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5 More Things Environmentalists Got Wrong
Robert Tracinski
June 2, 2015


I wrote recently about seven big failed environmentalist predictions, from global cooling to the population bomb (which the New York Times, always on the cutting edge, has just noticed was a complete bust). But it’s not only the big scientific theories they’ve gotten wrong. When science gets harnessed for a political cause, it tends to produce a running series of oversold theories that don’t bear up under further examination.


Here are five examples that recently crossed my desk.

1) Electric cars aren’t all that “green.”

Electric cars, like the ones produced by Elon Musk’s Tesla, a darling of the environmentalist crowd, are not the first step to a post-industrial utopia. They are a product of heavy industry and are resource-intensive and energy-intensive. I’m not just referring to the “long tailpipe,” in which the energy used in an electric car spews its exhaust through the smokestack of a coal-fired power plant hundreds of miles away. I’m also referring to reports like this one.

Tesla plans to produce two types of battery at the facility that is taking shape in the desert and so far the exact specification of the lithium-ion power units is being kept a close secret. The company currently uses batteries sourced from Panasonic to power its S-model cars. These batteries use a cathode that is comprised mainly of lithium, nickel, cobalt, and aluminum oxide. According to Mr. Musk, the company will use a more powerful battery for the home grid, which will utilize nickel, manganese and cobalt oxide for its cathode.

Should the concept capture the imagination of Americans who are increasingly conscious of reducing their carbon footprint demand for these crucial elements could skyrocket in addition to the already robust global demand for lithium, nickel, and copper. Major mining companies are already “future proofing” their businesses for climate change by focusing more investment into commodities that will be required by the renewable energy industry.

According to research by the broker Macquarie, Tesla alone may require up to 10,000 tons per year of cobalt, which accounts for around 10% of the current global market.

So Musk’s “green energy” efforts are spurring a boom in mining, particularly for heavy metals. And Tesla is still just a tiny niche automaker producing vanity vehicles for the upper middle class.

This also allows us to predict that if the electric cars ever actually become convenient and affordable for the masses—which is still a very long way off—environmentalists will suddenly discover all of the hundreds of thousands of tons of heavy metals that are being stripped out of the Earth to build them, then combined with various chemical concoctions and distributed carelessly on our roadways. And they will naturally decide that this can’t be permitted.

2) Global warming isn’t killing the bees.

Scientists have been investigating “colony collapse disorder,” a mysterious die-off of honey bees, and there was inevitable speculation that it might be caused by “climate change.” (The underlying quote in that link blames “the weather,” and as we are reminded every time there’s a really cold winter, “weather is not climate”—except, of course, when weather needs to be climate so it can shore up an environmentalist theory.)

Recently, scientists serendipitously discovered what looks like the actual cause of colony collapse: the spread of a parasitic fly that attacks the bees and uses them to grow its own larvae.

A fly (Apocephalus borealis) had inserted its eggs into the bees, using their bodies as a home for its developing larvae. And the invaders had somehow led the bees from their hives to their deaths.

The fly is not spread, as far as anyone can tell, by warmer weather. (And even if it were, global temperatures have been flat for the past 15 to 20 years.) Instead, it seems to be spread by the increased transportation of honeybees across the country by beekeepers.

3) It’s not killing the frogs, either.

Global warming was also supposed to be killing frogs. But again, new studies indicate that the frogs are being killed by a natural pathogen, the chytrid fungus, and that its spread has been accelerated by the natural weather pattern known as El Niño, and not by some anomalous global warming.

In a 2006 paper in Nature, a team of US and Latin American scientists linked rising tropical temperatures to the disappearance of 64 amphibian species in Central and South America. They proposed that warmer temperatures, associated with greater cloud cover, had led to cooler days and warmer nights, creating conditions that allowed the chytrid fungus to grow and spread. The fungus kills frogs and toads by releasing poison and attacking their skin and teeth. “Disease is the bullet killing frogs, but climate change is pulling the trigger,” the lead author of the Nature study and a research scientist at the Monteverde reserve, J. Alan Pounds, said at the time.

The new study in PNAS suggests that it was El Niño—not climate change—that caused the fungus to thrive, killing the golden toad. “El Niño pulled the trigger,” said Anchukaitis….

Their results are only the latest challenge to the theory that climate change is driving the deadly chytrid outbreaks in the Americas. In a 2008 paper in the journal PLoS Biology, University of Maryland biologist Karen Lips mapped the loss of harlequin frogs from Costa Rica to Panama. She found that their decline followed the step-by-step pattern of an emerging infectious disease, affecting frogs in the mountains but not the lowlands. Had the outbreak been climate-induced, she said, the decline should have moved up and down the mountains over time.

