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Randall
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posted December 28, 2013 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Office workers in search of snacks will be counting calories along with their change under new labeling regulations for vending machines included in President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law.

Requiring calorie information to be displayed on roughly 5 million vending machines nationwide will help consumers make healthier choices, says the Food and Drug Administration, which is expected to release final rules early next year. It estimates the cost to the vending machine industry at $25.8 million initially and $24 million per year after that, but says if just .02 percent of obese adults ate 100 fewer calories a week, the savings to the health care system would be at least that great.

The rules will apply to about 10,800 companies that operate 20 or more machines. Nearly three quarters of those companies have three or fewer employees, and their profit margin is extremely low, according to the National Automatic Merchandising Association. An initial investment of $2,400 plus $2,200 in annual costs is a lot of money for a small company that only clears a few thousand dollars a year, said Eric Dell, the group's vice president for government affairs.

"The money that would be spent to comply with this — there's no return on the investment," he said.

While the proposed rules would give companies a year to comply, the industry group has suggested a two-year deadline and is urging the government to allow as much flexibility as possible in implementing the rules. Some companies may use electronic displays to post calorie counts while others may opt for signs stuck to the machines.

Carol Brennan, who owns Brennan Food Vending Services in Londonderry, said she doesn't yet know how she will handle the regulations, but she doesn't like them. She has five employees servicing hundreds of machines and says she'll be forced to limit the items offered so her employees don't spend too much time updating the calorie counts.

"It is outrageous for us to have to do this on all our equipment," she said.

Brennan also doubts that consumers will benefit from the calorie information.

"How many people have not read a label on a candy bar?" she said. "If you're concerned about it, you've already read it for years."

But Kim Gould, 58, of Seattle, said he doesn't read the labels even after his choice pops out of a vending machine, so having access to that information wouldn't change what he buys.

"People have their reasons they eat well or eat poorly," Gould said.

Standing with his 12-year-old daughter near a vending machine in a medical clinic where he bought some drinks last week, he said he only makes purchases at the machines when he's hungry and has no other options.

"How do we know people who are buying candy in the vending machines aren't eating healthy 99 percent of the time?" he added.

As for the new labels, Gould said he wasn't sure what the point would be, and that they would just be "nibbling around the edges of the problem."

The FDA also is working on final rules for requiring restaurant chains with more than 20 locations to post calories information, something some cities already mandate and some large fast-food operations have begun doing voluntarily. A 2011 study in New York found that only one in six customers looked at the information, but those who did generally ordered about 100 fewer calories. A more recent study in Philadelphia found no difference in calories purchased after the city's labeling law took effect.

"There is probably a subset of people for whom this information works, who report using it to purchase fewer calories, but what we're not seeing though is a change at an overall population level in the number of calories consumed," said Brian Ebel, the study's author and an assistant professor at New York University's department of population health and medicine.

Ebel said he wouldn't be surprised if the vending machine labels end up being equally ineffective, but he said it's possible that consumers might pay more attention to them for a couple of reasons. In some locations, a vending machine might be the only food option, he said. And reading a list of calorie counts on a machine will be less overwhelming than scanning a large menu at a fast-food restaurant with other customers waiting in line behind you, he said.

"It could go either way, but I think there's at least some reason to think it could be slightly more influential in vending machines."

Even without the calorie counts, consumers already have ways to make healthier choices from vending machines. The vending machine industry group launched its "Fit Pick" system in 2005, which includes stickers placed in front of products that meet healthy guidelines for fat and sugar content. The program is used by nearly 14,000 businesses, schools and government agencies, as well as all branches of the military.
http://news.yahoo.com/health-law-put-calorie-vending-machines-150619883.html

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posted December 29, 2013 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 29, 2013 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The food industry loves to complain about the cost of truly informative labelling, as in the GMO situation. Apparently in 2005 they didn't mind forking out for labels that (falsely) claim "Fit" choices, ie make up your mind for you what is good for you...but when it comes to FACTS, well THAT is outrageously expensive and FORCES people to decide for themselves what is best...truly totalitarian!

