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jwhop
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posted December 05, 2013 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You usual suspects and O'Bomber Kool-Aid swillers are, as usual, out of step with the rest of America.

81% Favor Repealing or Changing Health Care Law
Tuesday, December 03, 2013

Voters overwhelmingly want to change or repeal the new national health care law. One-out-of-two want to scrap it completely and start over again.

Given the problems associated with the law, a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters believe Congress and the president should repeal it and start again from the beginning. That’s up from 43% support in late October. Another 31% think Congress and the president should go through the law piece by piece to improve it.

Just 16% want to leave the law the way it is, down slightly from 18% four weeks ago.
www.rasmussenreports.com

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posted December 05, 2013 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You usual suspects and O'Bomber Kool-Aid swillers are, as usual, out of step with the rest of America.

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posted December 05, 2013 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's do the math. 50% think it should be scrapped and rewritten

31% think Congress should FIX it.
16% are fine with it.
3% ...didn't answer? Who knows or cares?

So, pretty even divide really. Obama being in the second category himself...along with many frustrated congressmen who are being denied the right to
Fix it.

Of those who did answer how many do you think know the difference between the PPACA and Obamacare?

How many actually know what is in those pages?

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posted December 05, 2013 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, and that ****** website, the product ofPrivate Sector Contracting.

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posted December 05, 2013 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"So, pretty even divide really"..Catalina/katatonic

Pretty even divide??

Not hardly!

50% of Americans want to scrap O'BomberCare and start over.

Only 16% want to keep O'BomberCare the way it is.

More Marxist Math from the usual suspects?

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posted December 06, 2013 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
16 like it as is.
31 think it needs revision including those who sponsored it.

Ie they don't want to chuck it but acknowledge its not perfect.

That is 47% to 50% with a mysterious 3% unresponsive...dead? Fictitious? What?

In any case the mystery 3% make the difference between those who want to scrap it and those who don't.

It's all in your slant, isn't it?

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posted December 07, 2013 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, let's do the math...but not Marxist math.

50% want to scrap O'BomberCare and start over.

16% like O'BomberCare as it is and don't want any changes.

So that 31% who think O'BomberCare needs revision are most definitely not on the side of those who believe O'BomberCare is the best thing since sliced bread. They're on the side of those who think O'BomberCare is a total F-UP and are not down with the program.

I make that to be...

81% are not for O'BomberCare vs
16% who are.

That's in no way an "equal divide".

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posted December 07, 2013 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like I said, its all in your slant. And that "likely voters" thang is a load of old cobblers.

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posted December 07, 2013 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, let's do the math...but not Marxist math.

They only KNOW Marxist Math, Jwhop

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posted December 07, 2013 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guessing the 3% are either those who still haven't figured out what it is...or the few who think healthcare reform is really a waste of time.

I note that all 97% answers want something BETTER not GONE

Nice try but I'm holding onto the cigar. You can surely do better.

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posted December 07, 2013 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Like I said, its all in your slant."..Catalina/katatonic

No, it's all YOUR slant.

50% want to send O'BomberCare to the scrap heap and start over.

16% want to keep O'BomberCare just as it is.

31% want O'BomberCare changed.

16% are for the status quo
81% want O'BomberCare reformed or repealed.

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posted December 08, 2013 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll bet you could do this all night if someone humoured you...don't you have a punching bag in the house?

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posted December 08, 2013 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
I'll bet you could do this all night if someone humoured you...don't you have a punching bag in the house?


You so project your stuff on other people

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posted December 09, 2013 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR MEANS; TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR NEEDS"

Spreading the wealth around...by government decree...Barack Hussein O'Bomber. Even if it kills Americans by removing their insurance which pays for their life threatening illness or disease.

And...all the usual suspects and O'Bomber Kool-Aid swillers cheer. Compassionate aren't they!

December 8, 2013
Obamacare Metes Out Restitution
Jeannie DeAngelis

It's becoming clearer by the day that Barack Obama's pursuit of social justice will leave bodies in its wake.

Even if a 17-year-old girl with a rare neurological brain disease loses her health insurance, the president remains unwavering in his stated commitment to redistribute America's wealth - even though it often goes to people with the mentality of the Obama Phone lady.

