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shura
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posted November 05, 2014 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few European acquaintances asked me about this. What's going on down there?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/90-year-old-florida-man-faces-60-days-in-jail-for-feeding-the-homeless/

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posted November 06, 2014 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't know what to tell you about FT Lauderdale in Broward County...except it's reliably left and was ground zero in the 2000 election recount flap. Hanging chads, dimpled chads, etc.

Difficult to believe anyone would stoop to this level of stupidity.

If something needs to be done and you don't want to do it...as in feeding hungry people...then get the hell out of the way and let someone else do it.

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posted November 07, 2014 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is apparently not the first time he has been in trouble with the law in FL. Perhaps they think homeless people, like pigeons, will go elsewhere and stop lowering the tone of the area if no one feeds them.

Nor is this the only city that has made it illegal to feed the rabble.

Meanwhile in Utah they have almost eliminated the homeless problem (down by almost 80%) by giving them homes and a finite period's worth of assistance in learning how to deal with finances, get off drugs and drink, finding work, etc.

I don't think the political colour is what makes the difference, as Salt Lake City is pretty thoroughly Democratic (as is Ft Lauderdale).

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posted November 09, 2014 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is probably meant to make the OTHER rabble (the hordes who descend regularly on Ft L to drink and drug themselves silly) feel safer to trash the beaches and streets...

But it is making the resort look foolish and vindictive and dangerous to millions around the world. This 90 year old went straight back out and got another citation for his sins...ministering to the poor.

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posted November 20, 2014 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for bringing this story to our attention shura.

Mayor Targets 90-Year-Old Veteran For Feeding Homeless Without Government Aid

First, Arnold Abbott faced the German Nazis. Now, he’s facing a small-town mayor backed by U.S. police who don’t want private citizens feeding the homeless.
Nicole Russell
November 20, 2014


As if it weren’t sacrificial enough to have served our country in World War II, 90 year-old Arnold Abbott, or Chef Arnold, as he’s called, and his organization Love Thy Neighbor have been feeding the homeless near Fort Lauderdale, Florida for more than 20 years. Even getting arrested didn’t stop him from dishing hot food to the hungry.

Wait, what?

That’s right. Two weeks ago, the mayor of Fort Lauderdale, the obviously intelligent and hospitable Jack Seiler, had Abbott arrested for violating a new ordinance that made feeding homeless people in parks illegal. He told the local news channel, “Mr. Abbott has decided that he doesn’t think these individuals should have to have any interaction with government, that they should be fed in the parks. We disagree.” I know, you wish he were your town’s mayor. (Try to refrain from being jealous.)

The story has continued to escalate. Just last week Abbot was cited a second time for—guess what?—continuing to feed homeless folks right where they are, in the city’s parks.

Mayor Moderates His Tone, Not His Demands

Visualize this scene and try to remember it’s not from a dystopic film starring Viggo Mortenson. The Sun-Sentinel reported last week: “A squad of about 10 uniformed police stood by as Capt. John Labandera, at first speaking over a battery-powered megaphone, asked Abbott to ‘cease and desist’ from serving meals to about 75 homeless people who had to maneuver through a throng of reporters and television cameras to get plates of tilapia, spaghetti and meatballs, tofu and fruit salad.”

Obviously, telling a man who faced German Nazis in the 1940s that he’s breaking the law because he’s dishing up fruit to homeless people warrants the use of police on horseback and a megaphone.

Because obviously telling a man who faced German Nazis in the 1940s that he’s breaking the law because he’s dishing up fruit to homeless people warrants the use of police on horseback and a megaphone. It’s perfectly fine if that entire sentence seems completely illogical, because it doesn’t make sense to me either. Abbott will apparently be mailed a summons to appear in court on the charge, which carries a maximum penalty of 60 days in jail and a $500 fine. He was also fined when he was arrested two weeks ago.

Maybe all that Vitamin D in Florida is getting to Seiler’s head and he’s not thinking straight?

Already Seiler is subtlety changing his tune, thanks to media reports portraying him as a cold-hearted weirdo who thinks the government should do stuff for people instead of charities. Now Seiler says the city isn’t trying to halt Abbott’s program—which, again, has been feeding the homeless for more than 20 years—he just wants them to have the right permits and move indoors, for safety reasons. Seiler commented last week, “There is an absolute right to feed a hungry person […] at any one of 100 locations in the city.”

Despite changing his tune—no doubt due to aides who are a teeny bit too late in their public relations rescue efforts—a few people have Seiler figured out. Some local groups have rushed to defend Abbott, staging protests in front of Seiler’s home. Sabrina Diz leads one such group, Homeless Voice. Last Wednesday they chanted as they walked by his house, “Hey Jack, what do you say? How many homeless did you starve today?”

What Seiler was trying to say two weeks ago is that charity can’t save people; only the government can. Yet as Diz’s ditty aptly points out, the government doesn’t always do things well, nor does it always have the best of intentions.

