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Catalina
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posted July 14, 2014 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/06/a-young-american-jew-describes-being-arrested-for-standing-in-opposition-to-the-jerusalem-day-parade.html

Apparently the authorities arent bothered at the broadcast of this. Someone make my day and mention anti-Semitism


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posted July 15, 2014 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose this Israeli hating moron..along with our usual suspects is unaware Palestinian terrorists have fired almost 1,000 unguided rockets at Israeli towns and cities in the last few weeks.

Each unguided rocket fired at civilians is a separate count of war crimes.

This little brain dead moron should be expelled from Israel and put on the..."Do Not Enter List".

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posted July 15, 2014 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So it's okay with you that speaking his opinion earned him that kind of treatment? Mind you, our own "finest" are known to act in exactly this way.

Why is it that when YOU criticize your own country/govt it makes you a PATRIOT and when others (with whom you disagree) do so they are haters and morons?

A jew speaking out in Israel, along with a lot of ISRAELI JEWS, might just be doing the same thing YOU do. But because you disagree with him he deserves to be beaten and smothered? Double standard much?

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posted July 15, 2014 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think this 83 yr old survivor of the camps is also just a brain dead Israel hating moron?

When peace activists of the Gaza Flotilla tried to break the Gaza blockade recently, nine Turkish activists were killed. The official Israeli government "explanation" for their deaths was that they were "terrorists." However it's obvious that Dr. Moskovitz is not a "terrorist," but a man whose entire life has been dedicated to peace. So why are peace activists being manhandled and killed by Israeli soldiers?

And why was a Jew trying to break the blockade of Gaza? In his own words: "It is a sacred duty for me, as a [Holocaust] survivor, to protest against the persecution, the oppression and the imprisonment of so many people in Gaza, including more than 800,000 children."

"I as a Holocaust survivor cannot live with the fact that the State of Israel is imprisoning an entire people behind fences," Dr. Moskovitz said, adding that "it's just immoral."

"What happened to me in the Holocaust wakes me up every night and I hope we don't do the same thing to our neighbors," he said, adding that he was comparing "what I went through during the Holocaust to what the besieged Palestinian children are going through."

http://thehypertexts.com/Essays%20Articles%20Reviews%20Prose/Nakba%20Holocaust%20Palestinians%20Reuven%20Moskovitz%20Holocaust%20Survivor%20Peace%20Activist.htm

The truth that hurts is that many Jews and Israelis don't agree with the situation in Gaza and don't blame the people there for striking out - with inferior weapons, by the way - against their imprisonment. The truth that hurts is that SPEAKING ONES OPINION apparently merits the treatment in the video.
The truth that hurts is that Israel apparently has no problem with treating dissenters like this...notice the camera and filmer were NOT "disciplined"..

Another truth that hurts is that people who condone and support Americans stocking up on artillery to fight an overbearing govt call people using just their voices HATERS and support the treatment their govt hands out.

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posted July 16, 2014 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Catalina better not to listen to or argue with Jwhop, he's simply a hateful, misguided person who has lost his way and will never stop replying. As you can see, this is his forum now.

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posted July 16, 2014 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 16, 2014 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its been his forum for years Leorpio. I gave up long ago having a rational discussion though I keep suggesting it. Still other points of view exist and need to be presented. Seems I was giving you the same advice not long ago...then habit got me posting again. As my OP shows here, I anticipated the response...even Jews in Israel are called Haters and anti-Semites when they speak out, as is anyone in this country who begs to differ. Same old same old.

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posted July 17, 2014 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me point out that this little leftist moron isn't in the United States when he pulled his..."I love the Terrorists" act. Israeli law governs in Israel, not US law.

I know he titillates the "Let's kill the Jews" crowd. The same leftist crowd whose parents and grandparents cheered Hitler's "Final Solution" for the Jews in Europe. And why not; Hitler was a Socialist...one of their own thug murderous dictators. They only turned on Hitler after he attacked their most favorite murderous thug Socialist dictator....Stalin.

These closet Nazis have no credibility, not a shred.

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posted July 17, 2014 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are you talking about?