The unstated message is that after 200+ years of inequality, if the playing field that has been lopsided too long is to be leveled, unfortunately, dead children and suffering adults are necessary 'collateral damage.'

Speaking of privilege, as the American healthcare system circles a drain of confusion and despair, taking morale and wellbeing with it, Mr. Obama is busy planning his getaway to the historical site of the attack on Pearl Harbor in Oahu, Hawaii.

The yearly Obama family Holiday in Hawaii generally includes the ladies, along with pets Bo and Sunny, making an early departure; the $181K per-hour Air Force One flying Dad out to meet the girls; rent; security; family and friend tag-alongs; and 16 days of decadent dining, golf, and shaved ice.

The price tag for the jaunt is rumored to be somewhere around $4 million. Not to be overly judgmental, but that large a 'piece of pie' would certainly cover the healthcare costs of many of the critically ill children inadvertently affected by the president's insincere effort to prove he "cares."

As the Obamas pack for Oahu, five million Americans who were adequately and affordably insured have lost their healthcare coverage. In addition, after the first of the year, 50-75 million other currently-insured Americans anticipate losing their employer-provided health coverage.

For those fortunate enough to still have employer-provided healthcare, don't start counting your money just yet. Starting on January 1, 2014, while the Obamas are still funning and sunning in Hawaii, new taxes and fees will be tacked on to everyone's healthcare bills. These additional charges are required to support the cost of health insurance for lower-income families headed by women like Peggy Joseph, who, when Obama got elected, expressed relief that she wouldn't have to worry about filling her gas tank and paying her mortgage anymore.

Meanwhile, so what if 17-year-old Johanna Benthel, a girl diagnosed with a rare neurological disorder, has endured upwards of 80 surgeries to address her "medically fragile state?" So what if Johanna was lying in intensive care recuperating from brain surgery when her mother Eileen realized that the insurance covering her daughter's medical needs may have been cancelled? And so what if a cancer-stricken seven-year-old named Hunter Alford can't get his chemotherapy because his health insurance was also lost?

This is 'fairness' we're talking about here! For the first time in history, America has a president who has vowed that even if it takes three more Hawaiian holiday vacations totaling $12 million, he will never reconsider or repeal the unaffordable, uncaring Affordable Care Act.

America should just see it as belated bureaucratically-administered payback. And like it or not, come hell or high water, regardless of the devastation it causes, it will come to pass.

Why? Because according to sycophantic reporter Jim Kuhnhenn, in an article entitled Income Inequality a Defining Challenge, when he's not vacationing in Oahu Barack Obama is deeply concerned for those locked in the prison of income inequality. In fact, no one is more deeply concerned than Obama.

And America wonders why millions of families in health crises are now being forced to purchase overpriced, substandard health insurance? It's because Barack Obama needs funds to make monetary restitution to those he deems more worthy.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/12/obamacare_metes_out_restitution.html

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posted December 09, 2013 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a new word for the usual suspects and O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers. Pay attention!

HIPPA

Usual suspects and O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers were wringing their hands and wetting themselves over insurance companies cancelling the insurance policies of those who were ill...because they were ill and costing insurance companies money. Remember??

Well, it was just more blithering, blathering O'Bomber leftist bullshiiit.

Cancelling insurance policies of those who are ill has been illegal since the administration of Kommander Korruption.

But apparently, by O'Bomber's illegal decree, sick Americans ARE having their insurance cancelled.

Individual mandates have already caused the cancellation of more than 5.5 MILLION individual insurance policies...some of them insured sick individuals who were undergoing treatment for life threatening illnesses or diseases.

Next year, the estimates are that an additional 100 MILLION+ Americans will also have their insurance policies canceled because of the Marxist Messiah O'Bomber's ego driven need to control 1/6th of the US economy and by royal decree set insurance policy provisions.

December 9, 2013
IRS Goes After Obamacare Whistleblowers: An Interview with C. Steven Tucker
By Arlen Williams

By now, the news has spread online of the IRS audit notices sent to two Obamacare whistleblowers. On November 25th, cancer victim Bill Elliott and C. Steven Tucker were informed of the ordeal each was to face. Elliott has been waging a pitched battle with cancer. Tucker is the insurance agent and healthcare freedom activist who informed him that the canceling of his insurance, wrought by the Obama administration for the sake pushing citizens into Obamacare, was illegal. Tucker reached out immediately after Elliott appeared on Fox News' The Kelly File, Nov. 7th, and Elliott's insurance was hastily reinstated.

