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jwhop
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posted April 30, 2015 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Years ago...here...I said the real goal of lunatic tree hugger greens was to transport America back to a "Little House on the Prairie" existence.

All the usual suspects, accidental Americans and Man Made Global Warming Kool-Aid drinkers were outraged. But, clean energy to power America is not the goal of the green loons. The destruction of the US economy and western civilization IS the goal of the loons.

These far left green loons are now so drunk on power they no longer even bother to deny it. In fact, they admit it.

But, the society these moronic greens envision would mean the liquidation of billions of humans. A "hunter gatherer" society could not possibly support the large population on earth.

As with all leftist schemes to seize power and overthrow existing societies, the "useful idiots" are the first ones to be liquidated.

April 30, 2015
Green Energy Policy? Nothing that Works
Viv Forbes

Modern industrial society commenced with the use of coal and oil to power factories, trains, ships and agriculture and to generate electricity. With abundant energy, prosperity increased, and people could save enough to support leisure, education, culture and environmental concerns.

But the dark greens have a dream to dismantle all this, and return society to the hunter/gatherer era.

In an unguarded moment Maurice Strong, a leader of the international green movement, said:

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”

Greens have thus gleefully spread the global warming scare to justify a massive political war on hydro-carbon fuels. Timothy Wirth, ex-President of the UN Foundation, spilled the beans: 

“We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”

To mask their real aim of de-energizing modern industry, they continually promote “alternative energy.” 
The only alternatives to coal, oil and gas for stable, reliable and economical grid power are nuclear energy, and in favorable locations, hydro or geothermal.

Nuclear power could be one of our cheapest and safest energy sources. However greens have opposed and denigrated it for decades, and erected such bureaucratic and financial hurdles that it is seldom considered in most pampered western societies.

They are in favor of hydro, providing it does not disturb one fish or frog on their favorite river.[/b]

But they continually tout the benefits of wind and solar power.

Wind/solar can be useful in some mobile or remote locations, and for some people with deep pockets who wish to become independent of the grid. But being totally unable to supply 24/7 grid power, they need reliable backup (or massive batteries) for about 75% of their rated capacity. Once we subtract the energy and resources needed to build and maintain the towers/panels, plus the roads and transmission lines, plus backup/batteries and then run it all intermittently, the whole-of-life net-contribution of wind/solar to energy supply or emission reduction is negligible or negative.

Another dark green leader, Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountains Institute, said:

“It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”

Green energy policy promotes this dictum by supporting “Nothing that Works”.
The world focus on carbon dioxide is simply a useful tool in a much larger political agenda.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/04/green_energy_policy_nothing_that_works.html

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Eirlys
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posted April 30, 2015 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”

“We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”


“It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”



Same as these (very serious) lunatics:

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"A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles

is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different

languages, one language on each face of the four large upright

stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north,

these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew,

Arabic, Chinese, and Russian."



* Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

* Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.


Nevermind the other 6,500,000,000...

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* Unite humanity with a living new language.


Because what happened at Babel was just a fluke!

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* Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.


The beauty of passion, faith and tradition is that

they defy the bounds of reason.

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* Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

* Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

* Avoid petty laws and useless officials.


Indeed.

Who needs laws when you're united under one, supreme world ruler?

You'd have to be a real beast to hold that position.

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* Balance personal rights with social duties.


Welcome to the new, improved communal living model.

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* Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.

* Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.


As long as you worship 'nature, nature' like these guys,

you'll be fine.

If not, no matter-- you'll probably be dead, anyway.


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Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles.

-C Chaplin

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jwhop
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posted May 01, 2015 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fabian Socialists

George Bernard Shaw:

You must all know half a dozen people at least who are no use in this world, who are more trouble than they are worth. Just put them there and say Sir, or Madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you can’t justify your existence, if you’re not pulling your weight, and since you won’t, if you’re not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can’t be of very much use to yourself.

Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger….

“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg….

“Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

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Eirlys
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posted May 01, 2015 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most people don't know about planned parenthood's history

and its support of eugenics.

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Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles.

-C Chaplin

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Catalina
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posted May 01, 2015 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

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we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way — no matter how early it was performed it was taking a life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way — it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun.


http://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

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Catalina
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posted May 01, 2015 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She was against abortion and you have misquoted her -out of context as well. But thats par for the course. Her main aim was that women should not be forced to be broodmares at the cost of loss of life and quality of life for them and the children they did want.

Wealthier women had plenty of access to birth control but poor people were worn out trying to provide for whatever kids came along, contributing to poorly nurtured children and shortlived mothers.

She was in agreement with eugenics on one point only...that some people are not fit to raise children therefore should be able to prevent pregnancy.

But perhaps you think someone with a mental age of 5 should have as many children as she wants? That poor people should have no choice in how many kids to have?

And that doctors should be shot by vigilantes for helping a woman who is carrying a braindead child or in danger of dying herself from pregnancy complications.

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jwhop
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posted May 01, 2015 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She was quoted in perfect context.

How true, but they say...ignorance is bliss! And, that's soooo true.

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Catalina
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posted May 02, 2015 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, jwhop you mis quoted one sentence from a paragraph thought. That is the definition of "out of context" and "misquote" means in this case you left out some of even that sentence. She saw how the poor practiced "family limitation"..infanticide being one method desperate people resort to. It still goes on today, especially in places where lawmakers deem they have the right to force motherhood on those unfit for whatever reason.

Eugenics was popular here and elsewhere before WWII but the Nazis showed how wrong that road could go, and people backed off the whole topic. Sanger believed that only women should decide whether to have children or not, since only women have to go through the pregnancy and labour; she wanted to prevent abortion and give poor women the same chance at a life beyond wiping butts and noses etc. .. not promote infanticide. Conscious childbearing and rearing..instead of breeding like rabbits. Youll find some other famous distortions of her words in the link I posted. As well as the CONTEXT of your conveniently abridged "quote". Perhaps you disagree that a child destined to die in infancy might better not be born, your prerogative..get back to me when you've figured out why it is still always the woman's right to choose what she will or won't do with her body.

Sanger spoke forcefully and believed she knew who should or shouldnt perpetuate their genes ..but she did not believe in forcing anyone to choose pregnancy, sterility or birth control.

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Catalina
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posted May 02, 2015 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think these investment advisors are connected to the Greens somehow.
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/banking-giant-war ns-clients-fossil-fuel#st_refDomain=m.facebook.com&st_refQuery=/home.php

The whole scene is moving sideways and will leave behind those who try to hold to the past. No one wants to go back to Victorian times but conservatives. New technologies are racing ahead to make it unnecessary. Those who Try to regress/stand still only deprive themselves on input as to how it can be achieved.

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