posted January 13, 2014 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Yeah, thanks Ami for demonstrating the availability of trickle down economic ideas from known Conservatives. You really botched Jwhop's post this time.

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posted January 13, 2014 02:06 PM            

Oh well..... jwhop will straighten it out!

posted January 13, 2014 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Back when discussions were really disussions

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posted January 14, 2014 07:41 AM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Wrong thread

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To err is human. To forgive is divine.

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posted January 17, 2014 07:12 AM            

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posted January 17, 2014 07:20 AM            

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posted January 17, 2014 09:57 AM            

Usual suspects, O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers and Marxist Socialist Progressives don't understand economics even to econ 101 levels. This is the reason Socialist Progressive economies always fail.

Trickle Down is attributed to Will Rogers from the Great Depression which O'Bomber is trying hard to duplicate in the US. Need I point out that Franklin Roosevelt..demoscat reigned over the economy...and utterly failed to revive the US economy through most of his first 2 terms of office? The US economy was bailed out of depression, not by the Socialist Progressive Roosevelt but by WWII and manufacturing buildup to supply arms to our ally Britain.

"Proponents of tax cuts often claim that savings and investment are essential to the economy, and thus fewer taxes (for any and all income brackets) need not harm any other income bracket. Economist George Reisman, a proponent of tax cuts, said the following:
Of course, many people will characterize the line of argument I have just given as the 'trickle-down' theory. There is nothing trickle-down about it. There is only the fact that capital accumulation and economic progress depend on saving and innovation and that these in turn depend on the freedom to make high profits and accumulate great wealth. The only alternative to improvement for all, through economic progress, achieved in this way, is the futile attempt of some men to gain at the expense of others by means of looting and plundering. This, the loot-and-plunder theory, is the alternative advocated by the critics of the misnamed trickle-down theory."

Loot and Plunder advocates like O'Bomber who looted and plundered the US treasury to reward his campaign contributors. Think Solyndra and other so called Green Energy boondoggles..now bankrupt, think GM..now sold at a $10B loss to taxpayers, think labor unions, think Planned Parenthood, think ACORN and other Socialist parasites lined up at the public money trough.

The flow of money/wealth through the US economy is not a difficult concept to master...except by those envious, covetous blockheads who sit on their lazy as$es, never develop any saleable skills then whine that America isn't taking care of them and the rich aren't "paying their fair share". Think usual suspects, O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers and other Socialist Progressive parasites.

posted January 17, 2014 11:49 AM            

Any rational person wouldn't double-down when they'd already been called out for their misinformation.

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There is no trickle down about enlightened tax policy nor have Republicans described enlightened tax policy in terms of "Trickle Down".

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That they haven't used the term "trickle down" in some cases does not mean that their theory doesn't amount to trickle down.

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Trickle Down is attributed to Will Rogers from the Great Depression which O'Bomber is trying hard to duplicate in the US.

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Trying to attribute trickle down economics to Obama or Democrats is just plain stupid. Obama wanted to tax those making $250k/yr or more to which YOU balked and whined. That was NOT a trickle down economic proposal. Obama wants to raise the minimum wage. Here, giving more money directly to the poor is not a trickle down economic move. You're just being plain silly attempting this kind of spin.

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Need I point out that Franklin Roosevelt..demoscat reigned over the economy...and utterly failed to revive the US economy through most of his first 2 terms of office?

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You can point him out, and you can give us your judgment of his performance. No one here is required to believe that you're showing good judgment, however.

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"Proponents of tax cuts often claim that savings and investment are essential to the economy, and thus fewer taxes (for any and all income brackets) need not harm any other income bracket. Economist George Reisman, a proponent of tax cuts, said the following:
Of course, many people will characterize the line of argument I have just given as the 'trickle-down' theory. There is nothing trickle-down about it. There is only the fact that capital accumulation and economic progress depend on saving and innovation and that these in turn depend on the freedom to make high profits and accumulate great wealth. The only alternative to improvement for all, through economic progress, achieved in this way, is the futile attempt of some men to gain at the expense of others by means of looting and plundering. This, the loot-and-plunder theory, is the alternative advocated by the critics of the misnamed trickle-down theory."

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I'm glad you visited Wikipedia in an effort to educate yourself on the subject. "There is only the fact that capital accumulation and economic progress depend on saving and innovation and that these in turn depend on the freedom to make high profits and accumulate great wealth." This is a false line. Economic progress is achieved by having a population that is capable of buying high quantities of goods. Saving, innovation, the freedom to make high profits, and accumulate great wealth have very little to do with it. I hope we're all educated enough here to know that prior to the Great Depression income inequality was at a historic high...similar to now. The accumulation of wealth does not equal economic progress.