What subsequently transpired for Tucker has deepened his impression that the twin IRS notices were no coincidence, but an attack by our federal government, an orchestrated effort at intimidation of them both. Friday, December 7th, he was visited in his home by an IRS official and received yet another threatening notice by mail.

All that follows is an interview Mr. Tucker has just granted via email, after our initial correspondence. He will explain his concern after our first question and answer, about news of a yet more urgent nature, which compels him to action.

First of all, you not only helped Bill Elliott get reinstated in his health insurance, you are relating to all Americans that, contrary to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius' dictates, it is against HIPPA law for anyone with a life threatening condition to have his insurance terminated, do I have that correct?

You do indeed. The health insurers across the nation who are canceling health insurance policies based on a posting in the Federal Register in June of 2010 which redefined the 'grandfathered clause' in the original PPACA (Obamacare) legislation are violating federal law. Specifically section 2742 of Public Law 104-191 (HIPAA). It is linked at my blog: TruthAboutPreexistingConditions.com.

This is an existing federal law that is still on the books and that is relied upon, expanded upon, and referred to multiple times throughout the 960 pages of the PPACA legislation. This law was codified by congress and signed by President Clinton in 1997. Since that was signed into law it has been and still is illegal for any health insurer to cancel anyone's coverage when they are sick. Regardless of what Barack Obama or anyone else says. It has been and still is illegal for any health insurance anywhere in the nation to 'drop your coverage' when you get sick. Period. And, when I say period I mean it, unlike Barack Obama.

This is the law that I used to help Bill Elliott (the man with cancer who appeared on Megyn Kelly's show who had his health insurance canceled during cancer treatment) get his health insurance policy restored with no deductible or premium increase. Bill was even assured by his insurer that he will be able to keep his policy going forward permanently.

HHS is violating this existing federal law by requiring health insurers to cancel these existing policies based on a random posting by HHS in the Federal Register in June of 2010. A posting in the Federal Register does not trump existing federal law, most especially HIPPA, that is relied upon, expanded upon, and referred to in the PPACA. By faxing section 2742 of public law 104-191 over to his insurer (with the help of South Carolina governor Nikki Haley) Bill was able to retain his policy even after it was illegally canceled by his insurer.

My goal is to inform every American who has had their policy canceled about this law and instruct them on how to use it to get their policy restored. Since this story broke I have been in contact with the organization representing Whitney Johnson and I have been in direct contact with Eileen and Steve Benthal. Whitney is a 26 year old single mother who has been featured in the news. Whitney has multiple sclerosis and she had her policy illegally canceled as well.

Eileen Benthal appeared on the Sean Hannity show on Friday December 6th 2013. Her daughter Johanna was born with congenital malformations in her brain called Multiple Cavernous Angiomas. She has the CCM3 genetic mutation, the most aggressive type of the familial form of this disease. Johanna has over 30 of these vascular malformations in her brain. There is no cure for cavernous malformations except brain surgery to remove the malformations that are causing the most life-threatening and/or debilitating effects. She also developed hydrocephalus, fluid in her brain, requiring the placement of a permanent shunt. Over the past 17 years, Johanna has had over 86 surgeries, most of these in her brain. While cavernous malformations are non-cancerous, they do proliferate and hemorrhage, causing stroke-like symptoms, cognitive and motor delays, and seizures.

It is immoral, illegal, and unconscionable that Barack Obama's administration would instruct her insurer to cancel her health insurance coverage and force her to accept an Obamacare compliant "Medal" plan which will increase her premium by $1,000 a month and remove Johanna's access to her current hospital and doctor. This, after Barack Obama promised over and over and over again, 'If you like your plan you can keep your plan and no one will take it away from you, period.' Barack Obama is a pathological liar and innocent, sick Americans are now suffering because of his lies.

When we had some Q and A a few days ago, you were about to be visited by a representative of the IRS, on Friday, December 6th. Who asked for that meeting? Did the IRS say what they wanted to meet about, before it occurred?

