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posted August 04, 2016 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately the Iranian people will probably never enjoy the money.

The country is ruled by disgusting Mullahs...disgusting as Warlord Bush and disgusting as racist and talker Trump.

Basically i would support the idea that the scum of the world beats themselves to death- however it would be us, the pepole.

I still don't get why so many people are sooo silly and immature. They would always point their fingers to the Middle East resp the Western countries ignoring hair-raisingly the crimes of their own governments

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posted August 04, 2016 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, so you support paying money to the number one nation of state sponsored terrorism? They will spend that money to kill innocent people from your own country and others. And yes, while the Liberal media will take mere words of Donald Trump for any little excuse to create a story (or simply make up one), Republicans will not let Obama get away with actions that cost Americans lives.

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posted August 04, 2016 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow, so you support paying money to the number one nation of state sponsored terrorism? They will spend that money to kill innocent people from your own country and others. And yes, while the Liberal media will take mere words of Donald Trump for any little excuse to create a story (or simply make up one), Republicans will not let Obama get away with actions that cost Americans lives.

haha, of course not. please look at my post right above your post "Unfortunately the Iranian people will probably never enjoy the money."
And see my statement about Mullahs- scum vs. scum

all i was trying to say: a loss of money WOULD be a wee compensation for the suffering U.S. forces caused and for the antique wealth and oil they stole- but again it's useless since it will not be spent for the people

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posted August 04, 2016 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow, so you support paying money to the number one nation of state sponsored terrorism?

i thought that's you guys and Saudi-Arabia
Iran is a nauseating nation (i am not talking about the people), no need for any discussion about that.

I mean the U.S. needs a lack of stability there- how else can they sell their weapons and get cheap oil to prevent the U.S. industry to collapse (even Trump did admit that years ago)?

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posted August 04, 2016 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wasn't addressing that to you. But thanks for clarifying that you don't support giving terrorists money to sponsor terrorism. I had a roommate who was Iranian. He is a great person. His family owns a business here. They are kind and very caring. I will tell some stories about him soon that will make you laugh. Good times! My point is that the problem isn't the Iranian people. The regime is the problem.

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posted August 04, 2016 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
I wasn't addressing that to you. But thanks for clarifying that you don't support giving terrorists money to sponsor terrorism. I had a roommate who was Iranian. He is a great person. His family owns a business here. They are kind and very caring. I will tell some stories about him soon that will make you laugh. Good times! My point is that the problem isn't the Iranian people. The regime is the problem.

yes, i know. I really f...hate the Mullahs- never ever i would support them

but i also think that the U.S. regime is the problem

Mullahs, Hezbollahi, Isis, Al quaida- they are all despicable terrorists
- however, i am of the opinion that the Western governments are filled up by hypocrism. They don't practice what they preach. They support war for selling weapons and oil- and then they would sell to their people that their military actions were actions for peace and people believe that and want to defend their home countries. Bullsh*t. It's all about money and power.

Look, you met that Iranian guy and you "know" me. I met people from all over the world incl most backward Muslims and Americans. and Africans, and Indians, and Filipinos and sorry, the only hateful people are people like the Mullahs AND Trump

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posted August 04, 2016 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump wants to protect American lives.

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posted August 04, 2016 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Trump wants to protect American lives.

That's what he is tying to sell you guys

the mullahs tell the same to Iranian people

Bullsh*t.

He wants to win the election and uses the anxieties of the people- also, he knows, that he would be needing oil & gas to make the American economy grow

The Mullahs are trying to sell their people that all Western people hate Muslims and want to see them dead, and that they want the oil only. etc.

Do you see a common ground?

Too bad that you can't understand neither German and Swedish. It's striking that Trump uses the same hatespeech, phrases, prejudices and anxieties as the righ-wing populists in Europe. Trump would have already been banned in Germany- and probably would be in prison
Do you guys really want to be supporters of right-wings and facists?

Also, i do not understand why people are afraid of other people? There are only 1% Muslims in the U.S. How many attacks did they committ?

There are BILLIONS of Muslims in this world- it's like that only 0.01% of them are terrorists.

We have been living with 4 millions Turks for decades- as far as i know not a single of them joined the Isis or something.


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posted August 04, 2016 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are the leading exporter of natural gas, and if we drill here, we don't need Middle East oil. America is rich with oil. Trump will be good for jobs, the economy, and protecting the homeland. Those are the top three concerns of voters. You know how America works. A party in the White House for two terms, and then like a pendulum, it swings to the other party.

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posted August 04, 2016 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We are the leading exporter of natural gas, and if we drill here, we don't need Middle East oil. America is rich with oil. Trump will be good for jobs, the economy, and protecting the homeland. Those are the top three concerns of voters. You know how America works. A party in the White House for two terms, and then like a pendulum, it swings to the other party.

I know- you don't have many opportunities: pestilence vs. cholera

But why do you still believe your politicians, particulary when they provide right wing speech?! I don't get that

So great- but why was Bush that much after oil? Even claiming that Saddam has huge weapons? For fun? For some reason or another the U.S. doesn't use its sources.

Protecting homeland? From what? Terrorist attacks? They started when Bush, when you guys, invaded the Middle East.

As far as i know you guys did committ a huge part of all military actions world wide.
Even the Mullahs didn't do so- Iran hasn't attacked anyone for 200 years.

Look how many military operations you did committ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations - of course it was always for the safety of mankind.

