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Catalina
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posted October 05, 2015 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you mean Ron Paul..and there its the possibility that despite massive public support from across the political spectrum, the delegates and electors won't let Sanders in. However as much as running for Prez Sanders is running for people to use their power and refuse to be relegated to slavery. ..

Pity so many of the public are hypnotized by labels..and equate discussing something with "admitting to it".

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posted October 06, 2015 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
America will never elect a Socialist for POTUS.

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posted October 06, 2015 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really. Never is a big little word.

I thought they already had. .in fact every Prez the conservatives don't like has been fingered as a Socialist.

To the point where it no longer means anything. Just a scarecrow term.

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posted October 06, 2015 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The tea party of the left is surely an oxymoron.

No, it's not. The Boston Tea Party happened because a far off government taxed Americans without any American consultation. Sander's movement is primarily concerned with returning representation to the citizens of this country, which ought to have more say than corporations or monied interests.

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But it's good to see Democrats admit that they are really Socialists.

It's meaningless, unless you assign meaning.

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He doesn't stand a snowball's chance.

Hillary hopes you're right.

For having some destiny that belies this, he's doing pretty good.

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Sanders is the new Rand Paul.

That's a difficult sentence to read.

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However as much as running for Prez Sanders is running for people to use their power and refuse to be relegated to slavery.

True.

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America will never elect a Socialist for POTUS.

I don't think people would generally categorize him as being more of a Socialist than FDR, our only three term President. Just as a reminder, FDR capped CEO pay at $25,000, an excess of which would be taxed at 100%.

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I thought they already had. .in fact every Prez the conservatives don't like has been fingered as a Socialist.

True. Obama certainly was.

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To the point where it no longer means anything. Just a scarecrow term.

I agree

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posted October 07, 2015 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FDR was an exception, and the times were different, but as parties go, I don't see there ever being three terms in a row. The Dems have had their 8 years. Time for new blood.

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posted October 07, 2015 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually FDR was elected 4 times tho he died shortly after the 4th. Truman not only completed that term but ran his own; that is five consecutive Dem terms. Reagan..followed by HW...3 terms Repub. And at present about half the voters are non party so they will be voting policies, not parties, most likely.

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posted October 08, 2015 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree with Kat. It's certainly not a sure thing, but Republicans have had some very serious issues of late.

I don't often quote NewsMax, but I think this is a reasonable exception:

Bernanke: 'I Didn't Leave the Republican Party. I Felt That the Party Left Me'

Wednesday, 07 Oct 2015 09:49 AM

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke confesses he doesn’t consider himself a Republican any longer.

Bernanke, in a new memoir, says continual run-ins with hard-right Republicans—such as noted Fed critic Ron Paul, the former Texas congressman—gradually pushed him away from the party that first put him in charge of the Fed in 2006, Quartz reported.

“[T]he increasing hostility of the Republicans to the Fed and to me personally troubled me, particularly since I had been appointed by a Republican president who had supported our actions during the crisis. I tried to listen carefully and accept thoughtful criticisms. But it seemed to me that the crisis had helped to radicalize large parts of the Republican Party,” Bernanke writes on page 432.

While arguing that Democrats “suffered their own delusions, especially on the far left,” the former Princeton economics professor said he had “lost patience with Republicans’ susceptibility to the know-nothing-ism of the far right. I didn’t leave the Republican Party. I felt that the party left me,”

“I view myself now as a moderate independent, and I think that’s where I’ll stay.”

Bernanke's new book, "The Courage to Act: A Memoir of a Crisis and Its Aftermath," went on sale in bookstores this week. The 610-page memoir, which Bernanke began writing after he left the Fed in January 2014, is his defense of the extraordinary measures the Fed employed to rescue the economy after the 2008 financial crisis.

Meanwhile, Bernanke says the U.S. economy is outperforming Europe at the moment because the Fed moved more quickly and aggressively to fight the 2008 financial crisis than Europe did, the AP reported.

Bernanke, writing an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal this week, said that U.S. economic output is 8.9 percent higher than its previous peak before the recession. That is "an enormous difference" from the Eurozone, where output is only 0.8 percent higher than its previous peak.

Bernanke credited those differences to aggressive efforts by the Fed to jump-start economic growth. He said the Fed started six years ahead of moves by the European Central Bank.

In his opinion piece, Bernanke was critical of the fact that for too long, the Fed was the only game in town in terms of pursuing efforts to get the country out of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression because of political gridlock in Congress.

