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Catalina
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posted July 06, 2015 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems people are getting tired of waiting for legislative reform. ..tho there are some interesting moves being tabled in Congress too.

Hungary kicked out the IMF by paying their debt down..ahead of schedule and are making their own currency. .they also showed Monsanto the door but that's another story...

Meanwhile a new alliance between China, Russia, Brazil and India is getting in shape to challenge the global economic system. Interesting times.


Greece ..What You are not Being Told by the Media

Jeffrey Phillips| Jul 6, 2015 |Headline News, World News

(Nationofchange)Every single mainstream media has the following narrative for the economic crisis in Greece: the government spent too much money and went broke; the generous banks gave them money, but Greece still can't pay the bills because it mismanaged the money that was given. It sounds quite reasonable, right?

Except that it is a big fat lie not only about Greece, but about other European countries such as Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland who are all experiencing various degrees of austerity. It was also the same big, fat lie that was used by banks and corporations to exploit many Latin American, Asian and African countries for many decades.

Greece did not fail on its own. It was made to fail.
http://wearechange.org/greece-what-you-are-not-being-told-by-the-media/

What exactly does it mean for a big Wall Street bank to plead guilty to a serious crime? Right now, practically nothing.

But it will if California's Santa Cruz County has any say.


http://www.alternet.org/economy/california-county-thats-leading-way-cut ting-banks-out-its-economy?sc=fb

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posted July 07, 2015 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I agree with the premise banks...including central banks and the IMF shouldn't loan Greece..or Ireland..or Spain..or any other nation a penny. Not until they prove they can run an economy which won't bankrupt their nation by bloated government bureaucrat bungling and absurd pension programs to government employees. Let these Socialist morons pay for their own excesses.

The problem with Socialism is that eventually, they run out of "other people's money".

Why the hell should capitalist nations prop up and bail out the excesses of Socialists?

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posted July 07, 2015 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Profit, jwhop. That is the alpha and omega of it.

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posted July 07, 2015 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's no profit for banks to be made when they loan to governments which go bankrupt and bankruptcy courts write their debts off the books.

More Socialist bullshiiite!

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posted July 07, 2015 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The profit they were trying to extract is a large part of the debt..duh. And Germany OWES Greece a reciprical foregiveness...for helping them get back on their feet when they needed it.
http://egbertowillies.com/2015/07/07/who-is-the-real-slacker-germany

it is certainly interesting that those who believe in low tax austerity are screaming the loudest about Greece's lack of ability to..collect taxes! And the black market be ing deplored what is that but people taking care of thrmselves without depending on govt?

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posted July 07, 2015 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If its alright for Drumpf to save his neck with bankruptcy..why not Greece?

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posted July 08, 2015 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have no problem with Greece going bankrupt, none at all.

Let the bankers who loaned Greece billions..knowing they likely wouldn't get repaid...by Greece..bite the bullet. What these bankers counted on was getting repaid by taxpayers of other nations...including the US. Not one penny to bail them...or Greece out!

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posted July 08, 2015 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. A full 180. Congratulations. I wager more and more countries and people will be calling their bluff. The banking mob have started to devour their own tails.

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posted July 08, 2015 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pop! goes the weasel!
http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/china-1929-crash-worsens-contagion-spreads-hk-next-dk-m atai


The swansong of fake money continues

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posted July 08, 2015 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't try that 180* bullshiiite on me.

I never advocated for bailing out nations...or banks which were too damned stupid to manage their countries or businesses.

In fact, I advocated for GM and Chrysler to go bankrupt and then reorganize. It was your little Marxist Messiah who insisted on bailing out GM and Chrysler...WHICH THEN FILLED FOR BANKRUPTCY ANYWAY...after blowing through 30-40 BILLION of O'Bomber bail out money...at taxpayer expense.

But hey, O'Bomber did get his name on a Chevy...the Volt...otherwise know as the O'BomberMobile. GM had to sell the O'BomberMobile $10,000 to 15,000 below cost of production just to get them off dealer lots.