Despite Huge Welfare Outlays, the Homeless Abound

According to the National Alliance to End Homelessness, over 600,000 Americans are without a bed to sleep in or a kitchen to eat dinner in on any given night, and nearly 58,000 of those are veterans. While that number isn’t huge (and yes, it should be decreasing) by contrast welfare spending is the single largest item in the federal budget and, in the five years leading up to 2013, U.S. taxpayers spent $3.7 trillion on welfare.

Federal funding for welfare has increased 41 percent since President Obama took office, yet 46 million Americans still live in poverty.

As Thomas Sowell said in a 2012 column: “All of us should be on guard against beliefs that flatter ourselves. At the very least, we should check such beliefs against facts. Yet the notion that people who prefer economic decisions to be made by individuals in the market are not as compassionate as people who prefer those decisions to be made collectively by politicians is seldom even thought of as a belief that should be checked against facts.”

Remember FEMA’s response to hurricanes Katrina and Sandy? Private aid was in both places faster than you could say Federal Emergency Mana—well you get the picture. In a policy piece for the Cato Institute, Michael Tanner found that federal funding for welfare has increased 41 percent since President Obama took office, yet 46 million Americans still live in poverty. Tanner lamented, “The poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.” Obviously handing out stuff—regardless of location—doesn’t work in the long-term.

Seiler is offering—no, demanding—on a smaller scale what this country has been doing poorly for decades: Forcing people to take what they do not need for a price they cannot afford. But, you say, these people need food! And they’re homeless! Yes, but Abbott is giving people something he can afford to give, in a location ideal for those who need it, using the most effective means available.

Despite our tragically destructive yet relatively new welfare programs, the idea is ancient. Roman satirist Juvenal said, “Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.”

Just because it happened in Rome in 140 B.C. doesn’t mean it should happen in Fort Lauderdale, Florida in 2014.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/20/mayor-targets-90-year-old-veteran-for-feeding-homeless-without-government-aid/

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posted November 20, 2014 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meanwhile Utah has drastically reduced homelessness by intervening, creating housing and programs to help people get out of their downward spiral...without spending as much, as, say, San Francisco who has not had such great success.

It would seem it isn't GOVT that makes for SNAFU, but poor thinking. If one govt can do it, others can, but they aren't going about it in the right way...as Salt Lake and San Francisco illustrate perfectly.

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posted November 21, 2014 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Corrected by jwhop. Apparently St Petersburg has learned a few things since they dealt with homelessness by destroying the tent homes people made for themselves.

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posted November 21, 2014 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Now St Petersburg is destroying tents and homeless camps"

NOW???

Care to link a credible "news story" alleging St Petersburg is destroying tents NOW?

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posted November 21, 2014 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
St Petersburg Police cutting up homeless tents …: http://youtu.be/it3c8UymRIw

Google its such a great resource doncha think? If you use it you will find plenty of repeats of the story in Print and video

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shura
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posted November 21, 2014 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jwhop. As you might imagine my progressive minded Euro friends were horrified by yet another example of our crass, backward American culture (tbf that's an accusation often difficult to argue) Because, yk, enlightened Europe doesn't engage in this sort of uncouth behavior.
http://www.thelocal.se/20140709/make-beggars-choose-sweden-danish-government

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posted November 21, 2014 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ummm, that video is from 2007. 2007 is hardly NOW! Let me furnish you a calendar.

Right shura, Europeans would never mistreat the homeless. Just ship them off to a different country!

None of which excuses what happened in Florida cities...and other US cities across the years.

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posted November 21, 2014 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/24948823/2014/03/11/expert-st-pete-has-a-growing-homeless-problem


Ok, got me again. I will remove the "now" from my post. I should know better by now than to assume something is current without checking. It seems the Public outcry was so loud that policy was changed and shelters Provided. But St Pete has still got a burgeoning homeless population apparently. And there is a growing number of locations where feeding the homeless is illegal, not just in Florida.

Whether other countries are equally stupid does not alter the problem here at home.

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shura
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posted November 21, 2014 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tbf If given the choice between Denmark and Sweden, I'd go with Sweden. So maybe this will work out for all involved.

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posted November 24, 2014 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"tbf If given the choice between Denmark and Sweden, I'd go with Sweden"

You'd have to have blonde hair and blue eyes to go there!

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posted November 24, 2014 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting idea...why blonde w/ blue eyes?

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posted November 24, 2014 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How to Look Swedish as a Female
By Gemma Haigh
September 07, 2014


How to Look Swedish as a Female thumbnail
Swedish women are often blonde-haired and blue-eyed.

Swedish women are synonymous with striking blonde hair, piercing blue eyes and blinding white teeth – not to mention their tall, slender legs and fresh-faced appearance. So it’s no surprise that many females aspire to have those attributes, which are considered attractive
http://www.ehow.com/how_11372528_look-swedish-female.html

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posted November 24, 2014 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, that is the popular concept, but there are just as many dark haired dark eyed swedes as blondes, or a close contest. Blonde hair is easily acquired, not so much blue eyes tho it can be done!

But despite the stereotypes, dark and RED hair are common in those countries.

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