But Bush never found huge weapons in Iraq- but Guantanamo was created and many incidents like the Mahmudiya killings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings

why do you guys still believe in the decency and innocence of your government? Why no critics and trying other point of views?

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posted August 04, 2016 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism. They don't have to attack anyone directly. They fund it. And now, thanks to Obama and Hillary, they have much more money to do so. Bush acted on intelligence he received. I'm not blind to America's part in the Middle East, but they have been fighting with each other for millennia. That region has always been unstable.

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I hope you guys feel as much compassion for Abeer Hamza Al-Janabi, the rape victim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings

as you would for an American girl.

I hope you do. Don't you?

I am asking because all those Muslim haters and/or Trump supporters never express compassion or sympathy for the victims of U.S. soldiers....my disgusting experience

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posted August 04, 2016 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism. They don't have to attack anyone directly. They fund it. And now, thanks to Obama and Hillary, they have much more money to do so. Bush acted on intelligence he received. I'm not blind to America's part in the Middle East, but they have been fighting with each other for millennia. That region has always been unstable.

okay but what about the destroying, devastating effect your military operations had?

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posted August 04, 2016 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We aren't Muslim haters. And yes, I have sympathy for all rape victims. Those soldiers should be prosecuted. Trump didn't support the Iraq war, but Hillary voted for it. Hillary also took millions in donations from countries where marital rape is allowed and where a woman can't even report a rape without five male witnesses. No. I don't support the devastation we caused.

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posted August 04, 2016 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I seriously feel sorry for the U.S.

You only have warlady HIllary and hate speech talker Trump.

It's a tragedy!

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posted August 04, 2016 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both have low favorability ratings. It's a most unusual election.

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posted August 04, 2016 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow, so you support paying money to the number one nation of state sponsored terrorism?

No. But I support returning money that is not ours to its owner, particularly when we entered into an arbitration agreement in 1981 to do so if the Iran-United States Claims Tribunal determined it was a rightful claim. Which apparently they did.

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posted August 04, 2016 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We had to do an end around our own sanctions, it was in Swiss Francs, and it was airdropped in secret. And when you give money for hostages, it encourages them to take more hostages. If you give a terror state cash, they will spend the cash on terror activities, not on "infrastructure."

That's interesting.

I wonder why America's president would want to encourage more "terror" activity.

Why would he feed it?

He is either VERY STUPID, or VERY CALCULATING.

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Why on earth, anyone thinks that the next president will be any different I don't know.

Terror is clearly GREAT fraud. A creation of those in power to justify their existence.

And all this squabbling about the politics serves to keep the public busy and blind to the fact that their governments are on both sides of the war.

It really is time we withdraw our support from the whole charade. WE are the ones who fuel this. Without voters, the whole fraudulent system will collapse and we stand half a chance of creating a system that actually serves the people.

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posted August 04, 2016 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama is not calculating. Hillary is. Obama is a smart guy. He's an idealist. He's a big picture kind of guy. Hillary is only concerned about herself. That being said, Obama does some stupid things. He should have known this ransom deal would come out in the open, especially looking so bad from the circumstances of it. Maybe his heart was in the right place in wanting to rescue the hostages. But it only served to fund more terrorism and more hostage taking.

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posted August 04, 2016 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh dear god.

the $400 million was not some shaddy, behind the scene transaction. the white house was transparent about it in January 19th.

here's the white house briefing video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhOkUpvPqhw

i'll even be nice, and let you know it's @ 11:28 minute when they talk about this very $400 million 'mystery'

what's interesting though is that this was brought back once again by the wall street journal the other day. it just so happen, that the wall street journal is owned by -- Rupert Murdoch, who is good friends with Trump!

so the only pieces you have to connect there are the wall street journal, murdoch and trump.....

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posted August 04, 2016 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The original deal was for military equipment. It's the manner in which the money was paid to them that was shady (unmarked drop in cash). And the video confirmed that the payment coincided with the exact time the hostages were released. He didn't call it "ransom," but he said the two were related (released through diplomacy). It was also very revealing about hostage swaps. "Reciprocal humanitarian gestures"

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posted August 04, 2016 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A ransom by any other name...

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posted August 04, 2016 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The original deal was for military equipment. It's the manner in which the money was paid to them that was shady (unmarked drop in cash). And the video confirmed that the payment coincided with the exact time the hostages were released. He didn't call it "ransom," but he said the two were related (released through diplomacy). It was also very revealing about hostage swaps. "Reciprocal humanitarian gestures"

the US does not have any bank relations with Iran, since we don't have any relations with them for decades! we cannot write a check or wire the $400 million we OWED them, so that's why we gave them cash.

this is not some 'breaking news' randall. the white house, once again was very transparent about this back in January. why would the white house be transparent about this cash, when it's very clear that paying ransom is against the law ?? so there is no logic to the conspiracy.

the only positive thing about this, is that i can see you have a great sense of 'imagination' though

this will be my last point to a ridiculous topic!

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posted August 04, 2016 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, what i forgot to mention: Iran says it's the slander to call them supporters of terrorism since they fight that and as Shiites they are the No. 1 enemy of the Isis.
https://twitter.com/hassanrouhani?lang=de

Of course, I am no fan of Rouani...hahaha

Experts claim that Saudi Arabia is a huge supporter; however in turn Saudi Arabia claims to creating a military force against Isis.

And some say, that the Assassinators of the terrorist attacks, who grew up in Western countries, had been recruited by Western organizations which support terrorism since they profit a lot of it

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