Yes, Treasury Inspector General Robert Williams made an unannounced visit to my old office in Palatine on December 4th, 2013. I was not there so he called my cell phone at 4 p.m. that same day. I answered and he stated that 'I stopped by your office and you were not there, we noted your story in the news and we would like to discuss the issue you are having as soon as possible'. I said 'that sounds good, we can meet in my home at 11 a.m. on Friday - December 6th 2013.'

When I hung up the phone. I immediately called my attorney. He then connected me on a three way phone call to William J. Sneckenberg, Esq. - Senior Litigation Attorney and Appellate Specialist at the Sneckenberg, Thompson, and Brody law firm in Chicago. After hearing the story, Mr. Sneckenberg said it was 'highly irregular' for the IRS to be sending a letter of demand for a tax return that was filed more than a decade ago. Normally, the look back period is anywhere from 3 to 5 years. He then said he wanted to be in my home to represent me when Treasury Inspector General Williams arrived.

On Friday morning Mr. Sneckenberg arrived and reviewed the letters of demand from the IRS and then contacted his CPA. His CPA also agreed that this is highly irregular. Then Treasury Inspector General Williams arrived with an associate. He showed me his business card and his badge and then sat down to begin his inquisition of sorts during which he and his associate took copious notes. To my surprise his questions were not designed to find out why I was sent the letters of demand but more to find out more about me and even more surprisingly my new friend Bill Elliott.

He asked for Bill Elliott's phone number twice. I did not give him Mr. Elliott's phone number. He then asked for a timeline of events. He asked 'How did you first meet Bill? What law did you use to help him get his policy restored? What television program did he appear on?' etc. He then asked for my full name and my social security number since the IRS letters of demand were sent to my corporation and not to my personal name. And, then at the end of his line of questioning he made sure to tell me that 'you need to resolve these issues with the IRS, if not, as you may be aware, you may be visited again by other IRS representatives in your home and we do reserve the right to garnish your wages and lien your assets.' Mr. Sneckenberg and I then wished them a Happy Holiday and showed them both the door.

After they left and whilst the exhaust from their government vehicle was still lingering in my driveway I received a knock on the door from my post man who had in his hands a certified letter from the IRS. That letter stated 'Intent to seize your property or rights to property. Amount due immediately $2,106.05.' If you do not call us immediately or pay the amount due by December 19, 2013, we will seize ("levy") your property or rights to property and apply it to the $2,106.05 you owe.'

This supposed amount they are demanding payment for is for the year 2010, where they state I did not file my W2s. My tax documents are prepared by a licensed CPA and are done correctly each year. If I had not filed my W2s I would not have been able to complete my 2010 corporate and personal tax returns which are sitting right next to me as I write you these responses. My CPA and my attorney are completely baffled by both the 2010 demand and the 2003 demand for $3,592.19.

Did they tell you that you were getting a second notice by them, or was that a surprise?

They did not tell me I was going to receive a second notice. It was indeed one helluva surprise.

Considering the very real connections with Bill Elliott in this series of events and his audit and its timing and your subsequent series of contacts by the IRS, what do you draw from their behavior toward you each?

I feel a bit like Catherine Englebrecht right now. Catherine and her husband are Tea Party patriots who were systematically targeted by the IRS, ATF, FBI, and OSHA for a 'long train of abuses' over a three year period in what is arguably the most egregious abuse of this administration's power over law abiding citizens as of yet on record.

After listening to Lois Lerner plead the 5th during congressional testimony and then conveniently 'retiring' early and then listening to the IRS chief counsel use the term 'I don't recall,' no less than 80 times during congressional testimony, I no longer believe in coincidences. I believe Bill and I are both being targeted for exercising our first amendment rights by accurately criticizing Barack Obama's disastrous health care law.

Doesn't Obamacare's law include the hiring of many more IRS agents and an expansion of their roles and tasks stemming from its insurance and health care processes?

It does indeed. In fact, thousands of IRS agents have already been hired and thousands more will have to be in the near future in order to facilitate the transfer of 'APTX' - 'Advance Premium Tax Credits' that Barack Obama is using to artificially lower the high cost of PPACA approved 'Medal' health insurance plans that will be sold inside the new HIX 'Health Insurance Exchange Marketplace.'