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Loot and Plunder advocates like O'Bomber who looted and plundered the US treasury to reward his campaign contributors. Think Solyndra and other so called Green Energy boondoggles..now bankrupt, think GM..now sold at a $10B loss to taxpayers, think labor unions, think Planned Parenthood, think ACORN and other Socialist parasites lined up at the public money trough.

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Besides the point, and gratuitous.

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The flow of money/wealth through the US economy is not a difficult concept to master...except by those envious, covetous blockheads who sit on their lazy as$es, never develop any saleable skills then whine that America isn't taking care of them and the rich aren't "paying their fair share". Think usual suspects, O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers and other Socialist Progressive parasites.

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It's apparently a very difficult thing for you to master as we've often seen from your positions on things.

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Now, forget "Trickle Down".

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posted January 17, 2014 01:30 PM            

What's also obvious is what trickled down from the "luxury tax" -- more unemployment, more poverty, more red ink, and more inequality. - From another article Jwhop posted http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/001500.html
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The wealth created flows through the economy in both directions. So, if you usual suspects, O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers and Socialist Progressives insist on using "trickle down" and tying the term to republicans then, you should at least have the common sense...hard for you I know...to admit wealth also trickles up as people at all income levels spend their money and it circulates back upward through the economy.

O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in congress are part of trickle down too. They've legislated poverty which trickled down through the economy and more people are below the poverty line than at any time since the Carter administration. More people are on food stamps than at any time in US history. The labor participation rate is the lowest level since the great depression. There are fewer Americans working in the O'Bomber economy than there were when the Marxist Messiah began infesting the White House.

Now that's Marxist Socialist Progressive "Trickle Down" in action but to most people that kind of "Trickle Down" would be spelled M I S E R Y.

One last thing irrational one. Just because I used the words..trickle down in response to katatonic who accused me of saying.."wealth trickles down"..a million times" does not put me in the trickle down camp.

This was my response to Katatonic and it goes unrefuted.

"You've never heard or seen me say any such thing even once...let alone a million times."

posted January 17, 2014 02:34 PM            

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the obvious fact that new jobs are created and new income is generated when someone invests his energy and risks his capital in creating a new enterprise or expanding an existing business.

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Thanks for reposting your words that I quoted. See? No trickle down "lie." You endorsed trickle down!

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What's also obvious is what trickled down from the "luxury tax" -- more unemployment, more poverty, more red ink, and more inequality. - From another article Jwhop posted http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/001500.html

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Quoting yourself from a thread where you also got taken to task doesn't improve your case. The failure of a luxury tax demonstrates that the market will avoid such a voluntary tax. It doesn't improve the argument that trickle down works.

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The wealth created flows through the economy in both directions. So, if you usual suspects, O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers and Socialist Progressives insist on using "trickle down" and tying the term to republicans then, you should at least have the common sense...hard for you I know...to admit wealth also trickles up as people at all income levels spend their money and it circulates back upward through the economy.

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You make a lot of weird assumptions here. Most people here do have more common sense than you.
I've personally got no trouble with this assertion that money flows both ways, and I'll leave out the liberal commentary about how it's primarily heading one direction these days.

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O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in congress are part of trickle down too. They've legislated poverty which trickled down through the economy and more people are below the poverty line than at any time since the Carter administration.

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They're not a part of trickle down. They haven't legislated poverty. In fact, Republicans have blocked most measures that would improve the economy including most recently cutting off unemployment.

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More people are on food stamps than at any time in US history. The labor participation rate is the lowest level since the great depression. There are fewer Americans working in the O'Bomber economy than there were when the Marxist Messiah began infesting the White House.

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Don't be stupid and ridiculous. I mean this is really dumb.
The poverty experienced is the result of the Great Recession, which wasn't something you can attribute to Obama. Sorry Charlie, but trying to paint that picture is a fool's errand. It's as dumb as trying to remove the association between Conservatives and trickle down economics.

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One last thing irrational one. Just because I used the words..trickle down in response to katatonic who accused me of saying.."wealth trickles down"..a million times" does not put me in the trickle down camp.

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posted January 17, 2014 02:47 PM            

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Which you espoused as per the quotes from you above...good grief Charlie Brown, have you no conscience?

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What, are you the moral arbiter around here.God save us

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posted January 17, 2014 03:30 PM            

But when it comes to budget cuts the puny amount given over to foodstamps and unemployment aid is pointed at as a travesty that needs trimming while the other HUGE budget items must be not only protected but augmented...but only every time with this congress.

I see light at the tunnel's end when someone as used to being patronized as Boehner speaks up. Whether that is a ploy for reelection (recognizing the tide is growing against such practices) or he got a backbone by proxy from the Pope, or he is just fed up for honest reasons, we may never know.

But the fact is the Kochs et al will SPEND more than they stand to lose to keep business running the way THEY see fit.

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