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jwhop
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posted November 28, 2014 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, you wanna rip Bush and Reagan...instead of answering a simple question?

Well, that's the leftist way. Answer a question with a question...to evade the fact you don't KNOW the answer and haven't a clue.

Perhaps the question was too difficult for you...or the language confused you.

Let me simplify the question for all you conspiracy theorists who believe the government of the United States is not under the control of elected officials.

What are the names of the hidden hand conspirators who are in control of the United States government, who pull the strings of their puppets....elected members of Congress, Federal judges and the President of the United States.

No, don't thank me. I'm glad to simply things for you. Now, perhaps you can answer the question??

You don't have a clue about Bush and Reagan either, but that's an argument for another thread.

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posted November 28, 2014 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/27/7072683/millennials-civic-engagement

Who lines the pockets of the politicians jwhop?

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jwhop
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posted November 28, 2014 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got any names? Or, are you just throwing more crap against the wall to see if any sticks?

Talk about off the wall!

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Catalina
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posted November 28, 2014 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is crony capitalism jwhop?

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jwhop
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posted November 28, 2014 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still have no names of the alleged conspirators I see.

All hot air and no facts.

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Catalina
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posted November 29, 2014 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Suit yourself. The Leftist Conspiracy you tout day in day out is the only one you are interested in .. so everything else is "hot air". Which makes you a dupe for the Rightist and other sides. Others have their eyes and minds open so no biggie if you don't

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posted November 29, 2014 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just running your mouth as usual. You have no facts to back up any allegation the United States government is under the control of hidden conspirators. None!

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Catalina
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posted December 01, 2014 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nor you ONE single fact that Obama is a Marxist trying to DESTROY the country. Just another conspiracy theory that has gained followers through constant repetition.

But I didn't mention conspiracies, just BOUGHT politicians...and people who use their money to buy laws.

As for who should set the agenda, considering the House has wasted umpteen hours and votes on REPEALING OBAMACARE, this little survey from your favourite pollers suggests the miniscule vote which reelected Republicans was NOT because the people in general love them so much, but because the majority now thinks voting is a waste of time

From Rasmussen
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/01/obamacare-repeal-poll_n_6249136.html

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posted December 03, 2014 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To answer the original question...

Me! I should! There that was easy...

As to who is buying and which "side" is being bought? Both sides. In fact, who convinced you that there are "sides"? There's just men (forgive my anti-pc but correct usage of the english language to refer to a mixed gendered group of people as "men")... that have a job that requires them to raise money full time to continue to be employed and a group of interests that provide money in exchange for advancing their agenda. Right, left, conservative, progressive, liberal... these are marketing terms with about as much meaning as "low fat", "all natural", or "new and improved".

There are real ideas with real merits that "We, the People" should be descussing. Sadly, the 30 second commercial became the 8 second sound byte, then the viral Facebook click bait, the tweet, and the meme. These ideas don't fit those formats. And none of us are talking with each other. We're just reposting, retweeting, and regurgitating what the "Interests" want us to. There will never be a concesus because we've all stopped listening. Because we've stopped discussing. We just act as media outlets for somebody else.

I recently renewed my Netflix and started rewatching "The West Wing". I don't agree with many of the positions expressed on the show, but my God! Don't they sound like geniuses compared to real life politicians of today...

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posted December 03, 2014 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Gemini Blues, let's see if I understand your position.

You don't see a conspiracy by hidden hand conspirators to run the US...or world.

What you see is a group of self serving politicians being bribed by greedy rich people to advance their personal and business agendas?

Hmmm, if so, that's a lot closer to the truth than a conspiracy of hidden puppeteers pulling elected officials strings...after first getting them elected/appointed/anointed.

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posted December 03, 2014 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Well Gemini Blues, let's see if I understand your position.

You don't see a conspiracy by hidden hand conspirators to run the US...or world.

What you see is a group of self serving politicians being bribed by greedy rich people to advance their personal and business agendas?

Hmmm, if so, that's a lot closer to the truth than a conspiracy of hidden puppeteers pulling elected officials strings...after first getting them elected/appointed/anointed.


Pretty close. Not just rich people. Unions, corporations, trade groups, anyone who can put together a package of money, people, and or influence can play. And conspiracies, just not particularly well hidden ones.

For instance, Ed Rendell (D) then govener of PA complained of MSNBC in the 2008 primary season that it was the "Obama channel". He of course was supporting Mrs. Clinton. Since then, ask yourself how much General Electric (which owned NBC) and Jeffrey Immelt, their CEO, hav benefited from Obama policies.

Ask yourself this question as well. Exactly how many CEOs does it take to control all US television networks, the majority of cable channels, 60%+ of the radio stations, and all the major newspapers? Throw in half of the Hollywood movie studios and record lables for good measure. Oh, and the two largest cable and internet providers. Here's a hint... It's less than 10. That's an awful lot of influence in a very small group.