The IRS will also be enforcing the employer 'Shared Responsibility' excise tax of $2,000 for every full time employee from the 30th employee on up, for all employers with 50 or more 'full time equivalents' who refuse to comply and purchase PPACA approved health insurance beginning in 2015.

As a reminder, this onerous excise tax was going to be applied beginning in 2014. That was until Barack Obama illegally, unilaterally and unconstitutionally delayed it until 2015, in order to help his fellow Democrats politically survive the 2014 midterm elections.

With all this, coupled with members of the IRS undergoing training in the use of automatic weapons, as witnessed by Rep. Jeff Duncan (R) of South Carolina, also the non-Defense Department purchase of up to a hundred years worth of normal use of ammunition, including hollow-points banned by the Geneva Convention, what do you think about where all this appears to be going?

We are living under a soft tyranny right now. As the Great One Mark Levin Esq. so aptly states,

'we are unmoored from our constitution and we are living in a post constitutional America.' My constant fear is that one day soon that tyranny will no longer be soft but will develop into a hard tyranny. The evidence you just presented increases my fears.

Have you had any conversations with major media, since your audit notice?

one of the members of Barack Obama's praetorian guard media, what I call the 'old media' has bothered to contact me, but this story is now a national news story thanks to the real journalists who comprise the new media.

That stated, paging Mr. Issa. Mr Darrell Issa, please pick up the Red, White, and Blue Courtesy phone! You too Sean Hannity. Please gentlemen, this information could help millions of Americans. When I say millions, I mean the 5.6 million who have already had their health plan illegally canceled and the millions more who will lose their individual and family plans this year. And, the 50 to 93 million employer sponsored plans that will be terminated next year, thanks in part to another posting in the Federal Register in April of 2010.

Do you think it's odd that Megyn Kelly hasn't followed up, since her interview of Bill on November 7th?

I do indeed. This was Megyn's story and she even reached out to me on Facebook personally, to thank me for helping Bill. I know she is very busy and she has been sick recently as well, so I still remain hopeful she will reach out to either Bill or myself in the very near future.

Have you had any talks with any members of Congress?

I have not. That said, my representative is Tammy Duckworth. She is lockstep, moving 'forward' with Barack Obama so I do not expect any help from her.

How about legal assistance? (We understand that Jay Sekulow's ACLJ is working with many of the IRS-harassed Tea Party leaders.)

I would be very appreciative if Mr. Sekulow would contact me.

One last question for now, something that bothers me. Republicans in the House who have been investigating the IRS focus upon their management staff and question what the White House knew and knows about it. And new media has pointed out that just before the Tea Party harassment began, Colleen Kelley, the president of the IRS' union visited the White House, apparently for a seminar (why they would need a union considering their pay and benefits, I wouldn't know). But, the cabinet level supervisor of the Internal Revenue Service is the Secretary of the Treasury. That was Timothy Geithner when all this started.

Geithner was the president at the Federal Reserve's major bank in New York during the mortgage meltdown of 2008. He has found himself in tax payment trouble, not having paid all his taxes. And he is the son of Barack Obama's deceased mother's boss at the historically suspect Ford Foundation, which has a history of being simultaneously infested with Marxists and U.S. intelligence operatives. He has been in significant positions with Kissinger Associates, the CFR, the IMF, and in a prior time the Treasury Department. He was in charge of the IRS from the time of Obama's inauguration, to January, 2013. Why do you suppose no one in Congress or in major media bring up his name, nor that of the subsequent Treasury secretaries? Any ideas?

Come on now, you know the answer to that question already sir. The rules don't apply to Barack Obama's corporatist friends. They only apply to us serfs. After all, as you know, we are all 'Gulag Bound.'
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/12/irs_goes_after_obamacare_whistleblowers_an_interview_with_c_steven_tucker.html

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Here's a new word for the usual suspects and O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers. Pay attention!

Attention: Any low info voters out there. Pay attention when THE MAN speaks

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posted December 10, 2013 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HIPPA, HIPPA, HOORAY!

Oh wait, our compassionate usual suspects and O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers don't want to talk about HIPPA!

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posted December 11, 2013 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers!

What do you think about O'BomerCare kicking those with life threatening illnesses and diseases off their insurance plans...in violation of the law called...HIPPA?

You seem strangely SILENT.

