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Topic: Speaking of JFK
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 08, 2013 11:54 PM
  
Robt F Kennedy Jr has just put out a piece, published in Rolling Stone though you can find it elsewhere online, about his uncles struggles to run his Presidency despite the obstructions and worse of themilitary/industrial complex and his "own" intelligence agencies, especially but not only the CIA. http://m.rollingstone.com/politics/news/john-f-kennedys-vision-of-peace-20131120 Does anyone here think this has not been perhaps THE problem for most modern presidents who wanted to do something that ran counter to the agenda of the Big Biz crowd? How does one effect change or clean up corruption without getting shot? IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted December 09, 2013 11:51 AM
"How does one effect change or clean up corruption without getting shot?"...Catalina/katatonicOh good, you've solved the case of the assassination of JFK. The Military Industrial Complex did it. Btw, how the hell do you know? More people believe the privately owned Federal Reserve did it than that the Military Industrial Complex did. JFK had issued an Executive Order for the US Treasury to begin issuing Silver Certificates directly without going through the Federal Reserve to issue the currency. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 968
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 09, 2013 12:01 PM
Did you read the piece, jwhop? Do you miss the connection between all the corporate masters and the MI complex? I don't know who shot him when it actually cones down to the incident. I do know he stood up to immense pressure from within the government and that he thwarted attempts to provoke a nuclear war. He defied ALL the bosses, bsnksters and gangsters of big biz and the military. Just by saying NO he put his life on the line. And so it is that our subsequent CICs have been prisoners unless they were, like GW, so keen on being John Wayne they needed no persuasion.
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shura
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posted December 09, 2013 12:24 PM
Time for a little spit n polish on the ole Kennedy mystique, eh?  (I'm humming 'Camelot' as I type, like a good American) I was a RFK jr fan once upon a time. Back in my Greenpeace shilling days. Remember his vax expose? Oh, those were good times! Ah well.It was a coup, no doubt. Jack bit the hand that fed him, so I suppose you might say he had it coming. On the other hand, surely there was some indication he'd turn? I'm surprised no one caught this. I'm also surprised they couldn't reason with him. Run over one of his kids like poor Cord Meyers'? Cancer. Heart attack. Something. Why so extreme? Everyone was excessive and obvious back then. Gauche, really. Maybe they enjoyed proving a point? Maybe it was a necessary risk. Ounce of prevention and all that. At any rate, I can't think the powers which put JFK in office will make that mistake again. So I'd say this: "Does anyone here think this has not been perhaps THE problem for most modern presidents who wanted to do something that ran counter to the agenda of the Big Biz crowd" is a moot point. IP: Logged |
shura
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posted December 09, 2013 12:33 PM
also, concerning the Military Industrial Complex, I think it's important to understand there are various ideological factions within the military. Some are intelligence based, some are old school. The later is sort of like Jwhop. They'll happily bomb the hell out of commies, fascists, terrorists, what have you, but they draw the line at raising a gun to their own people. Old school, repulsive warmongers though they can often be, is also your last line of defense. Well, was. Notice the purge of upper rank military over the last 20 years or so? Someone is removing dissenters.IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 968
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 09, 2013 01:21 PM
Sorry, as I said, I don't pin his death on the military. And I agree there is no longer any need to shoot snyone. However, LBJ was the man who was happy to twist arms and grease palms to get legislation thru, and happy to blast Vietnam off the map if necessary to "secure the region"...so the perfect replacement was right there to further the Cause...a world run for the profit of the relative few. Which we see now on the verge of official treaty lockdown. Kennedy was the warning to subsequent Presidents not to buck the game. As you point out, especially since that graphic demonstration, it is no longer necessary to actually kill anyone but it's eerie how the truly charismatic Kennedys all boughtit...and Ted was railroaded into being careful (if Chappaquidick wasn't meant to kill him too?) . I'm not full of answers, just questions. IP: Logged |
