posted December 08, 2015 06:07 PM            

If I'm understanding this brouhaha correctly, Donald Trump wants to ban all Muslims from entering the United States.
However if by chance they are able to emigrate,
he is suggesting/promising (?) that we track (all?) Muslims whether they are American citizens or not.
(The San Bernardino incident has given credence to this issue)

I am most concerned that Donald Trump has no background with American History or Law.
It makes sense that this should be a prerequisite for the office of the President of the United States of America.

In my opinion half of the stuff he is suggesting is illegal and he does not appear to know/understand the Constitution of the United States.

Our glorious Country promises a better life for (all) freedom seekers.
One where we are free to practice our own religious beliefs without prejudice.

If we enact laws to ostracize, discriminate and expel Muslims then we are doing exactly what Uncle Adolf did to the Jews.

This is how that whole ugly incident (WW2) began.

The answer to this issue just may be better firearm laws. As it stands just about anyone can purchase a gun.

Jwhop

posted December 08, 2015 08:08 PM            

I HOPE I'm right when I say that I don't believe he meant that in a harmful way towards muslim 'individuals'... He's trying to gross damage-control 'terror'... (Not the people?)

BTW-- Republican Party (and Dems) is also "looking" for a way to shut The Trump down and wedge him out of their race. (They'll 'flame' this politically and use it as a game and opportunity to run him out).

Trying to run a country like you do a Business certainly does NOT "fit" what 'government' (or running a family at home) is about, either. A government is different than a Business.

Trump's reflecting the voice of general-overwhelm from all the media-stimulus(???), fatigue, and underlying unspoken shadow-fears that many folk with manners don't express (nor would act-upon either).

(I don't think he expected to be IN this race this long... It's been step by step going forward, but somehow inside me, I really don't think he expected to 'win' anything. It's been a sustained surprise?)

In a SIDEWAYS kind of way, I see most of what he's saying as 'actually' having a therapeutic and 'correcting' effect-- There's more Consciousness about Islam and the religion. He's putting to speech the fears that lay just-underneath conscious awareness.

For myself, I know that former President Jimmy Carter's work through The Carter Center REALLY played a HUGE part in enlightening my own misunderstanding about what happened at 9-11.

I had attended the ONLINE free webinar on June 27-29, 2013 on the role of Religion in advancing Women's Rights....

That seminar OPENED a whole NEW understanding for me of 'what' happened at 9-11, and the distinction between the terrorists and the islam/muslim religion.

I'm thinking that many here(US) are sooo darn tired of all the fighting and constant bickering!

In a ~way, this was the "Papa Trump" trying to put everything and anyone moving on the 'botheration' and "time-out" list.

It's his way of dealing with reality in an unsophisticated old-fashioned 'concrete' and limited hands-on ways. It makes "common-sense" if you're a family, or a smaller business.... but for a COUNTRY?? hmmmmm

I have the ability to argue BOTH or all sides of a situation. People 'usually' do things "for a reason"... and those reasons aren't always 'the apparent' one that people so readily-interpret. (I relied on that insight so many times in my life.)

I tried to do a post in DivDiv but after I finished, I deleted it because if someone didn't read the whole post 'in context' it could have been taken 'the wrong way'... I was just trying to offer INSIGHT into the mind-set of what Trump is trying to do. I think my OP may have been a 'disaster'... Don't know if I should have left it or not.

Takes skill to say a thing, without people misinterpreting. Like I say, I can see everyone's point of view, usually.

posted December 08, 2015 10:15 PM            

I just heard Rachel Maddow's theory that Trump may be sabotaging his campaign because he hadn't really taken serious mind that he 'could' win? He made a splash, but wasn't considering that he could 'possibly' actually get the 'job'!

This is precisely what I was sensing too, and wanted to say in my posts.

posted December 08, 2015 11:37 PM            

That said, I did come across this one that is directly relevant to this thread:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-comparing-donald-trump-to-hitler-makes-perfect-sense/

posted December 09, 2015 12:30 AM              

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Originally posted by mirage29:
I turned on television to listen to political news station.

I just heard Rachel Maddow's theory that Trump may be sabotaging his campaign because he hadn't really taken serious mind that he 'could' win? He made a splash, but wasn't considering that he could 'possibly' actually get the 'job'!

This is precisely what I was sensing too, and wanted to say in my posts.

You never know how things turn out sometimes!

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You "turned on the TELEVISION" to listen to political news station" ???

(All you get from TV is Spin & lies, ie a MIRAGE..)
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Donald Trump is just a "useful idiot".
He doesn't realise that of course, but his EGO just LOVES the attention & exposure..

posted December 09, 2015 02:04 AM            

Usually I roll my eyes at Hitler comparisons, because it's an overused and exaggerated insult. However in Trump's case he has targeted several ethnic and religious groups as the main cause for problems in the US, and has called for their deportation and banning any further immigration. That is a strategy Hitler used, starting with his divisive speeches. That was only the beginning, and the Germans didn't foresee how Hitler intended to implement his plan.

Trump does seem to be using this same campaign strategy....First make the populous feel like victims, single out specific groups of people to blame, and once power is granted...push your own selfish agenda with no regard for what effect it has on the lives of others. Trump may not be intending to kill, but his speeches suggest internment/concentration type camps, with the intention of deportation(at least). That is the last thing that the US needs, and it's also the ultimate goal of groups that wish to divide and weaken the US as a nation. Once again, divide and conquer.

posted December 09, 2015 09:17 AM            

Coming from TX, I understand the illegal immigration issue first hand. I agree that it is a huge problem. But Trump's comments about Mexicans being murderers and rapists proves that he is a racist. He is singling out people from specific religions and ethnic groups, and blaming them for problems in the US. This is the same exact strategy that Hitler used to gain power in Germany. I personally don't trust Trump, and I think his ego and his divisive speech will get the US into a lot of unnecessary conflicts both nationally and internationally.

posted December 09, 2015 10:54 AM            

This book describes the slow descent:
http://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/0226511928

IIRC, camps didn't even come up until after several Jews tried to flee Germany (I'm thinking of this ) and nation and nation (including the United States) refused to take them--and I think it was more ghettos and the like, more or less like the Japanese interment camps in the US (I'm not fully awake and I don't recall the specifics offhand). And even then the Final Solution wouldn't come until later.