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posted July 08, 2015 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You claimed, on this page, that there was "no profit in loaning money to socialists like Greece". Two posts later you admitted that they expected to make their profit off the taxpayers of whatever countries could be duped into it. So you know there IS and has been profit in squeezing the poor - individuals and countries - it has been going on for years but people are planting their feet and their votes against the highway robbers now.

It was Bush, remember, who agreed to bail out our own "too big to failers". But when it came to spending the taxpayers money on helping the taxpayer who had been bilked, the Republicans balked , stalled, and voted for cuts and defunding.

As the former Ohio Senator ( Republican Voinovich) informed us..they were "ordered to ensure Obama failed even if it hurt the people and the Country". They have bokstered this era's robber barons and tried to grind the poor underfoot. They will not be returned again, people are wise to and sick of the moneybags and hatespeech. Including Trump, who has no clue how to work with people he can't fire or compromise with a contract.

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posted July 08, 2015 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I made a TRUE statement.

"There's no profit for banks to be made when they loan to governments which go bankrupt and bankruptcy courts write their debts off the books."

There may be money to made by lending to governments which go to the edge of bankruptcy...then get bailed out by other governments and get their loans paid back by other nation's taxpayers, the IMF included.

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posted July 09, 2015 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No..no money in it

From Robert Reich
People seem to forget that the Greek debt crisis -- which is becoming a European and even possibly a world economic crisis – grew out of a deal with Goldman Sachs, engineered by Goldman’s Lloyd Blankfein. Several years ago, Blankfein and his Goldman team helped Greece hide the true extent of its debt -- and in the process almost doubled it. When the first debt deal was struck in 2001, Greece owed about 600 million euros ($793 million) more than the 2.8 billion euros it had borrowed. Goldman then cooked up an off-the-books derivative for Greece that disguised the shortfall but increased the government’s losses to 5.1 billion euros. In 2005, the deal was restructured and the 5.1 billion euro debt was locked in. After that, Goldman and the rest of Wall Street pulled the global economy to its knees – whacking Greece even harder.

Undoubtedly, Greece suffers from years of corruption and tax avoidance by its wealthy. But Goldman Sachs isn't exactly innocent. It padded its profits by catastrophically leveraging up the global economy with secret, off-balance-sheet debt deals. Did any of its executives ever go to jail? Of course not. They all got fat bonuses and promotions. Blankfein, now CEO, raked in $24 million in 2014 alone. Meanwhile, the people of Greece struggle to buy medicine and food.

Doesn't seem right, does it?

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posted July 09, 2015 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
" After that, Goldman and the rest of Wall Street pulled the global economy to its knees – whacking Greece even harder."

Horshshiiite!

Wall Street didn't collapse the US economy. Idiot leftist policies of forcing banks to make home loans to people who couldn't make the mortgage payments did that.

In the middle of all this was Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac buying up that worthless mortgage paper, packaging it with good mortgage paper and selling it in blocks to banks. At the head of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were demoscats...Harold Raines, Jamie Goerlich and Tim Johnson who ripped off the US for about $50-60 MILLION in bonus money by cooking the books, ENRON style and publishing lying reports. When those worthless loans began defaulting and then defaulting loans snowballed massively, home prices plummeted because there were suddenly a lot more homes for sale and in foreclosure sales than there were buyers. The loss of about 1/6th of the US economy...Housing, crippled the US economy.

Further, there was that far left moron group, ACORN..O'Bomber's as$hole buddies, writing mortgage loan business for home buyers who they knew couldn't even begin to make the mortgage payments by cooking the loan applications...and taking broker fees for doing so, then selling the worthless mortgage paper to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

You always manage to find idiots to quote. Robert Reich is no exception to that rule.

Foreign banks...along with US banks and other institutions like insurance companies took a bath because some of the US banks which bought all that mortgage paper sold derivatives based on the value of the mortgage block packages which were suddenly worth a lot less than what was paid for them.

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posted July 10, 2015 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont agree with Reich on everything .. and I agree Goldman Sachs was hardly a lone wolf in the scenario. But a) he has better sources than you and b) his succinct if somewhat simplistic precis is close enough to the facts to paint a basic picture. Some took a haircut but many made a killing.