Nature is always roiled by competition between species, which includes the spread of natural pathogens that evolve to prey on a particular species, which in turn evolves to avoid the pathogens. This has been going on since the beginning of life on Earth, and those who seek some extraordinary cause for every new pathogen are the ones who are denying science.

But the temptation is understandable, if not entirely forgivable. It’s driven by something scientists refer to, when talking amongst themselves, as “grantsmanship”: the skill of writing a grant proposal in a way that is more likely to win funding, particularly from government agencies. So if you just want to study frogs, for God’s sake don’t say that. How much money can there possibly be for studying frogs? Instead, say that you want to study the effect of climate change on frogs. Now you’re tapping into a much larger fund, the money set aside for studying “climate change.” So you’re more likely to get your grant, while some other poor sucker who just wants to study frogs gets left out.

Conversely, even if you demonstrate that global warming did not cause the demise of the frogs, for God’s sake don’t announce that too loudly. Instead, make clear to tell everyone that even though global warming didn’t kill the frogs, you’re sure it must be killing something else. Hence the following exercises in throat-clearing from this report.

“There’s no comfort in knowing that the golden toad’s extinction was the result of El Niño and an introduced pathogen, because climate change will no doubt play a role in future extinctions,” said study lead author Kevin Anchukaitis, a climate scientist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory.

And:

That does not mean humans are off the hook, said Evans. “Extinctions happen for reasons that are independent of human-caused climate change, but that does not mean human-caused climate change can’t cause extinctions,” he said.

Global warming is truly an unfalsifiable hypothesis, when evidence against its catastrophic effects has to be accompanied by warnings about how certain we are that it is catastrophic.

4) “Organic” food is grown with pesticides.

The open secret about “organic” food is that there has never been any objective standard to determine what is “organic” and what isn’t.

Nobody has ever found a way to demonstrate any measurable difference in the actual food itself. It’s almost as if growing food using “organic” methods makes no difference at all except to raise the price Whole Foods can charge us. Funny how that works.

But that’s just the beginning. It turns out that “organic” food is still grown using pesticides.

Some specific chemicals are not approved for use on organic farms, including organophosphates, glyphosate, atrazine, and methyl bromide. But a surprisingly high number of pesticides are allowed. And now, a number of organic farmers are asking the federal government for permission to use more synthetic pesticides….

In addition to these pesticides, organic farms are, in certain circumstances, permitted to use chemicals that are supposedly banned for organic use. One of these is methyl bromide, a fumigant that is used to boost strawberry growth. Although use of methyl bromide was banned several years ago, conventional growers can still use it if no viable alternatives are available (it’s still used extensively in California). But organic farmers can also use it, for largely the same reasons. For “perennial planting stock,” those plants that are grown throughout the year, there aren’t many organic sources of the initial seedlings. So, organic farmers are allowed to use non-organic strawberry plants, complete with methyl bromide injected into the ground, and grow them as “organic” strawberries.

Did I mention before that nature is a constant contest in which pests and pathogens are constantly trying, literally, to eat our lunch? That’s why “organic” farming doesn’t work, and it’s a “misconception that organic farming can somehow magically control pests without using chemicals.” Hence the compromise of using artificial pesticides without openly admitting it.

5) Genetically modified organisms are natural.

This one is going to blow your mind.

We know that humans have been modifying plants and animals for thousands of years through selective breeding. But this relies on naturally occurring genetic variations—say, a more heavily producing stalk of wheat—which are then selected and propagated. Because the variations originally happen without human intervention, this process seems more “natural,” despite being called “artificial selection.”

Genetically modified foods, by contrast, seem “unnatural” because genetic science allows us to produce new variations by combining genes from species that are often very far apart in the tree of life—a gene taken from a worm, say, and implanted in a pig.

This is obviously an abomination because this kind of gene transfer could never, ever, ever happen in nature.

Except that it does, and quite frequently.

The science on this is summed up in an eye-opening report which argues that Chipotle, the chain that recently made an ostentatious display of banning GMOs from its menu, is serving up its burritos to genetically modified humans.

All human beings, two Cambridge University scientists have established, are genetically modified, including Chipotle’s customers. Over the years, hundreds of foreign genes have jumped into human DNA through a natural phenomenon called “gene flow.” As a result, all humans carry genes that originated in algae, bacteria and fungi. If humans can safely accept alien genes without mishap, why not food, too?

When fears about genetically modified foods first arose, little was known about gene flow, also called horizontal gene transfer. The idea that genes could jump across species violated then-conventional wisdom. But scientific research has established that natural gene transfers regularly occur. So genetic transfers are not a human invention—just a belated human effort to imitate what nature has been doing all along.

