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iQ
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posted June 19, 2015 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fatal-police-shootings-in-2015-approaching-400-nationwide/2015/05/30/d322256a-058e-11e5-a428-c984eb077d4e_story.html?wpisrc=al_alert-national

This is very sad, such killings have no place in a democracy. If this rate continues, in the next five years, more US Citizens would have been killed on US Soil by Cops than were killed in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks.

Gun Control should be for US Cops, not the citizens.

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posted June 19, 2015 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Corruption and police misconduct[edit]

Main article: Corruption in India

Corruption is widespread in India. It is prevalent within every section and every level of the society.[52] Corruption has taken the role of a pervasive aspect of Indian politics.[53] In India, corruption takes the form of bribes, evasion of tax and exchange controls, embezzlement, etc.

Despite state prohibitions against torture and custodial misconduct by the police, torture is widespread in police custody, which is a major reason behind deaths in custody.[54][55] The police often torture innocent people until a 'confession' is obtained to save influential and wealthy offenders.[56] G.P. Joshi, the programme coordinator of the Indian branch of the Commonwealth Human Rights Initiative in New Delhi comments that the main issue at hand concerning police violence is a lack of accountability of the police.[57]

In 2006, the Supreme Court of India in a judgment in the Prakash Singh vs. Union of India case, ordered central and state governments with seven directives to begin the process of police reform. The main objectives of this set of directives was twofold, providing tenure to and streamlining the appointment/transfer processes of policemen, and increasing the accountability of the police.[58]

In 2006, seven policemen were charge sheeted and eleven were convicted[3] for custodial misconduct. Jan Lokpal Bill is being planned to reduce the corruption.[59]

Domestic violence[edit]

Further information: Domestic violence in India

Domestic violence in India is endemic.[24] Around 70% of women in India are victims of domestic violence, according to Renuka Chowdhury, former Union minister for Women and Child Development.[25]

The National Crime Records Bureau reveal that a crime against a woman is committed every three minutes, a woman is raped every 29 minutes, a dowry death occurs every 77 minutes, and one case of cruelty committed by either the husband or relative of the husband occurs every nine minutes.[26] This occurs despite the fact that women in India are legally protected from domestic abuse under the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act.[26]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_India

Looks like there's plenty of problems for you to focus your attention on at HOME...in India. So, why don't you do that and stop meddling in America's business?

You can take the Washington Post and all the American gun grabbers, including your little Marxist Messiah, O'Bomber and stuff them where the sun don't shine.

When we want your input on America, we'll ask you for it. Until then, why don't you mind your own business and focus on problems right there in India! There's plenty to do there which should keep you occupied till the end of your days.

One more thing.

The United States is NOT A DEMOCRACY.

The United States IS A REPUBLIC, a form of government guaranteed to the states in perpetuity by the United States Constitution. We like it like that and intend to keep the republican form of government.

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posted June 23, 2015 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems in India they charge and try their out of order cops. But perhaps we should tend to OUR own probs rather than barge into other peoples' around the world?

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jwhop
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posted June 23, 2015 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"In 2006, seven policemen were charge sheeted and eleven were convicted[3] for custodial misconduct"

Yeah, they're really burning up the Indian Justice System with police prosecutions there!

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posted June 23, 2015 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many policemen have even been charged in the murder of unarmed people in the US lately? Of those, how many convicted? Do you even care, oh minder of your own business and deflecter of any criticism of the USA?

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jwhop
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posted June 24, 2015 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps you need to consult a dictionary for the definition of MURDER.

SURPRISE, IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK!

You're just doing your usual.

Trying to offset egregious behavior with other ALLEGED egregious behavior.

No sale!

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iQ
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posted June 27, 2015 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<< Looks like there's plenty of problems for you to focus your attention on at HOME...in India. So, why don't you do that and stop meddling in America's business? >>

"Ask not for whom the Bell Tolls", said a great philosopher from the West.

America sets the tone for all democracies. If Police atrocities go unchecked in the USA, then imagine the Tsunami of problems for emerging democracies like countries like India.

The World is Connected JWH. A Cop who gets your unconditional support to act as he pleases just because an Indian should not comment on America may kill an African American who may have been about to rescue 5000 bonded laborers in India through his future NGO.
On the other hand, a young Fed who awakens may read my post, do the math and suddenly throw up at imagining the volume of innocent American blood spilt by unchecked cops, and may actually do something about it. He may even save someone you or I care about years from now from a psycho Cop. I have 100+ American Citizens who are blood relatives.
Think about it. Those 385 had more than 3850 loved ones and many thousands more mourning.