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December 12, 2013
America's New Millions of Uninsureds
Russ Vaughn

As more and more Americans go online to report their experiences with Obamacare, there's an undeniable truth emerging: the Obama administration and the Democrat party have created a federal program to insure their famously promoted forty million uninsured Americans by uninsuring untold millions of previously contentedly insured Americans. There are endless negative accounts out there from middle class Americans who had been making their way through their lives, many of them self-employed entrepreneurs, who while not perfectly satisfied with their health insurance premiums and their policy limitations, nevertheless found them acceptable and affordable. And what do they say?

They are stunned by what their federal government has done to them with a legislative mandate that, according to one of the three most powerful Democrats in the land at that time, had to be passed before we could see what is in it. These affected Americans are now seeing what is in it and there is nothing there they would have approved had they been given the reasonable, democratic opportunity to do what their congress should have allowed them instead of cramming down the nation's throat in a totally partisan vote.

The entire process of enacting Obamacare was driven by the Democrat's drummed-up urgent need to insure thirty to forty million Americans who had no health coverage. Totally ignored was the reality that many millions of these uninsured were young people who traditionally have avoided the expensive burden of health care insurance until they married and started families or until they reached an age where the odds became less in their favor to remain uninsured. Also in that cohort of uninsured were millions of people who were in this country illegally, yet availing themselves of our health care systems through hospital emergency rooms that would not and could not turn them away. To fill out that apocryphal 30 to 40 million figure the Democrats and their complicit mainstream media kept throwing at us, add in the millions of people who simply participate in our society at such a disinterested, minimal level as to never make any attempt to obtain any form of health care, except like the illegals, through the emergency room.

So who are these new uninsured? They're the folks posting all over the Internet about their health insurance premiums doubling or tripling all while their deductibles have also increased to the point where virtually none of their previously covered routine medical needs are now covered. Think about that: In order to insure the uninsured young, illegals and irresponsibles, these responsible Americans have effectively lost their own coverage all while being victimized by this federal knockout. Lost their insurance? They've lost their insurance because the new, higher deductibles mean that virtually all of their routine medical coverage is now their responsibility, not their insurers.

For millions of them, their previously acceptable health care insurance has been converted without their consent, or even any opportunity to express their concerns, into a catastrophic insurance policy that would have, prior to Obamacare's passage, been available to them at a fraction of the premiums they will now have to pay.

The hard, cold actuality is that Barack Obama took health care away from these folks to give it to those he favors. The bitter, cruel reality is that these previously satisfactorily insured Americans have been de-insured by this legislative craziness imposed on this country by the Socialist Democrat party. These newly dispossessed citizens should found an activist organization and call it:

America's New Uninsured...
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/12/americas_new_millions_of_uninsureds.html

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posted December 12, 2013 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hello O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers!

What do you think about O'BomerCare kicking those with life threatening illnesses and diseases off their insurance plans...in violation of the law called...[b]HIPPA?

You seem strangely SILENT.[/B]


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posted December 12, 2013 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, who are you talking to? Where are the Obama Kool Aid drinkers? There are maybe half a dozen regular posters on this forum. Apart from Cat, who appears no more than sympathetic, who is waving the Obama flag?

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posted December 12, 2013 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Excellent question.

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posted December 12, 2013 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Jwhop, who are you talking to? Where are the Obama Kool Aid drinkers?"..shura

Well some of the O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers are front and center here...Catalina/katatonic, a reliable shill for O'Bomber and every other Socialist included.

Some others seem to be on vacation at the present time. And, just because some O'Bomber Kool-Aid enthusiasts don't say much here that doesn't mean they don't read what's said here.

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posted December 15, 2013 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought Obamacare was supposed to reach the uninsured, not create millions more in uninsured. What happened to "affordable?"

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posted December 15, 2013 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Jwhop, who are you talking to? Where are the Obama Kool Aid drinkers?"..shura

Well some of the O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers are front and center here...Catalina/katatonic, a reliable shill for O'Bomber and every other Socialist included.

Some others seem to be on vacation at the present time.


'some' equals one?

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And, just because some O'Bomber Kool-Aid enthusiasts don't say much here that doesn't mean they don't read what's said here.

So you're speaking to phantom posters? And these invisible ones who "don't say much" have somehow managed to make known to you their political sympathies? uh huh.

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