Though me personally, I just find it almost impossible to take Trump seriously. I think he's play acting and has something other than politics on the brain. To me, he's essentially doing a "twerking Miley" that seems terrible but is a very calculated move, where people blow up over it yet the one offending people gets exactly what s/he is actually after (as opposed to what they say they're after). That is, he's not a fool, he's playing the American people for fools, and he doesn't intend to win because he has a different goal in mind (though the longer he stays the more I wonder if this time he's serious).

Nevertheless, I can see why comparisons are made given his over the top statements and offensive generalizations (which again, I think Trump does on purpose, which is why I call him a troll as I believe it's deliberate on his part and that he doesn't believe his own BS)...and he's tapped something primal, who knows where it could lead?

posted December 09, 2015 12:06 PM            

Trump isn't stupid. If he was, someone would have figured out a way to part him from his money by now.

The media is in full mudslinging mode. He's being parsed and taken in partial context. And he knows this and playing off of it.

His biggest obstacle to election isn't the American people, its the RNC. To that end, the more they're afraid, the better position he's in to negotiate a deal. And that's what Trump has always been good at.

Does he want to be president? I don't know yet. Perhaps he doesn't either...

posted December 09, 2015 01:21 PM            

Should I say Germans shouldn't be allowed to immigrate because this GermanAmerican acts like Hitler? He wont be able to run the country like one of his businesses and in fact his hate filled rhetoric is costing him business around the world. Dubai just banned his product. That is a lot of wealthy customers!

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posted December 09, 2015 08:24 PM            

Trump was the one who kept challenging President Obama over his birth-certificate, even after the issue was investigated and the certificate proven accurate.

I'd heard the originators of the Birth-Certificate issue talking with Bill Maher on his show Real-Time. These admitted that they had been "just joking" about the certificate, but continued to let it stand only because they enjoyed the attention they were able to stir.

There's a danger in all this....
Some Beautiful innocent TRUSTING American souls still hang on to "the joke" as some hard information.

Back to Trump...
I wasn't paying serious attention to him and kept hearing "humor" expressed in everything he said.

Some of the videos I watched today had called him a "buffoon." I mean, some of the standup comics use shocking-speech and images in order to entertain. Doing caricatures. Thought that this was what Trump was doing... But no. He's serious?
*JAWDROP*

Anyone running for President is applying for a SERIOUS Job. In past decades I've seen a few comedians run 'as a joke'... This has gone too far now. AND, even now there are persons who have declared-a-run who are NOT qualified for President as they weren't even born in the USA?

That's 'disrespectful' and wasting time, patience, and dollars of the American people. (And when I say American, I mean ALL of us-- not just a certain party that uses the word as their 'brand', okay?)

Everyone has a piece of the truth we need, but not everyone's willing to play it right.

posted December 10, 2015 03:55 PM            

Not to mention that his policy of suing everyone thwt criticizes him will not work against multiple countries around the world. If he is not intentionally posing to expose the mean underbelly of conservative America, heis still doing a very good job of it.

posted December 12, 2015 05:22 PM            

Just a couple of days ago, Trump said he'd issue an Executive Order to require the death penalty for all cases of killing a policeman. Hello? Learn a little about the difference between state and federal laws, what laws are already in place, and who actually makes the law.

There is no doubt but that Trump is appealing to the fascist (look up the definition if that seems too radical) tendencies in America. And he is deliberately inciting xenophobia, racial and religious hatred, and intolerance, which scares me. It's not just laughable anymore.

posted December 14, 2015 06:40 PM            

These shootings are increasing in frequency, and will probably continue to rise as long as more guns are being purchased. It's no coincidence that the US has the highest number of mass shootings, given the ease that guns can be purchased. More guns=more opportunities to shoot people. That's just common sense.

posted December 14, 2015 06:54 PM            

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There is no doubt but that Trump is appealing to the fascist (look up the definition if that seems too radical) tendencies in America. And he is deliberately inciting xenophobia, racial and religious hatred, and intolerance, which scares me. It's not just laughable anymore.

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posted December 14, 2015 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Be aware that Hitler banned private ownership of guns. That makes Obama more like Hitler than Trump. When Carter was President, he had many of the same ideas as Trump but about Iranians. Dems don't mention that. Now, I don't agree with Trump's idea in that respect, but pot calling the kettle black much?

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Obama never said anything about taking everyone's guns. Doing nothing is not going to stop these shootings. You are singling out 1 mass shooting that was terror related, but what about the 300+ that have happened this year on US soil that had nothing to do with terrorism? Most of these involved mentally ill people that had various reasons for killing innocent people. The vast majority were not politically motivated in any way. Many of these people were known to be mentally ill, yet purchased weapons and large amounts of ammunition legally. That's the problem!!! It may be a right as a citizen to arm ourselves, but we need more strict laws to prevent people that are likely to abuse this right. These types of laws already exist to prevent convicted felons from buying weapons. Of course with so many guns out there, they can easily acquire one, but it's a crime if they are caught with a gun. They lose that right to be armed, because they are more likely to abuse it.