posted September 22, 2016 01:20 PM            

Tulsa protests peacefully while Charlotte erupts in violence.

Is it the release vs non release of the video cams?

Transparency is vital but is it good cause to show the families deceased loved ones last moments?

*This is a very sensitive subject and may we be respectful in our replies.

posted September 22, 2016 02:23 PM            

Trump Proposes Reinstating Stop And Frisk

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Trump replied that he “would do stop and frisk,” a practice heavily championed by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), who is now a prominent Trump supporter.

Trump’s claim that “in New York City, it was so incredible the way it worked” isn’t quite accurate. The tactics used there have been broadly condemned for disproportionately targeting blacks and Latinos while only incrementally reducing crime.

It seems unlikely Trump’s endorsement of such practices will help the nominee’s standing with black voters.

In 2013, a federal judge ruled the practice was being used unconstitutionally in New York, calling it a “policy of indirect racial profiling” because the New York City Police Department disproportionately targeted black and Latino men during routine traffic stops. In her ruling, Judge Shira Scheindlin wrote that stop and frisk was “a demeaning and humiliating experience” for communities of color.

“No one should live in fear of being stopped

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What was Trump thinking...
This would not have prevented the shootings nor prevent future shootings > It is not only unconstitutional but the stats are ugly.

NYPD Stop And Frisks: 15 Shocking Facts About A Controversial Program

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/13/nypd-stop-and-frisks-15-shocking-facts_n_1513362.html

posted September 22, 2016 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Let's call Charlotte what it really is. It wasn't a protest. It was a riot.

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OK, why tho. What is the difference between the cities?

posted September 23, 2016 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Transparency seems to be the key in the publics reaction.

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I think that the difference is in the transparency. In Tulsa there is video evidence, which was seen shortly after the shooting by millions. People can clearly see with their own eyes how the situation unfolded, even though the police are trying to spin it in a way that makes the shooting justifiable.

In Charlotte there are discrepancies over what happened, and the police are refusing to release the body cam and dash cam footage.

The Police Chief said this in a Washington Post article yesterday...

“Transparency is in the eye of the beholder,” Putney told reporters, adding: “If you think I’m saying we should display a victim’s worst day for public consumption, that is not the transparency I’m speaking of.”

Putney said that the department would release the police video only “when we believe it is a compelling reason” and that the footage — which, he noted, doesn’t definitively show Scott pointing a gun — probably would not do much to calm the city anyway.

Given the contradictory witness statements and the department's refusal to release the footage, it gives the appearancce of a cover up. I'm curious what is the point of having body cameras if the footage is kept hidden? Or even worse when the footage is missing, which has happened numerous times in recent months.

I think that one thing that will make a difference is allowing an outside jurisdiction to investigate. Too often the department does their own "investigating", and finds no wrong doing on the part of the officers involved.

posted September 23, 2016 01:50 PM            

The police are screaming drop the gun, and his wife keeps screaming that he doesn't have a gun, don't shoot.

In her video it appears that the black object shown in still photos may be one of the officers' gloves that he dropped. The police were saying that it was a gun, proving that he was armed. The fact that the police are refusing to release footage is very suspicious.

posted September 23, 2016 04:55 PM            

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In her video it appears that the black object shown in still photos may be one of the officers' gloves that he dropped. The police were saying that it was a gun, proving that he was armed. The fact that the police are refusing to release footage is very suspicious.

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I saw the vid and totally agree.
It may be any sort of item as it isn`t clear from the photo.

They also have allowed the officers to view the cam/video. This is highly suspicious and doubley so as the public can`t view them.

Something stinks and I seriously believe this is the very difference between tulsa and Charlotte.

posted September 23, 2016 11:28 PM            

The victim's blood and other DNA was also found on the gun...which was loaded.

posted September 24, 2016 03:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
This just in: Many of those arrested were not from the state of NC.

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posted September 24, 2016 03:59 AM            

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They will release the authentic video. They don't want it to contaminate the investigation if there's a jury pool.

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Not to mention, the chief of police mentioned that by releasing the video, it could make things worse than they already are. I don't think it's such a bad thing that he may be trying to prevent the city from being torn apart by riots.

What people are also forgetting is that the case has already been turned over to the state-level police. Which means it's the state that's telling him to not release the video, which makes sense. Releasing potential evidence (for whatever outcome) in the middle of an investigation is generally not a smart move.

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Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Kerr Putney told Fox News' Megyn Kelly on "The Kelly File" that the decision to release the video was not up to him, but added "I think [releasing the footage] is probably the better option right now."

Putney said that local police were no longer leading the investigation into Tuesday's shooting and the decision to release the footage rested with the State Bureau of Investigation.

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posted September 24, 2016 04:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Let's call Charlotte what it really is. It wasn't a protest. It was a riot.

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Yep.

When people end up getting shot and dying in the streets...it's not a protest.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103632412.html

Same thing with buildings and stores being destroyed, fires started and the looting that occurred.

posted September 24, 2016 09:04 AM            

This time is was a rioter/so called protestor on rioter/so called protestor shooting. But, that's not the shooting the lunatic press is obsessing over.

A black felon gets shot by a black officer while holding a loaded pistol police warned to..."DROP THE GUN"..at least 10 times and the lunatic press obsesses. They don't obsess over the other black rioter/protestor getting shot and killed by another black rioter/protestor.

Neither does the lunatic press obsess over the more than 3,000 citizens of Chicago who were shot and killed in Chicago since Obama began infesting the White House and about 75% of those murdered citizens were black and shot by blacks. It you asked the lunatic political activist press to name one of those murdered black citizens of Chicago, they would be struck dumb and try to change the subject. More than 3600 people have been shot in Chicago this year. About 1500 were killed. The vast majority were black and shot by black perpetrators but that's nothing for the political activist press to obsess over. Some lives are just more valuable than others..to the faux journalists in the activist press. Obviously, those shot by police officers are more valuable lives and worthy of press obsession.