shura
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posted December 09, 2013 02:06 PM
I'm just full of answers, Cat.  My comment on the military concerns our present situation exclusively. I believe JFK wrestled with an altogether different animal. Yeah, I've wondered if Ted got lucky. Put a gun to my head (ahem) and I'll probably say no. Too obvious. He was worth more as a living breathing example and, tbh, a pawn then he was yet another dead Kennedy. And yet, RFK. so ... IP: Logged |
shura
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posted December 09, 2013 02:09 PM
yk, what I enjoy best about this all American morality tale is the media's never ending "golly gee we'll just never know what happened." Was so infuriating to hear that damn bleating again this past 50th anniversary. Do your jobs and find out!!!!IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 2500
From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 09, 2013 02:17 PM
I believe it was the FBI shooter.IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 2500
From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 09, 2013 02:19 PM
Every piece of RFK Jr that I have read in RS has been great. Haven't read this one yet, but will.IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 2500
From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
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posted December 09, 2013 02:29 PM
NOW I have that  song in my head.Dad listened to that score often. The Robert Goulet one.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=robert+goulet+videos&FORM=VIRE2#view=detail&mid=A6A7729F6E9E78B130D4A6A7729F6E9E78B130D4 IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 968
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 09, 2013 02:44 PM
Well I never fell for Greenpeace and frankly don't know much about RFK jr, however he has more inside info opps than most on this topic that is oh so too hot to handle for most. I am an apolitical animal when at home. In that I don't care for parties or labels. And I don't think any of us has the slightest clue of the pressures and sheer amount of business that has to be done from the Oval office. Me included, I am also on the outside. But I find it illuminating that someone closer to the hubs has no prob seeing that Kennedy and Kruschev BOTH had to tiptoe around their warmongering generals even then. I don't have a problem with downsizing the overaggressive out of the forces. Nor can a CIC be blamed for letting go those who publicly undermine the whole, as he sees it. In fact that would be part of the job description. I've mentioned the Godfather movies before. The exposition of how the mafia went "legit" is paralleled all across the spectrum with the infiltration of civilian business by gangsters of every cast. Including those who see the weapons trade as a goldmine and the all-too malleable members of the Forces who STILL see NUKE'EM" as an option. And the "magnates" who see their role as using their money to "fix" the world...with them, not voters, deciding the rules. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 7733
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 09, 2013 07:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Node:
I believe it was the FBI shooter.
Did you read Jim Marrs yet? ------------------
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 968
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 09, 2013 08:38 PM
Howard Hunt's son wrote a supposed deathbed confession book too. Don't know the storyline of Douglass, whom RFKjr refers to. IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 2500
From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 10, 2013 01:42 PM
Thank you Cat for posting this article.I am 1/4 the way through, and many images, [the rocking chair] and thoughts- are with me. It is also chock full of worthy quotes that apply to this day. I have to assimilate the little that I have read so far. The first couple of things that spring to mind: how fortunate all of us are to be alive.
how little our grasp of the MIC IS.
how pitiful that our dialog is so dumbed down. & @Juni, no I have not pursued Marrs yet, nor tried the carp...and I promised  have a few personal issues ATM that are occupying my time and thoughts...haven't forgotten, just on the very back burner, OK? ------------------
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juniperb
Moderator Posts: 7733
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 10, 2013 02:54 PM
Node, Take your time 
The carp and book will always be there when you`re ready!------------------
Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged.