"Monetary policy (interest rates controlled by the Fed) can no longer be the only game in town. Fiscal policy makers in Congress need to step up," Bernanke wrote. "We need to do more to improve worker skills, foster capital investment and support research and development."

Bernanke said that the weekend in September 2008 when regulators sought desperately but in vain to save investment bank Lehman Brothers was his worst moment in the crisis. He said he was concerned that the failure of Lehman, the biggest bankruptcy in U.S. history, could send the entire economy into another Great Depression like the 1930s.

"I was very worried," Bernanke said in an interview Monday with CNBC. "My whole background as an academic was studying the Great Depression, studying financial panics, their effect on the economy. And I saw we were having the grand-daddy of all financial panics about to explode on us and I thought the consequences would be tremendous."


In the interview, Bernanke refused to second-guess the job being done by his successor, Janet Yellen. But he generally expressed support for the Fed's current stance of making sure low inflation is headed back to the Fed's 2 percent goal before starting to raise interest rates.

The Fed in September decided to delay a rate hike because of concerns about developments in financial markets and China. But officials have since said rates could still be raised before the end of the year. The Fed has meetings in October and December.

Bernanke, who was Fed chairman for eight years starting in February 2006, is now a distinguished fellow in residence at the Brookings Institution in Washington. He said that his wife is much happier with his new job, relating her reaction when he told her he had been tapped for the Fed chairman's job.

"When I called to tell her, she broke into tears, and they were not tears of joy," he said.

© Copyright 2015 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StreetTalk/Ben-Bernanke-Republican-Party-GOP-Federal-Reserve/2015/10/07/id/695078/#ixzz3nzzdSP6a

This article about the previous Republican Fed Chair, Alan Greenspan, is equally distressing:
Greenspan Concedes Error on Regulation

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posted October 10, 2015 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could find similar stories on the Dem side.

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posted October 13, 2015 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of former Fed chairs? That would be interesting.

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posted October 13, 2015 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, but the job doesn't matter. Loonies come in all occupations. Repubs and Dems will always be with us. The deck is stacked. The game is set to last forever.

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posted October 14, 2015 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

Never...always..those are dogma words Randall.
"There will always be an England"
Says who?

The original Democratic and Republican parties were actually one party. .back in the 18th c

There is no reason to believe the same parties will always be with us. The Constitution doesn't lay down party names or structures.

Change is always in the wings. In fact the present main parties only started around the time of the civil war. .maybe not such a good vibe to run a country on. ..and certainly not guaranteed to continue forever and looking Like we might be seeing a new era birthing

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posted October 14, 2015 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The two-party system has planted its feet in deep. That won't ever change. The deck is stacked against any other parties. I personally like the Libertarians, but any vote for one is a wasted vote. Notwithstanding the rare exception, candidates don't stand a chance unless one or the other. Why do you think Sanders isn't running as a member of the Socialist party?

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posted October 14, 2015 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is not the same as thinking those two parties will never give way to others. They emerged out of the disintegration of parties of the past, and will likely give way to whatever comes next.

The Republicans are in dire need of a complete shapeshift or replacement by something more in step with the times. Rupert Murdoch wont live forever, and despite acquiring Natl Geographic, is losing his grip, along with the whole "southern strategy" and "free market" lie

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posted October 14, 2015 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because he is not that kind of Socialist! Open your ears !

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posted October 14, 2015 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's like saying pork isn't that kind of pig. Bacon is bacon.

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posted October 14, 2015 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bacon can be pork, chicken, turkey or tofu. Not the same at all. Your mind is balking at the Democratic part, at his inclusion of Capitalism, at so many things here.

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posted October 14, 2015 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sanders is a Socialist just as he claims. If not, he would not use the term. But no matter, he has zero chance of getting the nomination.

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posted October 14, 2015 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
K describe Socialist.
Describe Democratic Socialist.
Do you think Norway and China are the same?
Do you think the People's Republic of China is the same as our Republic?

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posted October 19, 2015 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meanwhile the Clinton witch hunt which has now been admitted to be a political campaign tool - using taxpayer money for party gain in the election - has turned up.... Gowdy's willingness to alter the evidence to crucify her.

Fox News contributor and Benghazi accuser has just been charged for fraudulent claims that he was a CIA operative - which claims lent credence a bunch of tall tales of Muslim terrorist cells and foul play in Libya.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/19/1434804/-CIA-Confirms-Trey-Gowdy-A-Bald-Faced-Liar?

