Author
|
Topic: Supreme Court Deals Obama's Environmental Agenda A Devastating Blow!
|
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted June 29, 2015 04:13 PM
A divided Supreme Court on Monday dealt a significant blow to the Obama administration's environmental agenda, invalidating a rule that would limit the release of mercury and other pollutants from power plants.In a 5-4 ruling, the Court found that the Environmental Protection Agency did not appropriately consider the costs to utility companies when handing down the rule under the Clean Air Act. "We hold that EPA interpreted unreasonably when it deemed cost irrelevant to the decision to regulate power plants," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in the court's majority opinion. Scalia was joined in his majority opinion by the four other conservative justices, including the swing vote Justice Anthony Kennedy. The high court's four liberals dissented. The challenge centered on new EPA regulations that would prohibit some plants from emitting toxic chemicals, including mercury. But industry groups and more than 20 states sued the federal government, arguing that the EPA did not adequately consider the costs to power plants before instituting the regulations. The Obama administration argued that the costs were only a fraction of the industry's profits. The EPA initially said it was not required to take costs into account but that it eventually did so and determined that the benefits far outweighed the costs. The plaintiffs in the case said the new regulation could add almost $10 billion in annual costs. But the EPA countered that the economic benefits could reach as much as $90 billion per year, based on health benefits and saved lives. The plaintiffs countered that the maximum benefit could reach no higher than about $6 billion. The Mercury and Air Toxics (MATS) regulation had taken effect in April. Scalia suggested in his opinion that the government did not consider whether their regulations would impose any harm on human health. "The government concedes that if the agency were to find that emissions from power plants do damage to human health, but that the technologies needed to eliminate these emissions do even more damage to human health, it would still deem regulation appropriate," he wrote. "No regulation is 'appropriate' if it does significantly more harm than good." In a fiery dissent, Justice Elena Kagan said the EPA acted "well within its authority" in imposing regulations that could save "many, many lives." "The result is a decision that deprives the American public of the pollution control measures that the responsible agency, acting well within its delegated authority, found would save many, many lives," she wrote. The case, Michigan v. EPA, is part of a series of legal challenges to the Obama administration's unilateral efforts to curb pollution from coal-burning power plants. With these regulations, the government attempted for the first time to employ the Clean Air Act to limit mercury and carbon pollution from the nation's power plants. "Most recently, what I've done is I've said — about 40% of the carbon that we emit comes from power plants," President Barack Obama said at a town-hall style event last June. "So what we've said is, through the Environmental Protection Agency, we're going to set standards. We set standards for the amount of mercury and arsenic and sulfur that's pumped out by factories and power plants into our air and our water. Right now we don't have a cap on the amount of carbon pollution. So we said we're going to cap it." Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky) hailed the Supreme Court's decision, saying it represents a "cutting rebuke to the administration's callous attitude." "Obama administration officials like to pretend that the costs of their massive and regressive regulations either don't exist or don't matter," McConnell said. "Middle-class families in Kentucky and across our country don't have that luxury, and are often the first to suffer." http://finance.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-just-handed-obama-144414979.html# IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3093 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted June 30, 2015 12:31 PM
Because of course we can all eat the money regulations cut into. .instead of fish and vegetables  IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted June 30, 2015 01:11 PM
It's about power and control. Obama doesn't care about food quality, air, water, or your children.IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3093 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted June 30, 2015 01:28 PM
Well i do and I am sick of companies whingeing about loss of profits cause they have to minimize poison and destruction. They cant eat money either. It is about control and money on both sides. One is better for my health and therefore preferable. Or would you prefer to wear a mask like People in China? So now it goes back to the court who sided with the EPA..how does that compute? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted June 30, 2015 06:35 PM
Carbon isn't poison.IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3093 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted June 30, 2015 06:45 PM
The byproducts and chemicals used in its production are and if youve ever seen a slag heap you might understand what the use of coal does. we are not trading in the pure element of carbon. Hung around a dirty fireplace ever? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted June 30, 2015 06:56 PM
They only care about redistribution of wealth and selling carbon credits. And propagating false fear about how it supposedly causes warming.IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3093 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted June 30, 2015 08:04 PM
