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Randall
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posted August 13, 2016 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The health insurance exchanges that are the beating heart of Obamacare are on the edge of collapse, with premiums rising sharply for ever narrower provider networks, non-profit health co-ops shuttering their doors, and even the biggest insurance companies heading for the exits amid mounting losses. Even the liberal Capitol Hill newspaper is warning of a possible “Obamacare meltdown” this fall.

Three states – Alaska, Alabama, and Wyoming – are already down to just a single insurance company, as are large parts of several other states, totaling at least 664 counties.

UnitedHealth is pulling out completely, Humana is pulling out of 88 percent of counties it was in, and last weak Aetna strongly suggested it will be exiting, too, unless it gets bribed to stay with a huge, annual infusion of direct corporate bailout payments from taxpayers.

Dealing with the wreckage will be at the top of the agenda for the new president and Congress next year, and their options will be limited – especially if, as appears likely, we will continue to have divided government. Most Democrats would prefer moving toward a totally government-run system while Republicans continue to favor repeal.

The most likely outcome, then, is the muddled middle, keeping gravely ill Obamacare on life support, with the major policy fight being over the extent to which taxpayers should be forced to provide billions in direct corporate bailout cash infusions.

Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini was pretty blatant in a recent interview with Zachary Tracer of Bloomberg.

Here’s the key part:

“Rather than transferring money among insurers, the law should be changed to subsidize insurers with government funds, Bertolini said. ‘It needs to be a non-zero sum pool in order to fix it,’ Bertolini said. Right now, insurers ‘that are less worse off pay for those that are worse off.’”

In other words: everybody is losing money, so taxpayers need to pick up the tab.

The Obama administration is already playing fast and loose with the law to shovel as many bailout bucks to insurers as they can – on top of Obamacare’s huge subsidies to lower income consumers and a penalty tax on people who don’t buy in. They shortchanged taxpayers by $3.5 billion that, contrary to law, they sent to insurance companies instead. And their legal posture in a $5 billion lawsuit to contravene a funding restriction expressly enacted by Congress to prevent a bailout via the so-called risk corridor program amount to a promise that they will somehow get them paid in the future.

Democrats will likely support legalizing these payments and authorizing even larger direct corporate bailouts on an ongoing basis as a way to keep insurance companies in the Obamacare exchanges and avoid admitting failure.

Republicans will likely be attacked as saboteurs for resisting bailout payments, but that misses the point. Direct corporate welfare to bribe companies to participate in a poorly designed program is throwing good money after bad, masking rather than fixing problems while the cost to taxpayers climbs into the stratosphere.

We won’t be able to get to a real solution until we acknowledge that Obamacare is too rigidly structured and regulated to offer products people actually want, and needs to be reformed or replaced with genuine, functioning markets that give us a much wider variety of plans with different benefit packages, provider networks, and payment structures.

Before that can happen, Obamacare supporters need to be held accountable for the law’s manifest failures – not permitted to paper them over with billions more of our tax dollars.
http://cnsnews.com/commentary/phil-kerpen/taxpayers-hook-obamacare-exchanges-near-edge-collapse

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posted August 14, 2016 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds about right.

I don`t know if it is just MI or all but if you have the "opportunity" to purchase insurance through your employer, you can not use the gov. sites to purchase your insurance. Even tho your employers insurance is much more costly, you can`t use Obamacare to reduce your costs.
We pay about $200 more through the employer than the Mi Health care insurances. After Obamacare was instituted, we have seen our ins. jump $110 a week more.
How does this help middle class America??
This needs changed to reflect the ability to purchase the least expensive insurance.

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posted August 14, 2016 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And if that weren't insane enough, check this out. If your employer has a plan, you have to get it--even though you are fully insured with Medicare and have a Medicare supplement!

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posted August 15, 2016 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did not know that. They have you coming and going


I realize, by now, it can`t be scrapped but it certainly needs gutted and reworked.

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posted August 16, 2016 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's from a real live example. My mom's neighbor wanted me to find a way to force his employer to stop withholding the money. Plus, his medications used to be only $4 a month, and now they are almost $400! The pharmacist said it shows him as having insurance when they look him up on the system, so no medicare discount. How does that help the little guy?

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posted August 16, 2016 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is one of Obamas "glitchs"

Aetna pulled out of 11 of the state health care exchanges this week because of the high costs/too many ill people climbing aboard. That leaves 3 states with them. What happens if all but one or two pull out?? Exorbant unaffordable health care.
It has spiralled out of control.

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posted August 16, 2016 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's on a death spiral and is collapsing under its colossal weight. It's too far gone to be saved.

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posted August 16, 2016 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Novabronte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Something for you Randall...

Check ICD 9E 978 section of Obamacare. It is the section titled "Legal Execution".
And while at it check HR 6566.

US government ordered 30,000 gillotines.
and 600 million hollow bullets ?? what are hollow bullets ?

Edit : sorry for wrong icon, i didnt mean smiley

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posted August 17, 2016 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A hollow-point bullet is an expanding bullet that has a pit or hollowed out shape in its tip often intended to cause the bullet to expand upon entering a target in order to decrease penetration and disrupt more tissue as it travels through the target. It is also used for controlled penetration, where over-penetration could cause collateral damage (such as aboard an aircraft). In target shooting, they are used for greater accuracy and reduction of smoke, fouling, and lead vapor exposure, as hollow point bullets have an enclosed base while traditional bullets have an exposed lead base.

Hollow points are designed to increase in diameter once within the target, thus maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock, and to remain inside the target, thereby transferring all of the kinetic energy to the target (whereas some fraction would remain in the bullet if it passed through instead). Both of these goals are meant to maximize stopping power. Jacketed hollow points (JHPs) or plated hollow points are covered in a coating of harder metal (usually a copper alloy or copper coated steel) to increase bullet strength and to prevent fouling the barrel with lead stripped from the bullet. The term hollow-cavity bullet is used to describe a hollow point where the hollow is unusually large, sometimes dominating the volume of the bullet, and causes extreme expansion or fragmentation on impact.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet

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posted August 20, 2016 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aetna, Humana, United Healthcare are now all out.

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