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posted July 17, 2014 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, your notions of self defense are never extended to the Palestinians. How many Israelis have died from those big bad Hamas rockets? Do you not know genocide when it's played out in front of you? Your politics blinds your conscience.

Looks like Mohyeldin went one step too far.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/17/ayman-mohyeldin-pulled-gaza-nbc_n_5595989.html

UK Jewish MP Gerald Kaufman Israel behaving like the Nazis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

White gas being reported in Gaza.

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posted July 18, 2014 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jew/Israel-Hating Numbskull Of The Year (Poll)
Aussie Dave
December 13, 2011

With the end of the year fast approaching, it is time to reflect on the year (almost) gone by. And for Israellycool readers, that means polls!

We've seen many antisemitic and anti-Israel numbskulls on here the past year, but some have stood out in some way, whether it be their stupidity, hatred or both.

I've narrowed it down to the following:


Lucas Koerner

Anti-Israel activist who thought it would be a good idea to walk around Jerusalem wearing a Kaffiyeh (the symbol of palestinian terrorism) and a kippa (skullcap) with palestinian flag pin. Also thought it wise to refuse to show his ID to Israeli policemen when asked.
http://www.israellycool.com/2011/12/13/jewisrael-hating-numbskull-of-the-year-poll/

Yeah, blowing up busses with Israeli school children aboard and blowing up restaurants in Israeli cities and the deliberate, intentional kidnapping of Israeli citizens...within Israel and killing them doesn't require any defensive measures by Israel. Neither does firing more than 1,000 unguided rockets at cities and towns in Israel. In fact, if 1,000 rockets were fired at El Paso and/or San Diego from Mexico, leftists would claim that's no provocation. Merely freedom fighters reaction to the United States having stolen the Southwest from Mexico.

And so, we have brain dead leftists attempting to characterize Israelis/Jews as Nazis. It's this kind of stupidity and intellectual vaccuousness which convinces rational people that these intellectual pygmies couldn't move the needles on an EEG.

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posted July 18, 2014 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, the truth sometimes hurts. Problem is, the radical extremist left wouldn't recognize the truth if they stepped in it. More likely, leftists would step on the truth...like they've been doing for more than 60 years. For 60+ years radical leftist extremists have been running away from the truth that Hitler..Mussolini too were socialists, like them. And, there's more.

Almost universally, Arab nations and radical groups in the Middle East...like the Marxist Messiah's best friends...the Muslim Brotherhood supported Hitler's National Socialism. They still do...or would if Hitler and his merry band of murderous thugs hadn't joined other murderous thugs on the ash-heap of history.

Hitler is still waging war against the Jews. His proxy army is the Islamic extremist terrorists whose every thought is consumed with destroying the United States...the GREAT SATAN AND ISRAEL..THE LITTLE SATAN.

Western leftists...Socialists, are right there with Hitler and his proxy army; encouraging them, making excuses for their murders and attempting to shield them from the retribution they so richly deserve.

RADICAL ISLAM'S ALLIANCE WITH THE SOCIALIST LEFT

The Western socialist left detests the United States and its capitalist economic structure, and seeks to facilitate that structure's downfall by any means necessary -- including the formation of whatever alliances will further that ultimate objective. One seemingly unlikely alliance that the socialist left has forged is its alliance with radical, fundamentalist Islam, which emphatically and unambiguously rejects virtually everything for which the socialist left claims to stand: the peaceful resolution of international conflict; respect and tolerance for other cultures and faiths; civil liberties; freedom of expression; freedom of thought; human rights; democracy; women's rights; gay rights; and the separation of church and state.

There could be no stranger bedfellows than Western leftists and Islamic extremists. Yet they have been brought together by the one overriding trait they do share -- their hatred for America; their belief that the U.S. is the very embodiment of evil on earth and must consequently be destroyed.

