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Randall
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posted December 05, 2013 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The law of the land now goes as follows: either have healthcare insurance or pay a fine. Yet more than one in four Americans say they would rather pony up the penalty. A new Gallup poll reveals that 28% of those surveyed have no intention of signing up for health insurance, as required by the Affordable Care Act and will pay the fine instead.

The penalty in 2014 for remaining uninsured is $95 per adult and $47.50 per child or 1% of taxable income (up to $285 for a family), whichever is greater.

Fully 17% of U.S. adults currently do not have health insurance, according to Gallup. With the self-proclaimed holdouts who say they will refuse coverage, at least 5% of all U.S. adults will remain uninsured.

According to the nearly 4,000 interviews conducted with uninsured Americans since September, more than one quarter (26%) under the age of 30 say they are more likely to pay the fine, compared with 30% of those aged 30 and older.

The holdouts may be standing on political principles rather than being unable to afford coverage. Nearly half (45%) of uninsured Republicans plan to pay the fine, compared with 31% of independents and 15% of Democrats.

"For many uninsured Americans, particularly Republicans, the decision to pay the fine could be a form of protest against the law," Jeffrey M. Jones writes in an analysis for Gallup. "It is unclear whether that protest will extend only as far as their response to this survey question, or will extend to their actual behavior when the deadline to get insurance arrives."

Currently, 81% of uninsured Americans claim to be aware of the requirement to have insurance or pay a fine. Two thirds of those surveyed still say they are not familiar with the federal government health insurance exchanges.

Less than half (46%) of those who plan to get insurance say they will buy it through an exchange, while 36% say they will buy coverage elsewhere -- the remaining 17% are unsure.

"The fact that younger uninsured Americans are no more likely than older uninsured Americans to say they will pay the fine could be a positive sign for the law's ability to keep insurance affordable, assuming that the younger uninsured are no less healthy than the older uninsured," Jones says. "The biggest challenge to achieving universal coverage, however, may not be in making Americans aware of the requirement or in getting younger uninsured Americans to sign up. Rather, it may be getting those likely to oppose the law, namely Republicans, to overcome their ideological opposition to the law and sign up for insurance."

--Written by Hal M. Bundrick for MainStreet
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12137472/1/forget-obamacare-one-in-four-americans-say-theyll-pay-the-fine.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

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posted December 05, 2013 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://egbertowillies.com/2013/12/05/obamacare-scams/

Interesting lowdown from a blogger who has "actually read the ACA" and is FOR the healthcare reform..

showing that people are being paid to diss it...?

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posted December 05, 2013 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As per your articles estimates, that means 12% more will have insurance than before...and 5%(what is that 15 million people?= 1 billion dollars) will be coughing up $100 for nothing...for now, till they see the benefits of insuring themselves..

That's a lot of new insured and a nice chunk of change for the deficit, huh? Terrible!

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posted December 05, 2013 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paying that fine won't support the pyramid. And that's just until they find out there's no IRS enforcement for not paying the fine.

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posted December 05, 2013 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meanwhile small businesses in Illinois at least have clubbed together to provide good insurance at good rates for themselves. They got fed up with the hostage-taking of insurance companies, hiking prices without justification...
http://smallbusinessadvocacycouncil.org/advocacy/illinois-has-funded-health-insurance-cooperative

I think in a few years you will see how much grandstanding has been behind the haters' campaign...

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posted December 05, 2013 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you don't seem to get, Randall, is that a lot of people want to be insured butcan't. You can't fix that by destroying Obama. You CAN fix it by congress doing their job and cleaning it up.

MANY many young people already have "pre-existing" conditions. Many more are happy to be insured for a pittance. And plenty of parents of 26 and other have already leapt at the chance to cover their kids.

Meanwhile the Republicans are just itching to oust it so they can put their own in place...though if they stopped calling it "obamacare" and got to work on it, they could probly win back their base who are defecting and leaving them at the mercy of the radicals.

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posted December 05, 2013 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The young healthy don't want insurance. So why should they be forced to pay for it?

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posted December 05, 2013 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
who are these young healthy people who don't want insurance? Think this one did? http://abcnews.go.com/Health/insurance-24-year-dies-toothache/story?id=14438171

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posted December 05, 2013 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
who are these young healthy people who don't want insurance? Think this one did? http://abcnews.go.com/Health/insurance-24-year-dies-toothache/story?id=14438171

You can always find a needle in a haystack

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posted December 05, 2013 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One big reason, just like SS and M,edicare one day they will not be young and healthy, or they will have a skiing accident...and they will be saved a lot of debt by paying into a system that covers them.