Notice that phrase about “then-conventional wisdom.” Score yet another loss for the scientific “consensus.”

These are just a few more reminders that we should be skeptical when science is dragooned for a fashionable political cause. Because the politics invariably gets way ahead of the science
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/02/5-more-things-environmentalists-got-wrong/

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posted June 03, 2015 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a little hesitatnt about the last one, but great info!

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posted June 12, 2015 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, it's "Settled Science"!
There's a Consensus!
Is it June 2015 yet?

FLASHBACK: ABC's ’08 Prediction: NYC Under Water from Climate Change By June 2015
Scott Whitlock
June 12, 2015

New York City underwater? Gas over $9 a gallon? A carton of milk costs almost $13? Welcome to June 12, 2015. Or at least that was the wildly-inaccurate version of 2015 predicted by ABC News exactly seven years ago. Appearing on Good Morning America in 2008, Bob Woodruff hyped Earth 2100, a special that pushed apocalyptic predictions of the then-futuristic 2015.

The segment included supposedly prophetic videos, such as a teenager declaring, "It's June 8th, 2015. One carton of milk is $12.99." (On the actual June 8, 2015, a gallon of milk cost, on average, $3.39.) Another clip featured this prediction for the current year: "Gas reached over $9 a gallon." (In reality, gas costs an average of $2.75.)

On June 12, 2008, correspondent Bob Woodruff revealed that the program "puts participants in the future and asks them to report back about what it is like to live in this future world. The first stop is the year 2015."

As one expert warns that in 2015 the sea level will rise quickly, a visual shows New York City being engulfed by water. The video montage includes another unidentified person predicting that "flames cover hundreds of miles."

Then-GMA co-anchor Chris Cuomo appeared frightened by this future world. He wondered, "I think we're familiar with some of these issues, but, boy, 2015? That's seven years from now. Could it really be that bad?"

Ultimately, ABC delayed the air-date for Earth 2100 and the one-hour show didn't debut until June 2, 2009. The program showcased the terrible impact of global warming from 2015 through 2100. In the special, a "storm of the century" wiped out Miami. Other highlights included a destroyed New York City and an abandoned Las Vegas. By 2084, Earth's population will apparently be just 2.7 billion.

On June 13, 2008, ABCNews.com promoted the special by hyperventilating, "Are we living in the last century of our civilization?" Unlike the 2015 predictions, that suggestion hasn't (yet) been proven wrong.

Seven years later, the network has quietly ignored its horribly inaccurate predictions about 2015. When it comes to global warming claims, apparently results don't matter for ABC.

A partial transcript of the June 12, 2008 GMA segment is below:

GMA
6/12/08
8:34am

CHRIS CUOMO: Now, we will have a dramatic preview for you of an unprecedented ABC News event called "Earth 2100." We're asking you to help create a story that is yet to unfold: What our world will look like in 100 years if we don't save our troubled planet. Your reports will actually help form the backbone of a two-hour special airing this fall. ABC's Bob Woodruff will be the host. He joins us now. Pleasure, Bob.

BOB WOODRUFF: You too, Chris. You know, this show is a countdown through the next century and shows what scientists say might very well happen if we do not change our current path. As part of the show, today, we are launching an interactive web game which puts participants in the future and asks them to report back about what it is like to live in this future world. The first stop is the year 2015.

[NOTE: ABC provides no graphics or identification for any of the following individuals/activists featured. Identifications taken discerned from web article.]

UNIDENTIFIED MALE #1: The public is sleepwalking into the future. You know, sort of going through the motions of daily life and really not paying attention.

JAMES HANSEN (NASA/AL GORE SCIENCE ADVISOR): We can see what the prospects are and we can see that we could solve the problem but we're not doing it.

[Graphic: Welcome to 2015]

PETER GLEICK (SCIENTIST/PACIFIC INSTITUTE): In 2015, we've still failed to address the climate problem.

JOHN HOLDREN (PROFESSOR/HARVARD UNIVERSITY): We're going to see more floods, more droughts, more wildfires.

UNIDENTIFIED "REPORTER:" Flames cover hundreds of square miles.

UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: We expect more intense hurricanes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE #5: Well, how warm is it going to get? How much will sea level rise? We don't know really know where the end is.

UNIDENTIFIED VOICE #2: Temperatures have hit dangerous levels.

UNIDENTIFIED VOICE #3: Agriculture production is dropping because temperatures are
rising.

