'Bomber and that by violating the law and violating his oath of office to "FAITHFULLY EXCUTE THE LAWS CONGRESS PASSES"

The next shoe to drop will be the small business policies. That will throw millions more people off the insurance policies they like.

Then, there's the major business policies which will have to be cancelled. That will throw about 70-90 million more people off the insurance policies they like.

Altogether, up to 120 million Americans will lose their insurance policies they like.

Let me remind the usual suspects and O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers.

More than 80% of insured Americans liked their insurance policies...before O'BomberCare came along and O'Bomber lied to America through his teeth....IF YOU LIKE YOUR INSURANCE, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR INSURANCE...PERIOD!

So, we had a reported 30 million Americans without insurance. A large number of them didn't want insurance, could have had insurance but they were healthy and felt they didn't need it.

After throwing more than 100,000,000 Americans off the insurance they like, there will still be 30 million Americans without insurance. So says the Congressional Budget Office.

Socialist Progressive demoscats are going to pay the price for destroying private American insurance Americans like, raising their insurance premiums, restricting the doctors they can see as patients, hospitals where they can be treated and...FOR LYING TO AMERICA ABOUT O'BOMBERCARE.

I believe Socialist Progressive demoscats are going to start paying that price in November 2014 when large numbers of them are going to be involuntarily retired...unelected.

In my opinion it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of moronic Socialist Progressives.

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posted December 03, 2013 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The law states that those who did not CHANGE their policies could keep them

That was a Bozo statement to try to fool low info voters. The insurance companies were MADE to change the policies and so the policies could never be kept

Uninformed people were expected to believe the horse manure as seems to have happened in this case

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posted December 03, 2013 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The part of the law that said people could keep their policies was altered to specify that if those policies were changed after 2010 they would no longer be "grandfatherable". So the companies who bamboozled people into taking "newly compliant" policies were cheating them out of keeping their old policies.

Obama didn't write the new rules, that was done in congress.

So tired of all the catastrophizing. The facts you are so afraid of are visions of paranoia.

The insurance business needs to get honest or get lost. If I had been insured when I went to the ER the bill would have been 70% higher..what does that tell you about what insurance has done to medical costs?

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posted December 03, 2013 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The grandfather clause is only till next year (after the elections). So, whether you drowned now or in a year, you're still dead in the water. Obama knew what he was doing. It was deliberate. He was warned by his advisors what the consequences would be. Those results are exactly what he wanted--he just wanted it to be after the 2014 elections. Socialists simply don't understand capitalism and free market economies. How could they?

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Originally posted by Randall:
The grandfather clause is only till next year (after the elections). So, whether you drowned now or in a year, you're still dead in the water. Obama knew what he was doing. It was deliberate. He was warned by his advisors what the consequences would be. Those results are exactly what he wanted--he just wanted it to be after the 2014 elections. Socialists simply don't understand capitalism and free market economies. How could they?

Yes, it is very sad.

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posted December 03, 2013 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The thing that makes socialism not work is that you always run out of other people's money. These people love socialism cuz they love to take other people's money but don't have the paltry amount of wisdom to see that it is untenable.

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posted December 03, 2013 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does "these people" mean, Ami, apart from being an insult?

If you have insurance now or have in the past, you were paying a regular amount into an account with the understanding that, by clubbing together with others, you would be covered if extraordinary expense befell your health.

That is all the ACA is about, and making sure people aren't fleeced and/or booted out in their time of need or because the'd been sick in the past.

Yet you think one is socialist and the other isn't. The ACA is basically a Fair Practice law with assurance to the industry they'll have lots of customers. Would you rather no one oversees the honesty of the companies you feel so sorry for? That you have no basis on law to force them to hold up their end?

I know government is tedious and bureaucratic, but so is dealing with an insurance company...if you've ever been very ill or had a car accident you probly know what I mean.

But I still don't know who you mean by "these people" which sounds ever so derogatory but identifies no one?

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posted December 03, 2013 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I admit there appear to be people who thought the law meant free healthcare...the people who weren't paying ANY attention. No one else is that clueless, except the people who still haven't heard about the law at all, and I met one of thise a few weeks back!

However there are just as many people who still have no idea what their current or old policy covered...like the woman who Fox intervirwed who discovered in the process that her "satisfactory" policy at $50/mo meant she was paying $600 a year for basically nothing. Hers was not a unique policy.

I haven't had insurance for decades...apart from some travel coverage and what I paid taxes for in England, and I did cover my daughter w a grouo policy thru her school for awhile. I don't want insurance either I would love to turn back time to oldfashioned doctors and prices, but it's not gonna happen is it?

If their had been single payer or even a public option, then all the handwringing about "socialism" might be understandable, but this ain't it, folks!

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posted December 03, 2013 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does "these people" mean, Ami, apart from being an insult?

It means people like you who want to take other people's money for themselves and "programs".

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Cata, if I don't come back and fight with you, it is not because I capitulated. I just got busy

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Right, not like you always bite and run, eh? You prove by saying things like that that you have no idea who I am...again. I have never received a single benefit I didn't pay for. Can you say the same with your life of living off other people's money? Just taking you at your word here, you are the freeloader not me.

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Right, not like you always bite and run, eh? You prove by saying things like that that you have no idea who I am...again. I have never received a single benefit I didn't pay for. Can you say the same with your life of living off other people's money? Just taking you at your word here, you are the freeloader not me.


You are so nasty

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posted December 03, 2013 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think youmean I don't take your nasty lying down, don't you? When you say "people like you" and accuse me of wanting other people's money you are being not only nasty but presumptuous and wrong. By your own description you have never had to work. I have worked since my late teens to carry my own weight. When you can say the same you can criticize the working poor and those who have nothing.

You are rude and arrogant in your little bubble of selfrighteous outrage from the comfort of your home. You have no idea what you are talking about but you scoff at others.

And you call yourself Christian lmao

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