I am not so saintly that i feel qualified to judge peoples motives..but interested in results. If deregulation means reverting to hellish amounts of mercury and smoke in the atmosphere it doesn't matter to me why it's done. Money is the issue on both sides. I prefer clean air, water, and food. And coal smoke is one of the worst air polluters whatever you say about the glories of carbon.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 02:42 PM
You don't have to judge their motives. They openly admit what they want to do. Coal doesn't hurt the atmosphere anywhere near as much as volcanoes do. Let's ban them, too. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3093 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted July 01, 2015 05:37 PM
Lol so because we can't control volcanoes we should go ahead and ADD as much filth as we can..like so many rude 10 yr olds."The courage to change what I can, and accept what i cannot (change) and the wisdom to know the difference..." IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 06:37 PM
Volcanoes haven't destroyed the earth, poisoned the air and water, or killed our children. Yet one eruption spews more into the atmosphere than the entire span of man's contributions. At one point, many volcanoes were erupting continuously. It might even have been a good thing. Carbon isn't filth to the earth. The earth was used to it long before man existed.IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 9004 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 06:49 PM
I see that as a bit of an overreach. Volcanos certainly have killed children, put poisonous gas`s in the air and polluted waters. ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 07:19 PM
Do you mean killed children as in they were close to a violent eruption? Coal plants have been around for many years. Where are the casualties? Let's ban cars and BBQ grills, too. Let's go back to riding horses.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 07:23 PM
Pollution is the excuse used to create fear mongering for the green ( ) movement to try to eliminate the coal competition, because the global warming fallacy didn't work. And, of course, the nonexistant danger to our children.Ultimately, the Supreme Court has spoken. King Obama's gestapo arm of the EPA can't just do anything they want. Expect the EPA to be crippled once a Republican president gets elected. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3093 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted July 01, 2015 07:40 PM
Lol so because we can't control volcanoes we should go ahead and ADD as much filth as we can..like so many rude 10 yr olds."The courage to change what I can, and accept what i cannot (change) and the wisdom to know the difference..." IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 9004 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 07:42 PM
quote: Volcanoes haven't destroyed the earth, poisoned the air and water, or killed our children
Yes, the volcanic explosions have killed children. Another point of over reach:
snippet quote: The volcanic gases that pose the greatest potential hazard to people, animals, agriculture, and property are sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide, and hydrogen fluoride. Locally, sulfur dioxide gas can lead to acid rain and air pollution downwind from a volcano. Globally, large explosive eruptions that inject a tremendous volume of sulfur aerosols into the stratosphere can lead to lower surface temperatures and promote depletion of the Earth's ozone layer. Because carbon dioxide gas is heavier than air, the gas may flow into in low-lying areas and collect in the soil. The concentration of carbon dioxide gas in these areas can be lethal to people, animals, and vegetation. A few historic eruptions have released sufficient fluorine-compounds to deform or kill animals that grazed on vegetation coated with volcanic ash; fluorine compounds tend to become concentrated on fine-grained ash particles, which can be ingested by animals.
A very good article here for you to read http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php You may do without cars and BBQ grills but I`ll pass! ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 07:50 PM
My point is that one large eruption is many times worse to the environment than what man has done our entire time here.IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 9004 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 07:56 PM
quote:Randall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Volcanoes haven't destroyed the earth, poisoned the air and water, or killed our children Why didn`t you say so ?  ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 07:57 PM
They release a lot of CO2, but the earth isn't scorched. People live near constantly active volcanoes with no health hazards from the ash. I concede that a few "historic" eruptions have been dangerous to local vegetation. So have forest fires caused by mother nature. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 08:00 PM
I was talking in the sense of permanence. The earth still stands. The ozone layer hasn't disappeared. The earth is not destroyed. But for a few huge eruptions, yeah, there were some local hazards. But coal plants are no comparison to these isolated massive eruptions. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 08:15 PM
Some good things volcanoes do: http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/what-are-some-good-things-volcanoes-do IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 08:17 PM
The ash creates very fertile soil in areas with active volcanoes. With huge eruptions, perhaps it's just too much too quickly. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 08:18 PM
http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/soil.htm IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 54507 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted July 01, 2015 08:23 PM
Wow! I didn't know that volcanoes actually created our atmosphere and all the water in the oceans!  IP: Logged |