As Osama bin Laden told a CNN interviewer in 1997, "We declared jihad against America because America is unjust, criminal and tyrannical." This pronouncement does not differ at all, either in substance or tone, from the declarations of the West's radical left, whose ill will toward America is similarly detectable in the following excerpt from an al Qaeda manifesto:

"America is the head of heresy in our modern world, and it leads an infidel democratic regime that is based upon separation of religion and state and on ruling the people by the people via legislating laws that contradict the way of Allah and permit what Allah has prohibited. This compels the other countries to act in accordance with the same laws in the same ways . . . and punishes any country [that rebels against these laws] by besieging it, and then by boycotting it. By so doing [America] seeks to impose on the world a religion that is not Allah's."
While Western leftists make no similar religious references, they do contend, like radical Islamists, that the United States is determined to overrun other nations and dominate the world.

Radical Islam seeks purification and "social justice" by means of jihad, or holy war, whose highest ideal is martyrdom achieved while attempting to conquer an evil worldly power such as the United States, the Great Satan (and Israel, the Little Satan). The radical Islamist's ultimate goal is to subdue the "infidel" nations and therein institute sharia, or Islamic law, so as to redeem the world for Allah.

The radical left, similarly, advocates revolution as the means of achieving its ends -- eliminating capitalism and creating a socialist paradise on earth.

While Islamic radicals seek to purge the world of heresies and of the infidels who practice them, leftist radicals seek to purge society's collective "soul" of the vices allegedly spawned by capitalism -- those being racism, sexism, imperialism, and greed.

Just as Islamic radicals aim to impose their religion on the rest of the world in a totalitarian fashion requiring unwavering obedience, so do radical leftists strive to create an omnipotent socialist state that will control every aspect of daily life and will impose a universal brand of "social justice" on all mankind.

Central to both radical Islam and the radical Western left is an inclination to overthrow the existing order by any means necessary, so as to create a paradise on earth. Leftists may find the bigotry and intolerance of Islamic radicals repugnant, but their desire to rid the world of U.S. "imperialism" and capitalism overrides this revulsion and beckons them to forge the unholy alliance.

In the early stages of the Iraq War, George Galloway -- a British Member of Parliament and an inveterate America-hater -- gave voice to the mindset underlying the socialist left's alliance with radical Islam. Galloway was asked: "You often call for uniting Muslim and progressive forces globally. How far is it possible under current situation?" He replied:

"Not only do I think it's possible but I think it is vitally necessary and I think it is happening already. It is possible because the progressive movement around the world and the Muslims have the same enemies. Their enemies are the Zionist occupation, American occupation, British occupation of poor countries mainly Muslim countries. They have the same interest in opposing savage capitalist globalization which is intent upon homogenizing the entire world turning us basically into factory chickens which can be forced fed the American diet of everything from food to Coca-Cola to movies and TV culture. And whose only role in life is to consume the things produced endlessly by the multinational corporations. And the progressive organizations & movements agree on that with the Muslims.... So on the very grave big issues of the day-issues of war, occupation, justice, opposition to globalization-the Muslims and the progressives are on the same side."

The leftist Australian journalist John Pilger, who denounced "American imperialism" even as he praised Fidel Castro's Communist dictatorship, has been another vocal exponent of the alliance between the socialist left and radical Islam. Pilger publicly endorsed the killing of American troops in Iraq during the war that began in 2003. "[T]hey're legitimate targets," he said of those troops. "They're illegally occupying a country." Pilger openly supported the Iraqi resistance on the grounds that "we can't afford to be choosy" in acquiring much-needed allies. His sentiment clearly expressed the governing principle of the Islam-leftist alliance: The enemy of my enemy is my friend [whomever he may be].
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=291

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posted July 18, 2014 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
K jwhop, international law has decreed that Florida be given back to the tribes who were evicted from their homelands by immigrants (your ancestors? ) as the Jews were evicted by the Romans in ancient times. You can keep your house but you must share it with 20 people who can't find work because whites are 2nd class citizens. No fishing or shipped in foods beyond rice, potatoes and broccoli.

I expect you to sit on your hands and docilely obey while the natives demand more and more of your neighborhood, patrolling it with swat teams and refusing you entry into supermarkets, banks and employment...

Otherwise you will be branded terrorist and subject to wholesale bombing by the full weight of the US military.