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Catalina
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posted December 03, 2014 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What exactly is the difference between those jwhop?

But you needn't be self serving to get entangled, and those money bags do get together to forward agenda that will make govt irrelevant...as the purchase of Harper's govt by oil interests has just overridden the right of people to national parks. . Which were created to keep developers out...

And then there is the blackmail side of the equation...for those who can't be bought. .. and the media 's ability to destroy People and Programs by repetitive rumour monging and distortion and lies.

So its a little bit more than shallow politicians and individual moneybags tempting them with affluent bonuses.

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posted December 04, 2014 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
President Obama’s unilateral action on immigration has no precedent
By Editorial Board
Washington Post
December 3 at 7:32 PM

THE WHITE House has defended President Obama’s unilateral decision to legalize the presence of nearly 4 million undocumented immigrants as consistent, even in scope, with the executive actions of previous presidents. In fact, it is increasingly clear that the sweeping magnitude of Mr. Obama’s order is unprecedented.

Central to the administration’s argument is its contention that the 4 million covered by the president’s order — some 36 percent of the estimated undocumented population of 11 million — is in line with the percentage covered by a comparable action by President George H.W. Bush in 1990. At that time, there were about 3.5 million illegal immigrants in the country; Mr. Obama, administration officials and their allies have said that about 1.5 million of them — the spouses and children of previously amnestied immigrants — benefited from Mr. Bush’s move.

In addition to the White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, and Mr. Obama himself, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel cited the Bush executive action as precedent, using the figure of 1.5 million immigrants.

However, as The Post’s Glenn Kessler has scrupulously reported , there is every reason to believe that the estimate is wildly exaggerated and based mainly on what appears to have been a misunderstanding at the time.

When the measure was announced, Bush administration officials estimated the number who would be affected at around 100,000. While that was followed by some fuzziness and upward revisions, the actual number affected by the 1990 order was clearly a fraction — perhaps a couple of hundred thousand people, at most — of the 1.5 million that Obama administration officials have cited.

Even the apparent original source of the 1.5 million figure — Gene McNary, who led the Immigration and Naturalization Service at the time — told Mr. Kessler he believes the number is false and was based on a misunderstanding from testimony he gave to Congress. And no underlying data or methodology to justify the 1.5 million figure has been uncovered.

This is not a game of gotcha; facts matter — even in Washington — and so do the numbers. Under close scrutiny it is plain that the White House’s numbers are indefensible. It is similarly plain that the scale of Mr. Obama’s move goes far beyond anything his predecessors attempted.

A responsible Congress would have legislated a fix to the nation’s broken immigration system. It is outrageous that Republican leaders in the House refused to allow a vote on a bill that passed the Senate last year. That bill, backed by Democrats and some moderate Republicans, stood a good chance of passing the House and becoming law. Even now, Republicans’ refusal to enact a bill — and their use of Mr. Obama’s order as further pretext for obstinacy and paralysis — is an abdication of leadership and duty.

Republicans’ failure to address immigration also does not justify Mr. Obama’s massive unilateral act. Unlike Mr. Bush in 1990, whose much more modest order was in step with legislation recently and subsequently enacted by Congress, Mr. Obama’s move flies in the face of congressional intent — no matter how indefensible that intent looks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/president-obamas-unilateral-action-on-immigration-has-no-precedent/2014/12/03/3fd78650-79a3-11e4-9a27-6fdbc612bff8_story.html

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posted January 04, 2015 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Republican votes more valuable than Democratic votes


This one was shocking. It does not matter how one cuts it. The United States constitution is severely flawed when more often than not in the last few elections the majority of people voting  for a particular party did not receive their relative representation. Democrats received 20 million more votes in the Senate than Republicans in 2014, yet Republicans won big.

The same occurred in the House of Representatives in 2012.

House Democrats out-earned their Republican counterparts by 1.17 million votes. Read another way, Democrats won 50.59 percent of the two-party vote. Still, they won just 46.21 percent of seats, leaving the Republicans with 234 seats and Democrats with 201.

There is nothing illegal here. There is simply a very designed undemocratic flaw in the US Constitution that must be fixed lest the legislative branch of the American government will continue to be disassociated from the real wants of society.

Fairvote.org reported the following relative to the 2014 Senate race.

As a body designed to represent states rather than citizens, the Senate’s partisan makeup tends to bear a fairly loose relationship to the raw numbers of votes that were cast to elect its members. With the final election results in hand, let’s take a look at how votes cast for Senate candidates translate to seats in the world’s greatest deliberative body

In all, Americans cast 202.5 million votes to elect the current Senate, spread across three election cycles in 2010, 2012, and 2014. Of these, 49% were cast for Democratic candidates and 46.6% for Republicans. …

In the aggregate, Democratic voters are underrepresented in the Senate and Republican voters are overrepresented compared to their respective strengths in the electorate, although Democrats outperformed their raw vote totals in two of the past four individual elections.