Keeping quiet at any injustice anywhere in the Planet is the biggest psychological crime against Humanity.

I do commend you wholeheartedly for mentioning the sickening police crimes in India too, and trust me we are doing our best but of late an anti-Human Rights party has been voted to power so things will get delayed.

Yes, a 100 years may not change India but a highly evolved USA will force India also to improve a lot more quickly.

That is the Faith I have in the Divine Order that helped create USA and the good American people.

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posted June 27, 2015 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
America IS NOT a democracy.

With your little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber infesting the White House, America is only setting an example for total failure.

It always amazes me when people living in other nations...with huge problems in their own nations see fit to comment on what they see as American problems.

Here's a little Biblical wisdom for you!

" Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Matthew 7:5

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posted June 27, 2015 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As long as America meddles in other countries' business they are entitled to an opinion..especially if they have American relatives. As long as America prides itself in "leading the world" it is other peoples' business.

And try to be at least consistent. If America is only about Americans Obama is not IQ's anything.

The FBI have known for years about the infiltration of police forces by white supremacists. The public has witnessed police who disregard human rights for centuries. Is there nothing you won't defend in the name of "patriotism"?

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iQ
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posted June 29, 2015 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JWH, when I write America is a democracy I mean it utilizes a democratic process to elect its law makers. Citizens have the final say.
I know it is a "Constitutional Republic" but it 100% uses a Democratic Process. It looks silly when you keep screaming that America is NOT A DEMOCRACY.

The emphasis you apply is like saying:

"
Saudi Arabia is not a Democracy.
North Korea is not a Democracy.
Cuba is not a Democracy.
America is not a Democracy.
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posted July 02, 2015 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, America is meddling in other nation's business.

We should butt out and let India and Pakistan have the thermo-nuclear war they crave.

I'm sure you would like to see a reduction in the earth's population. That's in line with your heroes theory of 500,000,000 humans being the ideal population of Earth.

Sure, we meddled in the Middle East. When Israel was attacked by Arabs...Muslims, who quickly got their as$es kicked and at least in one instance, Israeli armour...tanks were about 25 miles from Damascus...in Syria, America meddled and got Israel to pull back. Not only from Syria, but also from the Sinai territory which they had captured from Egypt.

And, of course America meddled in the affairs of Europe. America intervened and prevented Hitler from winning WWII. Bad, bad, bad America.

Then, North Korea attacked South Korea. America again meddled and kicked North Korea butts back across the DMZ. Bad, bad, bad America.

Let's face it squarely, Americans are meddlers on the international stage.

Oh, btw:
"know it(America) is a "Constitutional Republic" but it 100% uses a Democratic Process.

Absolutely false.

The founders of the United States considered Democracy the most corrupt system on earth...and, instead of a "democracy", established a Constitutional Republic as the system of government for the United States.

"Ancient
Wisdom, Ancient Humility

Modern champions
of democracy, who fancy themselves courageous defenders of the
American political ideal, have either totally forgotten or never
learned what America’s Founding Fathers knew two centuries ago
– – democracy is the worst form of government ever tried.

Don’t believe
me? Consider the following quotes:

“Democracy
is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty
is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”

~
Benjamin Franklin, leader of the American Revolution

“We are
a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism
or in the extremes of Democracy… It has been observed that
a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect
government. Experience has proved that no position is more false
than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves
deliberated never possessed one good feature of government.
Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.”

~
Alexander Hamilton, Secretary of the Treasury to George Washington,
author of the Federalist Papers

“Democracy
never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.
There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”

~
John Adams, 2nd President of the United States

“A democracy
is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the
people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”

~
Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States

“Democracies
have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have
ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights
of property; and have in general been as short in their lives
as they have been violent in their death.

~
James Madison, 4th President of the United States, Father of
the Constitution

“The experience
of all former ages had shown that of all human governments,
democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.”

~
John Quincy Adams, 6th President of the United States

“Between
a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like
that between order and chaos.”

~
John Marshall, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, 1801-1835

Surprised?
You shouldn’t be, not if you know your political history.

America’s
Founding Fathers were visionary political philosophers confronted
with the most daunting task imaginable. Their task was not merely
to found a new nation, but to invent a new system of government.
They diligently researched history to learn what to do. History
rewarded them. It taught them not only what to do, but even more
importantly, what not to do. The most important thing they learned
not to do, was to adopt democracy, the worst form of government
ever tried.

Given the
Founding Fathers’ fully warranted fear and loathing of democracy,
we should not be surprised that the Constitution of the United
States does not contain a single solitary reference to the word
“democracy,” but instead stipulates that “The United States shall
guarantee to every State in this Union a republican form of government.”


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