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/18/1434647/-Rep-Cummings-Gowdy-altered-documents-in-order-to-make-false-allegations-against-Clinton

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posted October 19, 2015 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/15/wayne-simmons-right-wing-medias-benghazi-expert/206194

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posted October 19, 2015 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://reverbpress.com/politics/economics/tax-policy-and-the-economy-sanders -trump-stephanopoulos/

And Donald Trump, having entered an arena where he can't sue his opponents out of business, is losing it.

PS - very brief explanation by Sanders of the misconception of socialism being pushed by Trump and others who should already know better but can't shake the propaganda -conditioned knee jerk reaction to the term. Or do you think we should rely on Private fire and police services like those of the 19th century?

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posted October 19, 2015 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can cheer Sanders on, but even he knows he doesn't stand a chance.

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posted October 19, 2015 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CIA Debunks Gowdy’s Allegation That Clinton Email Contained Classified CIA Source

Oct 18, 2015

Press Release

Cummings Calls on Gowdy to Apologize to Clinton

WASHINGTON—Today, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, the Ranking Member of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, sent a letter to Chairman Trey Gowdy to correct the public record after the CIA debunked Chairman Gowdy’s accusation that Secretary Clinton sent an email containing "some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but human lives.”

The full letter is online here and as follows:

    Dear Mr. Chairman:

    On October 7, 2015, you sent me a 13-page letter making a grave new accusation against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Specifically, you accused her of compromising national security and endangering lives.

    The problem with your accusation—as with so many others during this investigation—is that you failed to check your facts before you made it, and the CIA has now informed the Select Committee that you were wrong. I believe your accusations were irresponsible, and I believe you owe the Secretary an immediate apology.

    It appears that your letter was rushed out to the press to counter the public firestorm caused by Republican Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s stark admission that Republicans are using millions of taxpayer dollars to damage Secretary Clinton’s bid for president. However, your letter only provided further evidence of this fact.

    In your letter on October 7, 2015, you stated that Secretary Clinton received an email from Sidney Blumenthal on March 18, 2011, that included the name of someone who purportedly provided information to the CIA. You asserted that this information was classified, arguing that Secretary Clinton “received classified information from Blumenthal—information she should have known was classified at the time she received it.” You then alleged:

    Armed with that information, Secretary Clinton forwarded that email to a colleague—debunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private email address.

    In your letter, you went to great lengths to highlight the gravity of your accusation, stating:

    This information, the name of a human source, is some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but human lives.

    To further inflate your claim, you placed your own redactions over the name of the individual with the words, “redacted due to sources and methods.” To be clear, these redactions were not made, and these words were not added, by any agency of the federal government responsible for enforcing classification guidelines.

    Predictably, commentators began repeating your accusations in even more extreme terms, suggesting in headlines for example that “Clinton Burns CIA Libya Contact.”

    Contrary to your claims, the CIA yesterday informed both the Republican and Democratic staffs of the Select Committee that they do not consider the information you highlighted in your letter to be classified. Specifically, the CIA confirmed that “the State Department consulted with the CIA on this production, the CIA reviewed these documents, and the CIA made no redactions to protect classified information.”

    Unfortunately, you sent your letter on October 7 without checking first with the CIA. Now that we have done so, we have learned that your accusations were incorrect.

    As a result of your actions, the State Department yesterday asked the Select Committee not to reveal the individual’s name publicly, not for classification reasons, but to protect the individual’s privacy and avoid bringing additional undue attention to this person.

    Unfortunately, the standard operating procedure of this Select Committee has become to put out information publicly that is inaccurate and out of context in order to attack Secretary Clinton for political reasons. These repeated actions bring discredit on this investigation and undermine the integrity of the Select Committee and the House of Representatives.

    Sincerely,

    Elijah E. Cummings
    Ranking Member

http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/cia-debunks-gowdy-s-allegation-that-clinton-email-contained-classified-cia

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posted October 19, 2015 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't think there would be any former Democratic-leaning Fed chairs that have made such drastic statements about their own party. That's a data-intensive job. You presumably have to know something to get into that position.

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posted October 19, 2015 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not cheering anyone on yet but encouraging you to leave the 50s behind 😉

The Repubs are doing a really good job of restoring Clinton's credibility but I am not casting my vote before the campaign gets under way. Bernie has some great ideas and I think he is more electable than the dimwit surgeon or Mr Toupee (America is a hellhole? Thats the spirit!..not) and it's kind of presumptuous to suggest that he agrees with your assessment of his chances, don't you think?

Whats really important about Bernie is he has revived people's interest in getting involved in how the country runs...and that is knocking on to interest in other arenas besides the White House.

Meanwhile can the Republicans even figure out who to make Speaker?

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