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jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 6800
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 10, 2013 10:54 PM
"I don't know who shot him..(JFK) when it actually cones down to the incident."..Catalina/katatonicExactly, you don't know. And, since you don't know, you don't know the Military Industrial Complex had anything to do with it. Since you don't know...and shura doesn't know why RFK was killed or who was behind it, why are you two beating your gums in what appears to be tired JFK/RFK conspiracy theories. Tell me, do you also believe W was in the basement of the CIA building in Langley flying those commercial airliners into the WTC and Pentagon by remote control? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 50267
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 10, 2013 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"I don't know who shot him..(JFK) when it actually cones down to the incident."..Catalina/katatonicExactly, you don't know. And, since you don't know, you don't know the Military Industrial Complex had anything to do with it. Since you don't know...and shura doesn't know why RFK was killed or who was behind it, why are you two beating your gums in what appears to be tired JFK/RFK conspiracy theories. Tell me, do you also believe W was in the basement of the CIA building in Langley flying those commercial airliners into the WTC and Pentagon by remote control?
Ha ha Good one, Jwhop 
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 813
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posted December 12, 2013 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Well I never fell for Greenpeace and frankly don't know much about RFK jr, however he has more inside info opps than most on this topic that is oh so too hot to handle for most.
It was the 90s and I was young. Cut me some slack on that one, please.  RFK's vax expose ran in Rolling Stone and Salon. Salon deleted it a few years ago citing various misrepresentations, inaccuracies, the usual. quote:
I am an apolitical animal when at home. In that I don't care for parties or labels. And I don't think any of us has the slightest clue of the pressures and sheer amount of business that has to be done from the Oval office. Me included, I am also on the outside. But I find it illuminating that someone closer to the hubs has no prob seeing that Kennedy and Kruschev BOTH had to tiptoe around their warmongering generals even then. I don't have a problem with downsizing the overaggressive out of the forces. Nor can a CIC be blamed for letting go those who publicly undermine the whole, as he sees it. In fact that would be part of the job description.
So much power in the hands of one man, a man potentially forced to turn over the baton every four years. Not practical or prudent or wise. The President has no power. They do keep him busy though, I'll give you that. quote:
I've mentioned the Godfather movies before. The exposition of how the mafia went "legit" is paralleled all across the spectrum with the infiltration of civilian business by gangsters of every cast. Including those who see the weapons trade as a goldmine and the all-too malleable members of the Forces who STILL see NUKE'EM" as an option. And the "magnates" who see their role as using their money to "fix" the world...with them, not voters, deciding the rules.
let's start a Bill Gates thread! IP: Logged |
shura
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posted December 12, 2013 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"I don't know who shot him..(JFK) when it actually cones down to the incident."..Catalina/katatonicExactly, you don't know. And, since you don't know, you don't know the Military Industrial Complex had anything to do with it. Since you don't know...and shura doesn't know why RFK was killed or who was behind it, why are you two beating your gums in what appears to be tired JFK/RFK conspiracy theories.
Because we're posting on an old school style message board. Your first time here? That's what people do on these things. They chat, they bittch , they argue. Welcome! quote:
Tell me, do you also believe W was in the basement of the CIA building in Langley flying those commercial airliners into the WTC and Pentagon by remote control?
Pretty sure he didn't get in the required flight time for that level of sp ops. 
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 968
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 04:42 PM
Where did I say anything about who shot Kennedy? This is about the dynamic he had to work with and the warning that was delivered to all subsequent Presidents.And about the glorification of history...Kennedy was as vilified in many ways as he was loved. People like to forget that his rapprochment with USSR was as controversial as Obama's with Iran or any other "enemy". Hoover was determined to rout those Commie Kennedys. And the Brass had little respect for him either. His Congress was almost as useless as our current one. Pick your Parallel s IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 6800
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 12, 2013 11:39 PM
"Where did I say anything about who shot Kennedy?"...Catalina/katatonic"despite the obstructions and worse of themilitary/industrial complex.... How does one effect change or clean up corruption without getting shot?"..Catalina/katatonic Is English not your primary language? "Pretty sure he didn't get in the required flight time for that level of sp ops"..shura Pretty sure Bush has the requisite skills to fly those airliners. He flew one of the most dangerous and demanding US fighter jets ever released for service. The question is...why in the hell would he? IP: Logged |
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