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Topic: The Idiocy Of Alarmists Proved In One Paragraph!
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 68074 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
In the week prior to the administration signing what should constitute an international climate treaty, one think tank, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, was subpoenaed for casting doubt on the agreement’s associated science of climate catastrophe.As disturbing as such thuggery from state attorneys general would be in any case, the premise of the subpoena is faulty. The Competitive Enterprise Institute did not cast doubt on the dubious climate science. The actual data cast the doubt. The think tank and others have simply pointed out what the data show. It looks like thoughtcrime has now moved from George Orwell’s novel “1984” to the twisted reality of our judicial system. Pointing out facts should never be a real crime. The Heritage Foundation’s new Paris-bubble-popping science summary is also a case of letting the numbers tell a story. A story many never hear in the media-hyped spectacle that is international climate policy. For instance, the chart above shows reconstructed average world temperature data for the past 500,000 years. Depending on the magnification and size of your monitor, each pencil dot would span something on the order of 1,000 years. The myriad 10-degree Celsius temperature flips all happened before man-made carbon dioxide could have had any impact—the final temperature spike started at the end of the last ice age. Now see if you can follow this: The “science thought police” insist that even though none of the temperature variations for the first 499,950 years had anything to do with human activity, virtually none of the temperature increases of the past 50 years had anything to do with nature. Got it? A question some overzealous attorneys general might be asking right now is, “Where did this ‘denier’ data come from?” The answer is: the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Climatic Data Center website (to be very clear, it is part of the federal government). If those who merely point to data that are inconsistent with an imminent climate crisis are thought criminals, how much more subpoena worthy would be those who actually created the data? This expands the thoughtcrime conspiracy to an entirely new set of perps. Should the hyperventilating attorneys general subpoena the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in its entirety or just the researchers? If donors to think tanks are subpoenaed simply because the think tanks pointed to this data, should not the U.S. Treasury be subpoenaed for actually funding these doubt-creating data? In any event, it seems disingenuous to wave off huge past temperature changes as entirely natural while branding as science-denying fraudsters those who assert that natural forces are likely still to be playing a significant role. This is a problem for the U.N. Climate Agreement and its signers. If natural forces have played a significant role in the moderate and unsteady temperature increases of the past 60 years, then what’s the climate hysteria about? If there is no need for hysteria, there is no need for the Paris climate agreement. http://cnsnews.com/commentary/david-kreutzer/inconvenient-truth-liberal-climate-inquisition-cant-explain-past IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 68074 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 03, 2016 10:24 AM
This paragraph says it all:Now see if you can follow this: The “science thought police” insist that even though none of the temperature variations for the first 499,950 years had anything to do with human activity, virtually none of the temperature increases of the past 50 years had anything to do with nature. Got it? IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3499 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 05, 2016 03:06 PM
More money goes to fossil fuel companies than "green energy".. by a long shot. I agree we have only "helped" a current trend..and that solar farms (which benefit the abikity of GE et al to OWN the solar production) are travesties..but due to investment the solar tech has gone way past the need for those farms. Germany's existing roof tops are delivering huge amounts of power. You can now make solar window panes...I don't care for the scare tactics on EITHER side. Meanwhile both sides want to keep control of what Tesla illustrated decades ago can easily be delivered free to most everyone. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3499 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 05, 2016 04:02 PM
The other problem with this argument is we don't know what mechanisms drove those historical warmings. Just because people weren't around doesn't mean we are not a major factor in this one. IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 5077 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 24, 2016 04:36 AM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 68074 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 28, 2016 10:03 AM
Um, the biggest driver of climate is the Sun.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18142 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted June 02, 2016 01:21 PM
The biggest driver may be the sun, but the regulator of climate on Earth is the atmosphere. It's easy to see the impact of humans on the atmosphere just by looking at the sky or smelling the air in a crowded city. It works even better by climbing a hill and seeing the famous "gas bubble" surrounding that city. All those chemicals are going somewhere, namely down on us and everything else and up again.I think the fight for a cleaner earth can only produce innovation and ecology. In the process, former sources of energy and habits would need to be released. Something wrong with that? Another thing I like about it is that it makes you aware of the fact that we are all in the same boat, a pollution cloud in China turns into a Katrina and so on. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... LeeLoo's Esotericorner IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 5077 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 02, 2016 01:59 PM
Anybody know about James Lovelock? The BBC produced a series "Beautiful Minds" on scientists who have changed the world. Here's his episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqwZJDEZ9Ng Lovelock (a chemist) saw a haze hanging over his hometown and began measuring its chemical content. He discovered a high content of CFCs - the very first person to do so and it was his findings that resulted in a ban on CFCs which saved the ozone layer. Please watch Randall . IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 68074 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2016 03:32 PM
One volcanic eruption destroys more ozone than the entire time humans have been on the planet. Maybe we should ban volcanoes? The ozone is created by the Sun. It heals itself. I commend you on caring about the planet; however, you are being duped by a "green" movement where the leaders only care about money. Green, indeed! IP: Logged |
Delilah423 Knowflake Posts: 611 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 02, 2016 04:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: One volcanic eruption destroys more ozone than the entire time humans have been on the planet. Maybe we should ban volcanoes? The ozone is created by the Sun. It heals itself. I commend you on caring about the planet; however, you are being duped by a "green" movement where the leaders only care about money. Green, indeed!