HEIDI CULLEN (WEATHER CHANNEL/CLIMATE CHANGE EXPERT): There's about one billion people who are malnourished. That number just continually grows.

...

CUOMO: I think we're familiar with some of these issues, but, boy, 2015? That's seven years from now. Could it really be that bad?

WOODRUFF: It's very soon, you know. But all you have to do is look at the world today right today. You know, you've got gas prices going up. You got food prices going up. You've got extreme weather. The scientists have studied this for decades. They say if you connect the dots, you can actually see that we're approaching maybe even a perfect storm. Or you have got shrinking resources, population growth. Climate change. So, the idea now is to look at it, wake up about it and then try to do something to fix it.

...

WOODRUFF: But the best of these regular reports that come from people that are watching, we're going to put those on, all of this on our two-hour production that's going to happen in the fall. And we just want more of these people to watch. And we've gotten already some remarkable interviews from these people. And just take a quick look.

UNIDENTIFIED TEENAGER: It's June 8th, 2015. One carton of milk is $12.99.

SECOND UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gas reached over $9 a gallon.

THIRD UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm scared [bleeped] right now, but I have to get this out.

WOODRUFF: So the producers actually work with those people that send in their ideas into the website. And then we're just hoping that the goal is ultimately get these ideas very soon.

CUOMO: Lovely. Bob Woodruff. Thank you very much. You can find out much more about how you can be part of this exciting and important show. You can go to Earth2100.tv. Earth2100.tv or you can go to ABCNews.com.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/ flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june

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posted June 12, 2015 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Idiots!

Even though King Obama wants gas to be much higher.

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posted June 13, 2015 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Idiots indeed!

Everyone already knows the idiot dip-stick Chris Cuomo's intellectual crankcase is running 3 or 4 quarts low.

But Bob Woodruff is widely listened to at the ABC News Network and consulted on a wide range of subjects.

Interesting to find out Bob Woodruff is a stealth intellectual pygmy too. Or, perhaps his traumatic brain injury from covering the Iraq War is more serious than anyone knew...previously.

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posted June 16, 2015 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first issue about GMOs is that most have not been thoroughly tested and they constitute an unknown risk..which may or may not prove as dangerous as the most paranoid naysayers believe. Also that peoole have a right to know what they are eating and the companies who create GMOs are scared to label them and leave it to the Free Market to decide.

The fact that they are created to withstand more and more chem pesticides means they are part of an increasing poison load everywhere. Monsanto specializes in chemical poisons after all. Glyphosate is being banned in more and more countries as its health destructive wualities bevime better known.

Also the patent factor raises the spectre of the food supply being OWNED by those who can get the patents and traditional seed gathering and sharing is being discouraged in many countries.

As to organics containing pesticides yes SOME do and the prevalence of pesticides in water air and soil makes "purity" harder and harder to achieve. Many organic farmers are more conscientious than that though and want labelling for that reason too.

As to the bees the causes of their die-off seem to be multiple and the parasite you mention is gaining ground largely because bees who pollinate from crops with chemical Fungicide appear to lose their natural resistance to the parasite.

I dont remember anyone saying warming, per se, was the cause if bee die-off but then I don't claim to know all the facts on this or any subject.

Im sure some people blame Global Warming for everything, just as others blame Leftist Loony Losers for everything they object to in life.

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posted June 16, 2015 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Warming can't be the cause of anything, because there is no warming.

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posted June 17, 2015 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really? No one is blaming global warming for the bee die-offs?

Don't you know man made global warming is responsible for every ill on earth?

Claim: Climate Change will kill the bees
May 9, 2014
Only hardier species can adapt to global warming
Eric Worrall

Another claim that its worse than we thought – this time warmer temperatures are killing the bees.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/09/claim-climate-change-will-kill-the-bees/

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posted June 17, 2015 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please read my posts before responding to them. Not that difficult.

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I did read what you said. This is it.

"I dont remember anyone saying warming, per se, was the cause if bee die-off...."

Everything under the sun has been blamed on Man Made Global Warming...including the bee die-off!

Problem is....there is no warming that falls outside the normal...historical temperature variations.

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More tactical omissions i see. You left off half of my sentence, which makes it crystal clear that my not hearing something is not necessarily the same as no one saying it. You do this all the time. A half sentence out of a paragraph that actually gives meaning to that half sentence...a few words omitted from the middle (or end) of a sentence...you latch onto a tiny morsel that can be passed down the Chinese telephone wire to distort the truth...maybe that is how you actually perceive things but it goes a long way to explain your misunderstandings of the actual world.

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"I dont remember anyone saying warming, per se, was the cause if bee die-off...."

Just another lie...since idiot Man Made Global Warming Religionists DID SAY IT!