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posted July 18, 2014 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mother s/

I was shown this by a woman who grew up in Belfast. It was the mothers on both sides there who finally said Enough. Bombs dont make peace.

There is no end but The End if this is not solved. The day of charon's stroke was a black day for Israel. And very convenient for those who redirected policy in his absence.

Why do you think the Lion of Judah set the Withdrawal in motion?

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posted July 18, 2014 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
an open air prison http://lareviewofbooks.org/essay/zero#

THE PASSPORT TERMINAL at Erez Crossing is like the airport of your very worst dreams. There are no duty-free shops on the other side, no airplanes, no runways, and no possibility of flight, just a series of cages opening finally into the biggest cage of all, the Gaza Strip. The terminal is a cavernous building constructed entirely of metal and glass. High-ceilinged, with beams and ventilation ducts exposed. Everything is sterile. A row of blue tollbooth-like structures divides the hall in two. Nearly all of them are empty. If you linger too long, a sunglassed fellow carrying a Tavor submachine gun will stroll by to grunt you in the right direction. You will stand before a glass door and wait for a light to turn green. When it does, you will pull the door open and push your documents through the slot to the Israeli official inside the booth.

Only a very few categories of humans are permitted to pass in either direction through Erez: foreign journalists, select international aid workers, a small number of Palestinian officials and businessmen, and those lucky Palestinians approved to seek urgent medical care unavailable in Gaza. The woman behind the glass was polite, warm even. She inspected my press card, my passport and visa. She asked me how long I would be staying in Gaza. She asked my father’s name, and his father’s name. For a moment, my grandfather, dead for 15 years, hovered behind my shoulder. He was laughing. I was glad for his company. The woman behind the glass returned my documents. “Have a nice trip,” she said, and smiled.

I collected my things and waited for the photographer friend with whom I was traveling. We passed through a tall metal turnstile, and then another, into a concrete-walled room. Several low, steel doors without knob or latch or peephole were set into one wall. All were closed. I looked for an exit. There was none. The turnstile only turned one way. We waited. Surely someone knew that we were here? They did. One of the steel doors slid suddenly open. We walked through it. The door shut behind us with a clank. We were in Gaza now, in an open space with a concrete floor, a metal roof, and walls of wire mesh. The walls narrowed into a tunnel stretching off into the distance. I had heard about this part: the kilometer-long cage. There was nothing to do but walk.

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posted July 18, 2014 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are both wrong. To say otherwise is to perpetuate the situation and perpetrate WWIII.

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posted July 19, 2014 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, Israel just blew up 4 kids. What do you think of that hm? Did those kids DESERVE death? Did they DESERVE to die because Israel is always right?

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posted July 19, 2014 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're a little old hypocrite for not mentioning this beside your ranting screed!

"PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein: “Palestine in its entirety is a revolution… continuing today, and until the End of Days. The reliable Hadith… says:
"The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'”
[PA TV (Fatah), Jan. 9, 2012]

Yes, some civilians are being killed but let's put this in focus...shall we?

Netanyahu: ‘We Use Missiles to Defend Civilians, Hamas Uses Civilians to Defend Missiles’
by Evan McMurry
July 13th, 2014
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/netanyahu-we-use-missiles-to-defend-civilians-hamas-uses-civilians-to-defend-missiles/

Netanyahu is right. Hamas sets up their missile launchers in schools, hospitals, apartment houses and any place else where civilians will be killed if Israel fires back after a Hamas missile attack on Israel. AND, Hamas is moving missiles in ambulances packed with Palestinian children in hopes of an Israeli attack on the ambulance so they can get a PR boost. These are a thoroughly disgusting life form.

There's also some proof Hamas is using phony photos of dead Palestinians for PR purposes. Here's one now.

Bloggers Spot More Dead Child Fakery by Hamas; CNN Fooled
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/18/Bloggers-Catch-More-Dead-Child-Fakery-by-Hamas

Further, I saw a photo....the very same photo which showed what appeared to be a mother and her 2? children. Hamas claimed they were killed in a guided missile attack by Israel. However, that very same photo..same down to the last detail...was of a mother and children killed by Assad's forces in SYRIA.