So you think the leaders of the anti-science movement don't care about money? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 68074 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 03, 2016 09:28 AM
It's not anti-science. Those in favor of man-made global warming are using junk science. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3499 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 04, 2016 06:06 PM
SoRandall... I will assume that because there is already so much pollution you think smoking is totally harmless and indulge in it every chance you can get. Also gobble up as many other poisons as you can..right?IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 68074 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 05, 2016 11:10 AM
What does that have to do with anything? Mother Nature destroys the ozone as a matter of course. The Sun builds it right back up. Man's impact is negligible at best.IP: Logged |
Novabronte Knowflake Posts: 161 From: EU Registered: Nov 2015
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posted July 06, 2016 09:40 PM
It would be great if people engaged critical thinking, rather than believing everything they hear especially if its pushed by curious characters like Al Gore et al. CO2 emissions ? What a load of crap. There is no excess of CO2 in the air. Carbon Dioxide accounts for 0.037% of the atmosphere. One more time that's 0.037 % Carbon Dioxide is currently at 370ppm, for it to be dangerous it would have to be at 15,000ppm. This could not be reached even if every fossil fuel was burned. If CO2 goes under 150ppm the PLANTS will die. This means the forests will shrink, food supplies will diminish and life comes to a grinding halt. The rate plant life grows directly determines how much life this planet can support.
If we take a look at the formula for life itself : 6CO2 + 6H2O + sunlight = C6H12O6 + 6O2 so it takes 6 CO2 molecules to make one glucose molecule. Get this - for the majority of earth's history there has been more co2 in the air than there is today. http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Ca...s_climate.html Plants can absorb more sunlight if they have more CO2 available. Vegetation looses less water under higher co2 levels, meaning vegetation in drought prone areas will live longer and produce more. Use logic. Lower CO2 drastically and there will be no life on this planet. Thousands and thousands of studies show that higher levels of CO2 are good for plants. Many scientists believe plants still aren't getting enough CO2. A Russian study from 1961-1998 found that as carbon dioxide increased the forest size increased at the same rate. Pine trees grown for 2 years at 600ppm grow more than 200% faster compared to actual ppm level rates. Rice was shown to increase mass and use less water with higher co2 levels. Meaning the most important food in the world highly benefits from co2 increase. This also means that during times of drought as long as the co2 was high enough there wouldn't be as great of a shortage of this food thanks to the Industrial Revolution !!! When farmers, scientists, and people who own green houses want to grow larger plants they increase the amount of co2 to the plants. YES that's right. Just do a google search on greenhouses and learn how important carbon dioxide is for one. Lettuce has been shown to increase by up to 40% with an increase of carbon dioxide (550ppm), Tomatoes by 29% and the list goes on and on. If temperatures and co2 continue to increase Canada would see an increase of corn up to 186% and soybeans up to 157% between 2040-2069. Increased levels of co2 help plants by reducing dangerous pathogens/diseases. Cloud coverage affects temperature 100 times more than co2. If co2 doubles, cloud coverage would only have to increase 1% to counter it. This so called climate change was just THE excuse for carbon trading. Which by the way just means that if I produce less than whatever set quota then I can SELL my unused part to another who had gone over their limit. Where is the reduction ? Money gets moved and new taxes are paid. Here is an interesting link to a list of everything global warming is blamed for, brace yourself you'll be laughing for a month lol http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
Global warming ? Because of 0.006 deg C per year ? Peace to all. Nova
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 68074 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 07, 2016 08:34 AM
Brilliant.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8519 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 16, 2016 09:05 AM
The Marxist Messiah Obama: My energy policy will cause your electric rates to skyrocket.Hillary The Corrupt: We're going to put your coal mines out of business and coal miners out of jobs. July 15, 2016 Britain closes down global warming bureaucracy Thomas Lifson The almost unthinkable has happened. In a clear sign that the global warming fraud has peaked and is on the decline, an actual government agency has been abolished because it was dedicated to global warming. Andrew Follett of the Daily Caller writes: Britain’s new government abolished its Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) Thursday morning, ridding the country of its global warming bureaucracy. Officials stated that the DECC has been abolished and U.K.’s environmental policy is will be transferred to a new ministry called the Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy. Some former DECC’s functions will be outright abolished, while others will be handed back to the new ministry. Follett provides good background on the failures of green energy policy in Britain that have led to this rejection of the mission of the agency. The backlash against British wind power occurred when the country’s government was already forced to take emergency measures to keep the lights on and official government analysis suggests the country could have insufficient electricity on a windless or cloudy days to meet demand. Brownouts and blackouts caused by wind and solar power have already impacted the U.K. (snip) Government green energy taxes currently account for seven percent of the average household’s energy bill, according to the UK’s Office of Gas and Electricity Markets. (snip) Polling indicates that energy prices were so high that 38 percent of British households have cut back essential purchases, like food, to pay their energy bills. Another 59 percent of homes were worried about how they are going to pay energy bills. Governments needing to cut expenditures can find ample pickings in green energy subsidies and global warming bureaucracies. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/07/britain_closes_down_global_warming_ bureaucracy.html
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 68074 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2016 03:50 AM
Trump will reverse all this Al Gore nonsense. And Trump is accused of using fear? Where are the cities under water? Where is the scorching earth? No warming globally in 19 years. CO2 levels are catastrophically high, but where is the warming? Newsflash: CO2 is not a pollutant. It's a sign of a living planet rich with plant life. Voodoo science at its worst!IP: Logged |