As for the 46 Democratic caucus members in the 114th Congress received a total of 67.8 million votes in winning their seats, while the 54 Republican caucus members received 47.1 million votes.

While America runs around the world excoriating countries that do not have one person/one vote, we live in a society that is consistently undemocratic by design. Americans must stand up and claim their birthright

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posted January 04, 2015 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which poll is more significant, jwhop, gallup or the elections?

The above aRticle explains why the newly republican congress is NOT the choice of the People (many of whom did not vote) OR even of the voting people.

If a majority of a few hundred "randoms" believe the republicans received more votes that wOuld explain their answer. But their assumption would be wrong wouldn't it?

The system (even wIthout gerrymandering) is not designed to establish the will of the People, is it? So you can stop pretending it was, or is.

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posted January 12, 2015 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/09/gallup-record-number-americans-identify-liberals.html

and oh that turning worm...as i suggested, the refusal of voters to endorse anyone has as much to do with cowardly wishwash dems believing the Fox propaganda that Obama and liberals are the problem. In fact, the lack of liberal spine in the Democratic party caused more nonvoting than republican do-nothings caused voting. As the miniscule vote count shows.

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posted January 12, 2015 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gemini Blues:

Ask yourself this question as well. Exactly how many CEOs does it take to control all US television networks, the majority of cable channels, 60%+ of the radio stations, and all the major newspapers? Throw in half of the Hollywood movie studios and record lables for good measure. Oh, and the two largest cable and internet providers. Here's a hint... It's less than 10. That's an awful lot of influence in a very small group.


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posted January 14, 2015 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This poll shows the answers of 828 people who bothered to answer their phone when a stranger called. Congratulations.

Love this response. Who does give poll answers when pollsters call?

quote:
yes, yes, we'll have a Repub pres up next to bat. And he'll disappoint as did the last Repub. So in 4 or, if he's lucky, 8 years we'll be begging for a Demo to save us. He'll disappoint us, as did the last Demo. So in 4 or, if he's lucky, 8 years we'll beg for a Repub to fix all our problems. He'll disappoint us, as did the last Repub. So we'll insist on a Demo to clean up the mess. He'll disappoint us, as did the last Demo. So in 4 or, if he's lucky, 8 years ...

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posted January 24, 2015 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/24/boehner-commit-treason/


Perhaps you think Netwnyahu should set the agenda for the US now, like Lindsey Graham (who promised to support Bibi over his own President) and Boehner who has also just openly decided to undermine negotiations with Iran though he has no legislative authority to do so.

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posted January 24, 2015 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fact:

There's a backlash all over America against the Marxist Messiah and his Socialist comrades in Congress.

Half of O'Bomber's Socialist comrades in Congress have either quit congress because they were headed for defeat or have been defeated in the elections of 2010 and 2014.

Republican now have a chance to get it right. If they don't, they'll be swept out of office too. That doesn't mean leftist fringe Socialists will replace them. Americans are fed up. Get it right or you're gone in the next election.

O'Bomber has set back Socialist Progressive demoscats by at least a generation. Little chance Americans will give them another chance. They've F-ed up America...just like I said they would. Goodbye and good riddance.

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posted January 24, 2015 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/on-irans-nuclear-programs-give-diplomacy-a-chance/2015/01/21/0cdb4dcc-a185-11e4-b146-577832eafcb4_story.html

http://reverbpress.com/politics/boehner-criticized-dems-jewish-leaders-invitation- netanyahu/

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posted January 25, 2015 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.haaretz.com/video/1.638788
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/21/boehner-invites-israeli-leader-to-address-congress-on-iran/

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posted January 25, 2015 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You must be one of the 10 people in this country who haven't noticed that Progressives are rallying and most of them think Obama is not socialist enough. That the Democrats who lost were those who tried too hard to look like Republicans... and that several million more Dem votes were cast in the last election but somehow Republicans won anyway. What is your bubble made of, cast iron?

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posted January 25, 2015 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahahaha...says O'Bomber:

I'm not on the ballot this time around but my policies ARE ON THE BALLOT.

And then, America voted against O'Bomber's policies by kicking record numbers of his congressional Socialist comrades out of office.

Please, wise up. Your nonsense isn't fit for rational discussion.

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posted January 29, 2015 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So instead of rustling up legislation to deal with immigration, Boehner brings in more stalling tactics. While Obama`s EO grants protection for the people who would be properly dealt with by an actual bill until said bill materializes...Boehner extends that protection. Even if this suit comes to pass and negates that order, they will still be here until the Bill in question is created and passed...looks like the Repubs got nothing and can't be bothered to come up with anything either. Good luck with that. Kabuki theatre and badly done at that

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/28/boehner-wants-to-sue-obama-again-because-it-worked-so-well-the-last-time/

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