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Randall
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posted May 14, 2014 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- It won't be a world-ending flood. It will be a slow centuries-long creep of watery hardship, resulting in redrawn maps of the world's coastlines and coastal economies looking very different from the ones we know.

That is the mechanism mankind -- ever its own worst enemy -- has helped set in motion.

According to the Environmental Protection Agency, citing scientific research, global sea levels have been rising throughout the 20th century and into the 21st, averaging a rise of 0.11 to 0.13 inches a year over the past 20 years. That is roughly twice the rate of the 100 years prior and translates into about a foot per century if that rate were to continue.

But two independent groups of scientists now are telling us that that rate will not continue. Instead, the rise of sea levels, caused in part by melting ice, will accelerate, resulting in a rise of 10 feet or more possibly within two centuries. And there's nothing we can do about it.

The teams of researchers released findings Monday indicating the West Antarctic ice sheet is melting, and that the melting is accelerating and unstoppable, setting off a chain reaction of surrounding ice melts.

According to a NASA press release, a joint study conducted between NASA and scientists at the University of California, Irvine, drew on 40 years of observations, including satellite images using radar interferometry. Interferometry uses satellite radar to precisely measure the ice sheet's vertical movement and determine with millimeter precision the line of contact with the ground beneath.

Coincidentally, a second group of scientists from the University of Washington conducted an independent analysis using different means and came to similar conclusions. The two groups decided to release their results on the same day.

At root is warmer water stirred by stronger Antarctic winds, both fed by a warming of the planet caused in part by manmade greenhouse gases. The glacier ice extends from the land into shallower water and beyond, with part of the glacier floating on water. As warmer water melts the underside, the ice sheet thins and the part that is in contact with the shallow sea floor retreats.

Researchers have now determined the extent of that unseen melting, precisely identifying the retreat of the ground line -- the border between grounded and floating glacier ice. The conclusion is that the melting is happening faster than anticipated and is likely to continue, even if the warming of the water were to suddenly stop.

Surrounding glaciers are protected in part by this sea level ice sheet and will give way on their own in response to the weakness of their neighbor. The six immediate-vicinity glaciers together will likely raise global sea levels by 4 feet, while the risk is for even further melting that could ultimately raise global sea levels by 10 feet.

But even that estimate could be understated as it does not take into account simultaneous melting that is occurring elsewhere -- in Greenland for instance.

None of this is a new idea. In 1978, researcher J.H. Mercer of the Institute of Polar Studies published his findings and theory that increased carbon dioxide emissions could cause enough of a rise in surface temperatures that it would threaten the delicate West Antarctic ice sheet. The summary of his findings, published in Nature in January of that year:

If the global consumption of fossil fuels continues to grow at its present rate, atmospheric CO2 content will double in about 50 years. Climatic models suggest that the resultant greenhouse warming effect will be greatly magnified in high latitudes. The computed temperature rise at lat 80 [degrees] S could start rapid deglaciation of West Antarctica, leading to a 5 m rise in sea level.

Reading that paper, it is clear that Mercer understood precisely the mechanism by which the West Antarctic ice sheet would destabilize. His work laid the groundwork for that done by the current generation of scientists, who now, 36 years later, have proven the validity of his projections.

A 10-foot rise in sea levels means South Florida will be swamped; Key West, Miami Beach and parts of Fort Myers will be mostly underwater, their buildings and infrastructure abandoned, growing mold and in ruins. In New York, JFK Airport would be flooded, Battery Park under water, riverside property on both sides of Manhattan will need to be demolished. Forget what you've seen in sci-fi movies: in our time, you can't live on the 10th floor of a building if the foundation is under water.

Even with just a foot of sea level rise, the Hamptons will no longer be anybody's vacation spot. That could happen within decades.

The U.S. military is taking the threat very seriously. According to a New York Times article Wednesday, the Pentagon now considers climate change in general a direct threat to global stability and national security. Rising sea levels in particular imperil military installations around the world, including the important naval base at Norfolk, Va.

Millions of people around the globe live in coastal communities which will be at far greater risk than Navy facilities or the wealthy in NYC apartments with river views. Developing the coastlines in emerging markets will soon be anathema as those governments wake up to the encroaching destruction of those bright beaches and reestablish their urban centers on higher ground.

One of the most common of the many sarcastic witticisms global warming deniers like to repeat ad nauseam in the comments section of articles on TheStreet is this: "Here, let me write you a check."

But there's apparently nothing to be done. Quoted in the New York Times, one of the scientists, Dr. Ian Joughlin of the University of Washington, echoed the remarks of other scientists involved, noting that the ice sheet melt is slow but unstoppable.

"There's no stabilization mechanism," he said.

Nothing in nature. No program, no investible plan to correct this massive sea level rise. World economies will be drained from moving entire coastal cities, struggling to preserve the quality of public health and mitigate the worst personal risks.

Keep the check. Your kids will need it.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12706650/1/manmade-global-warmings-destruction-now-a-certainty.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

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posted May 14, 2014 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And these idiots are "scientists"?

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posted May 19, 2014 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a follow-up, they posted projection pictures of what cities would look like.

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posted May 20, 2014 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are they really scientists...if they abandon scientific methodology and falsify temperature data?

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Randall
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posted May 21, 2014 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope! They are merely science fiction writers, and very bad ones at that! They must have taken Chicken Little literally when they were kids.

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posted May 21, 2014 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regardless...
I'm glad I have a sailboat.

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posted May 30, 2014 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Global Warming will make the planet a water world, so happy sailing!

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Venusian Moon
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posted June 01, 2014 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thats scary ;(

If the water rises slowly thats okay. But i dont want any damn tsunamis and i dont want to suffer the fate of the Atlanteans.


When i was a toddler i would have dreams of tsunamis in slow motion. In the dream they were taller than the twin towers.


Nyc is islands connected by bridges. So creepy.

If something like that happens here i am going to the bronx, then going to upstate ny where it goes above sea level.


They found evidence that nyc was hit by a 600 foot wave once. Didnt go over the point i mention....upstate ny.

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posted June 01, 2014 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ever been to the grand canyon? U can tell it was an ocean. Whale carcasses have bern found there and fish fossils. Something big happened.

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