Dental coverage is HUGE.

Does the law need fixing? Hell yeah!

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posted December 05, 2013 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You can always find a needle in a haystack



What in the hell does this mean? Are you trying to tell me the examples provided in the link are rare, isolated cases? You're not seriously that ignorant, are you?

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posted December 05, 2013 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, and the doctors' own AMA admits that almost all hysterectomies are unnecessary, but they do them anyway. Yes, insurance can be dangerous to your health. Who are these people who don't need insurance, you ask? Why, the ones who are going to pay the fine, instead, of course! Doctors prescribe medications in exchange for vacations and other perks. One of my friends (true story) was never sick a day in his life that I know of. He hurt his shoulder cutting branches off a tree. He went to the doctor to get a steroid shot. He died from a resulting staff infection a few days later. He joined about 600,000 plus others a year who go to a hospital for something minor and become a statistic.

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posted December 05, 2013 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes

Iatrogenic illness is the 4th cause of death. It means DOCTOR caused. Wake up

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posted December 05, 2013 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, right behind accidents. Three out of the top four are largely preventable. The first two through diet and exercise. The fourth by not having insurance.

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posted December 05, 2013 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah, and the doctors' own AMA admits that almost all hysterectomies are unnecessary, but they do them anyway. Yes, insurance can be dangerous to your health. Who are these people who don't need insurance, you ask? Why, the ones who are going to pay the fine, instead, of course! Doctors prescribe medications in exchange for vacations and other perks. One of my friends (true story) was never sick a day in his life that I know of. He hurt his shoulder cutting branches off a tree. He went to the doctor to get a steroid shot. He died from a resulting staff infection a few days later. He joined about 600,000 plus others a year who go to a hospital for something minor and become a statistic.

How is this relevant? This is your argument? Doctors suck? No way, really? AMA is in the pocket of the pharmaceutical companies. ADA, too, while we're at it. Modern western medicine is as likely to kill you as heal you. I've been through the system more than once and I've seen it up close, so you're preaching to the choir. Staph infection? Yep. My uncle nearly died from staph he picked up in the hospital. We all have horror stories. How does this relate to lacking the money for an antibiotic script? Eyeglasses? Need a broken bone set, or is their an herb that will fix that? I know someone who was bitten by a dog. 3 inch long, deep wound. No insurance despite two jobs, so he stitched himself up. God bless him, and I'll wave the flag for self reliance till my dying day, but is this acceptable in a supposedly developed nation?

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posted December 05, 2013 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yet you two are sobbing for the insurance racket's - oh sorry, business's - poor victim status. The ACA has the potential to clean up all the things you are complaining about...things directly caused by the insurance system that runs our healthcare INDUSTRY...and has turned it into a sweatshop.

Most good doctors are appalled at what the insurance mill has done to medicine. But let anyone try to make honest men out of them and you cry foul.

As I've said before, ten minutes in the ER cost me $1100 last year. If I had been insured they would have run it into the thousands.

The ACA doesn't make it any less your decision what treatment you allow! Unless you give over responsibility to the practitioners...not something my Englishfolk let happen, by the way.

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posted December 05, 2013 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And yes, big pharm, working in cahoots with big insurance, and the ACA isn't going to fix that in a few minutes but it does start the ball rolling in the direction of turning medicine back into a service not s gold mine. ZIF we don't waste.it with stonewalling, but make it better.

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posted December 06, 2013 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obamacare will clean up nothing. It is just about government control. Just like green legislation. When will Liberals learn--bigger government can't solve all our ills. It only makes things exponentially worse.

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posted December 06, 2013 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What makes things exponentially worse is letting the M-I complex run the govt. And that is a hard nut to crack. Eisenhower couldn't figure it out though he saw what was happening. Kennedy was disposed of, LBJ went along until he saw what the effect on the country really was, snd to his credit he resigned. His only way out, go quietly without pointing any fingers @ the elephant in the oval office...and so it continues.

If ever we have a President smart enough to really undermine their hold, he will alsohave to be smart enough to run his office like an aikido master...arrange things so the puppetmasters fall on their own knuves, so to speak. Obama has shown this potential, but I don't know is he is a real boy or just pinnochio...likely the latter but the jury's not out yet. Time will tell but I would take him over the trickle down crowd anyday..

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