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Perhaps my post was too long for you. Maybe you can process this part:


I dont remember anyone saying warming, per se, was the cause if bee die-off but then I don't claim to know all the facts on this or any subject.

Im sure some people blame Global Warming for everything, just as others blame Leftist Loony Losers for everything they object to in life.

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posted June 23, 2015 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally, you said something that IS true.

Idiot leftist morons blame every ill on earth on Man Made Global Warming.

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June 23, 2015
Global warming causing hot dogs to slip out of buns
By Newsmachete

We know that global warming is a big threat. Oh, it may help us with our mummy problem, and be a boon for great **** , but it causes more problems than it solves – shrinking horses, causing seals to be oversexed, causing poison ivy to become even itchier, making trees less colorful, making trees more colorful, making reptiles walk uphill, destroying opium in Afghanistan, and even increasing cannibalism to unacceptable levels, with that last prediction courtesy of former CNN founder and exotic diner Ted Turner.

And now it turns out that global warming is causing a new problem: it is shrinking the size of our buns.

Long-term global warming could cause loaves of bread to shrink in size due a reduction in the amount of protein in grains, Australian scientists have found. Loaves based on 2050 atmospheric carbon dioxide levels predicted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were baked by researchers at the Victorian government and Melbourne University. They emerged smaller and crumpled compared to their present-day counterparts.

The implications for this are manifold. With smaller bread, buns will be smaller, and hot dogs will slip out of buns. Salsa dripping from smaller tacos and burritos will create slip and fall hazards, and predictably, areas with undocumented migrants will be hardest hit. And what are we going to do when sandwiches become more wich than sand?

It's a pity that scientists have not yet focused on global warming's effect on hot dogs. Global warming may shrink the size of your buns, but what if it also shrinks the size of your hot dogs as well? If they both get smaller proportionately, keeping the wiener-bun ratio at the same constant, is this really such a problem?

What do you think buns looked like before industrialization, before carbon dioxide started messing with pastries? I'll bet bagels were as big as car tires. Croissants were probably the size of javelins. Cupcakes probably were the size of cakes. A loaf of bread was probably so big that it had to be pulled in a wagon by a team of horses.

Do you think more petite pastries will be the biggest price we pay for global warming?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/06/global_warming_causing_hot_dogs_to_slip_out_of_buns.html

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posted June 23, 2015 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha! IDIOTS!

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Indeed I said it sometime ago but your blinkers prevented you seeing it. No worries it happens all the time here. And you have also proven my last point..although you appear not to have taken it in. . so thanks. As you were, cardboard caricatures. Keep spouting the predictable gossip and slogans.

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Well, Global Warming may have a redeeming feature after all.

There's a lot of people who need their buns shrunk!

So now, I'm standing by waiting for the congenital idiots of the Man Made Global Warming Religion to notice the Hiccup pandemic and blame it on...Global Warming. What else!

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quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
June 23, 2015
Global warming causing hot dogs to slip out of buns
By Newsmachete

...

And now it turns out that global warming is causing a new problem: it is shrinking the size of our buns.
...

What do you think buns looked like before industrialization, before carbon dioxide started messing with pastries?


LOL!! Too bad it doesn't work on shrinking the size of the bun-Eaters! (as you pointed out )


Jwhop! Dropped in mainly to tell you how delighted I was to see your well-wishes on my Birthday Thread (e.o. May). YOU made my Day! {{ hug!!}}


I thought of you when the Sunday news forums were talking about the Pope's statement on Global Warming....

In the midst of discussions, it dawned on me that the common issue was "pollution"...

Perhaps if they focused cleaning-up pollution, then the weather-issue could be put aside?

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I agree mirage..pollution is the big issue and cleaning it up would also help with the rest. But i believe monsanto welcome a poisoned world where only their patented products will survive..funnily though, in practice they are not doing as well as organics and creating new superweeds all the time..

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posted July 02, 2015 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello mirage, hope you had a great birthday!

I can see you there shimmering in and out of view. You should "appear" more often!

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Finally, you said something that IS true.

Idiot leftist morons blame every ill on earth on Man Made Global Warming.

And you, as usual, left out the half of that remark that applied unfavourably to your side. Yes their are morons in EVERY camp as Ive been saying for a long time. But your powers of denial usually render you unable to perceive comments like that.

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posted July 03, 2015 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are you whining about now?

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posted July 03, 2015 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not whining at all Lambchop. Just pointing out your MO...

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jwhop
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posted July 03, 2015 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, except the Man Made Global Warming idiots all seem to be lined up on the SAME SIDE!

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