Someone can answer this...if you can.

Why would Israel let Palestinians into Israel proper considering so many of them are suicide bombers OR cheer when a suicide bomber kills Israeli civilians..including children?

Palestinians chose Hamas and the PLO to represent them. Decisions like that...choosing a terrorist organization...have consequences.

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posted July 19, 2014 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are both wrong. To say otherwise is to perpetuate the situation and perpetrate WWIII.

Genocide is never justifiable.

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posted July 19, 2014 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"In the first place, there is no such thing as Arabs. To speak in the singular of an Arab discourse is an aberration. The Arab world is riven by a multiplicity of points of view. At the time, one could single out four major ideological currents, which extend from western liberalism, through Marxism and nationalism, to islamic fundamentalism. In regard to these four, two, namely western liberalism and Marxism, clearly rejected Nazism, in part on shared grounds (such as the heritage ofenlightenment thinkers, and the denunciation of Nazism as a form of racism), and partially because of their geopolitical affiliations. On this issue, Arab nationalism is contradictory. If one looks into it closely, however, the number of nationalistic groups which identified themselves with Nazi propaganda turns out to be quite scaled-down. There is only one clone of Nazism in the Arab world, namely the Syrian social national party, which was founded by a Lebanese Christian, Antoun Saadeh. The Young Egypt Party flirted for a time with Nazism, but it was a fickle, weathercock party. As to accusations that the Ba'ath party was, from the very outset in the 1940s, inspired by Nazism, they are completely false.'[18]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"...Arabs and others were fed up with their colonial Bosses. Hitler was a threat to colonial rule by France and england.

Also, during WwI and the defeat of the Ottoman empire, Germany long before Hitler gave refuge to those dispossessed by the Allies.

Its a long and twisted tale and omnilateral murder is no solution.


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posted July 19, 2014 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/ottoman-empire/collapse

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posted July 19, 2014 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Feiglin is on the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326#.U8qwLJtOVjo

Attack the entire ‘target bank’ throughout Gaza with the IDF’s maximum force (and not a tiny fraction of it) with all the conventional means at its disposal. All the military and infrastructural targets will be attacked with no consideration for ‘human shields’ or ‘environmental damage’. It is enough that we are hitting exact targets and that we gave them advance warning.
Any place from which Israel or Israel’s forces were attacked will be immediately attacked with full force and no consideration for ‘human shields’ or ‘environmental damage’.
Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza.

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posted July 20, 2014 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Netanyahu - "As in every battled, there are difficult and complex events, this operation is no different. The operation is proceeding by the plan. This could be a very long campaign."
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/massacre-shujaiya-dozens-killed-israel-shells-eastern-gaza-city-photos

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/cnn-diana-magnay-israel-gaza_n_5598866.html

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Magnay appeared on CNN Thursday from a hill overlooking the Israel-Gaza border. While she reported, Israelis could be heard near her cheering as missiles were fired at Gaza.

After the liveshot, Magnay tweeted: “Israelis on hill above Sderot cheer as bombs land on #gaza; threaten to ‘destroy our car if I say a word wrong’. Scum.” The tweet was quickly removed, but not before it had been retweeted more than 200 times.

The removal of Magnay comes a day after NBC News pulled Ayman Mohyeldin from Gaza.

NBC's decision to remove the widely praised Mohyeldin, and unwillingness to explain why, has been met with anger and frustration from journalists inside and outside the network.


Guess even a little truth hurts. And yeah, if you threaten to destroy someone's car for "getting one word wrong" (which probably meant anything other than showing the cheering of strikes as anything other than good) then that's grounds for being called scum.

Lots of scum on both sides, though. Reminds me of today's Non Sequitur comic:

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"They are both wrong. To say otherwise is to perpetuate the situation and perpetrate WWIII.
Genocide is never justifiable."

Excuse me but you're not going to get away with decreeing a moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel.

Neither are you going to get away with calling Israeli defense against terrorist missile attacks...genocide.

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