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posted July 10, 2015 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The banks (some) are not blameless...for a couple of reasons.

First, they let demoscat morons meddle in their business by relaxing their mortgage lending guidelines under pressure by demoscats.

Second, they listened to Timothy Geithner..another demoscat, who was head of the New York Fed. Geithner wrote the equation for valuing the derivatives on the packaged mortgage paper banks sold all over the world. Obviously, that equation only worked if...housing prices continued to rise AND..mortgage defaults remained low. Neither of which actually happened.

O'Bomber rewarded Timothy Geithner by making him Secretary of the Treasury of the United States.

O'Bomber also rewarded the fraudster trio of Raines, Goerlich and Johnson...demoscats...by hiring them to be his "Housing Advisors" for his political campaign...after they looted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!

There are people just as stupid and corrupt working all over the O'Bomber Administration.

Hey, with people like this working for Amerika, what could possibly go wrong!!

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posted July 15, 2015 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, this is a worldwide scam the banks have perpetrated, with the collusion of Goldman and others. Mortgages are only part of it. And the beat goes on

http://thefifthcolumnnews.com/2015/05/banks-admit-to-libor-guilt-but-the-plea-is-a-bargain/

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posted July 15, 2015 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're off point...again.

Manipulating interest rates on Libor adjustable interest rate loans DID NOT collapse the US economy...or the world economy either.

That said, I have absolutely no problem with putting bankers in prison for breaking the law...NONE whatsoever.

In fact, I'm on record here as being in favor of prosecuting, convicting and imprisoning every banker of the Federal Reserve system...AND repealing the Federal Reserve Act of 1913..which was instituted by the little Socialist clown Woodrow Wilson.

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posted July 15, 2015 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its not all about the Fed. Nor social)sm

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posted July 15, 2015 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never said it was about the Fed, only that I'd like to see all the Fed bankers in prison and the Federal Reserve Act repealed.

My reference to Socialism was to Woodrow Wilson..the Socialist Progressive.

Let's see now, what was it Hillary said?

Oh yeah, now I remember. Hillary said she's NOT A LIBERAL but that she's an early 20th Century style Progressive...like the Socialist Progressive Woodrow Wilson.

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posted July 20, 2015 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We're Not Done Profiting from the
Greek Crisis Yet
And of course the stockmarket punters are getting in place for a feeding frenzy ..iow profiting from other's misery. While the Greek people voted against bailouts and more "austerity" ie wringing people with nothing to punish them for the machinations of the ruling class and wealthy taxdodgers, their brave leaders had already sold them out. And the fact that the Greeks are just faceless jots in a column makes wall streeters happy to dance on their graves as long as they can cash in..

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posted July 20, 2015 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course people make profits from trading in money/currency...which is a commodity after all.

But thanks for reminding us of the communist viewpoint...that profit is evil. Of course, these same communist idiots value their work...in units of money...profit from selling their own labor. These same communist idiot do value their labor; in fact, most of the problems in the Greek communist economy arise from the fact their communist government geeks value their own labor/work to be worth more than workers in the private sector Greek economy. They've bankrupted Greece with their labor rates and benefits...including pensions. Now, they want private enterprise to bail them out of the mess of their own creation.

Until you get it that money is a unit/measure of value produced by making something of value, you'll keep spouting your Marxist Communist drivel.

Yes, by all means, let's donate our money to Greek communists interest free, with no hope of ever being repaid. Communist idiots never learn a thing. They have no intentions of changing a thing.

Don't give them a cent!

Socialism is fine....until you run out of other people's money.

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posted July 20, 2015 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You havent given them a cent and never will. But go ahead and enjoy the profit from their very real distress. The idea that money markets dont absorb "other people's money" at a runaway pace is so much farfel.

But this is futile. Toodleoo

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posted July 20, 2015 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's right I haven't given them a penny and wouldn't but the US government has made donations in my name. I resent the hell out of loading up my balance sheet with loans made to communist idiots which will never be repaid.

As for Greek "distress". No one has a right to wheeze, whine, screech and shriek when they shoot themselves in the foot.

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