The GMO folk also claim that labels showing their products' true makeup would be prohibitively expensive(and would make food prices jump!) and useless...in Europe, where such labels have been in place for almost 20 years now, the cost was worked out and found to be negligible to distributors and consumers.

But oh that nasty word, regulation. How dare our food providers tell us what is in our food? How dare we insist on knowing!!

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posted December 29, 2013 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As usual, you missed the whole point, and as usual you blindly defend Obama.

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posted December 30, 2013 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Caloric intake counts and vending machines . Odd combo.
I won`t eat anything out of them but the ones I see are full of candy, soda pops and chips.
Why can`t the companys offer a couple healthy alternatives instead? I`m sure the would IF the people would consume them.
The hidden laws will strangle many industries.

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posted December 30, 2013 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
As usual, you missed the whole point, and as usual you blindly defend Obama.

My thoughts exactly ROLFL

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posted December 30, 2013 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking of NoBama

My son works in fast food and everyone but managers are getting hours cut to 30 a week. My son is fortunate that he does not live paycheck to paycheck but many people do.

NoBama's plan is to break the middle class and to push them into poverty.

A poor population is easier to control. They need more government services.

That means more control for NOBama et al.

In the NOBama care is the chip. The first to be chipped will be the food stamp people and welfare people etc

Take this to the bank, Low information people, because it will happen

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posted December 30, 2013 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, as usual you have no argument to my point so you go to personal insult. I am not blind to the plethora of false issues being complained about, and this is not about Obama. He's not allowed to write the laws, remember? In any case, it's a facetious complaint and non-issue. "Opressive" - not.

The chip is not in there as you choose to believe, Ami. But the chip is here in multiple forms, yes. It predates the ACA and that is why they have mentioned ensuring proper use and monitoring...

People are lapping up chips and the biotech industry is pushing them for all kinds of uses. I suppose you think the "free" market, who brought you mercury fillings, fluoride in toothpaste, and thalidomide, should be the sole monitor of effectiveness and safety?

How about chips in your hands to open doors so you don't have to carry keys? Marvy huh? On sale now and plenty of other uses available for the enrichment of the carpetbaggers ready to jump on it. Home Security systems on sale everywhere to people who would rather be "safe" than "free" of surveillance...that is the majority by the way.

I guess we should just let them monitor themselves and when enough people die or get nabbed THEN we can hit them in their pocketbooks...that'll fix it!

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posted December 30, 2013 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama writes the law all the time...and rewrites it. He is a dictator in training.

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posted December 30, 2013 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Obama writes the law all the time...and rewrites it. He is a dictator in training.


YES, YES, YES

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posted December 30, 2013 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.westernjournalism.com/new-song-day-life-obamacare/


New Song: A Day In The Life Under Obamacare
Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/new-song-day-life-obamacare/#oZkrJrbV3JbBQkgj.99


Links ^^^

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posted December 30, 2013 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can pretend this is obama's fault if it makes you happy but honestly the fuss being made about more info being given is a total farce. The very same complaint monsanto et al make about labeling gmos, even though they are already labeling identical foods in other countries, and having separate labels for each region its actually more expensive than what its being asked for. They are afraid people won't BUY gmos...or high calorie snacks.

As i said, truly oppressive...not. If they can affOrd labels that decide for you "fit pick", they can afford to give all the facts, and hey how about gmo info while there at It?

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posted December 31, 2013 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Obama writes the law all the time...and rewrites it. He is a dictator in training."..Randall

Hear, hear!

O'Bomber has no legislative authority whatsoever...yet, he's re-written parts of O'BomberCare repeatedly...in violation of the separation of powers mandated by the Constitution.

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posted December 31, 2013 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's me looking in at this forum for the first time.

Later.

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posted January 01, 2014 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Obama writes the law all the time...and rewrites it. He is a dictator in training."..Randall

Hear, hear!

O'Bomber has no legislative authority whatsoever...yet, he's re-written parts of O'BomberCare repeatedly...in violation of the separation of powers mandated by the Constitution.



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